RN BBs - HE meta sucks!!!

[1MajorKoenig]

Short and sweet - we already had to Digest some really stupid design choices in this great game: 

 

- a "good year" for carriers

- bow on / reverse paddling

- Fantasy fleets 

- BB invasion

- high Tier camping

- Radio Position Edited 

 

...and most of us did survive - as there were still lots of fun parts 

 

But honestly - HE spamming battleships left, right and Center just SUCK!!!!

 

It is not fun, it is not engaging it is just dull Point and click (I am not even talking OP - just plain Edited). How in hell did anyone think this would be a good idea?

 

How are you guys enjoying the HE-BB meta? 

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to swearing. 

[aboomination]

My Zao looks kinda pathetic now...nuff said 

[viceadmiral123]

I love it.

[wilkatis_LV]

Don't like every potato spamming HE? Say ty to CCs who spent a lot of time talking about how good the RN BB HE is, it's a direct result from that. Pretty much the only thing all the CCs focused on.

 

Anyway, all I can say to people spamming HE with BBs (including RN ones) - learn to aim and start using AP. But hey, CCs aren't interested to actually educate the potato part of the community, who needs to teach them the basics of the game, right?

[bushwacker001]

32 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

it is just dull Point and click

 

??? Isn't that the same as firing AP from a BB, and every other ship?

 

Personally I like it, especially in the Orion which is pretty unbeatable for me at the moment (18 battles, 17 wins)  If opposing BB's repair their fire within a second of it starting then more fool them...they shall be punished 

[SV_Kompresor]

What's wrong with fantasy fleets

[1MajorKoenig]

3 minutes ago, bushwacker001 said:

 

??? Isn't that the same as firing AP from a BB, and every other ship?

 

Personally I like it, especially in the Orion which is pretty unbeatable for me at the moment (18 battles, 17 wins)  If opposing BB's repair their fire within a second of it starting then more fool them...they shall be punished 

 

With AP at least it matters what part of the ship you hit and if the target is angling.

[bushwacker001]

Just now, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

With AP at least it matters what part of the ship you hit and if the target is angling.

 

Yep, if it's angling, fire HE 

[jss78]

Yeah, it does suck, and it's not even terribly fun as the player doing the HE spamming. It's just ... uninteresting. It's like being back in those Tier 2 cruisers we started in.

 

My two favourite RN BB's are the Warspite and Hood. Nice, robust, and well balanced ships, and far more interesting to play.

 

 

[Reaper171]

So you basically want BB fights to turn into AP only bow on fights? Where Yammy will always win because its the only one that can truly penetrate bows?

Its not RN BBs you hate, its the fire mechanic - stop using them as a scapegoat, do you [edited] and moan on the forums when 1 citadel takes 1/4 of your hp? which compared to fire damage is not healable?

[Capra76]

29 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Don't like every potato spamming HE? Say ty to CCs who spent a lot of time talking about how good the RN BB HE is, it's a direct result from that. Pretty much the only thing all the CCs focused on.

 

But then they focussed on it because it is so strong.

[Exocet6951]

1 minute ago, Reaper171 said:

So you basically want BB fights to turn into AP only bow on fights? Where Yammy will always win because its the only one that can truly penetrate bows?

Its not RN BBs you hate, its the fire mechanic - stop using them as a scapegoat, do you [edited] and moan on the forums when 1 citadel takes 1/4 of your hp? which compared to fire damage is not healable?

 

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No, it's not the fire mechanic I hate, it's testing the limits of said fire mechanics by introducing a fire chance so high that a single salvo can easily give two fires.
And you might also notice that citpens aren't exactly popular either, but at least there's a defense for that (for some ships): angling.

You can't angle against 9-12 shells with 40% fire chance.
Cherry on top of the cake, BBs are the only ones capable or repairing fire damage below tier9, so double/triple fire on a cruiser or DD is a death sentence.

[iJoby]

59 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

just dull Point and click

How is this possible, so the person firing doesn't need to aim, take into consideration distance, what angle you are at, speed you are doing, BUT NO, Just point and Click!!!! amazing ships

[1MajorKoenig]

Just now, iJoby said:

How is this possible, did you mean aim, take into consideration distance, what angle you are at, speed you are doing, BUT NO, Just point and Click!!!! amazing ships

 

Not sure if I get you right - you think shooting HE takes enough / the right amount of skill?

[Kartoffelmos]

1 minute ago, Exocet6951 said:

You can't angle against 9-12 shells with 40% fire chance.
Cherry on top of the cake, BBs are the only ones capable or repairing fire damage below tier9, so double/triple fire on a cruiser or DD is a death sentence.

 

The sad part is that the BBs in question never needed a high fire chance: their HE shells are dealing enough damage as it is. I mean, the selling argument for the HE performance was that the RN BBs must have something to counter angled ships, but why do they need an absurdly high fire chance to do that? Isn't good HE damage and decent accuracy enough?

[iJoby]

1 minute ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

you think shooting HE takes enough / the right amount of skill?

So all cruisers and DD's that fire HE have no skill?

anyone that fires any shell at the enemy will need to adjust, you cant just point and click

 

[1MajorKoenig]

19 minutes ago, iJoby said:

So all cruisers and DD's that fire HE have no skill?

anyone that fires any shell at the enemy will need to adjust, you cant just point and click

 

 

Ok then to explain as you apparently misunderstood me on purpose.

 

HE is an artificial mechanic to give low caliber guns a fair chance. Not the BBabies

[Reaper171]

30 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

...
No, it's not the fire mechanic I hate, it's testing the limits of said fire mechanics by introducing a fire chance so high that a single salvo can easily give two fires.
And you might also notice that citpens aren't exactly popular either, but at least there's a defense for that (for some ships): angling.

You can't angle against 9-12 shells with 40% fire chance.
Cherry on top of the cake, BBs are the only ones capable or repairing fire damage below tier9, so double/triple fire on a cruiser or DD is a death sentence.

 

Most cruisers will get citadel'd via bow by a battleship, whats the difference between 12k citadel damage, or 12k fire damage over time that can be mitigated with captain skills etc?

Fun fact - just got hit in my conqueror from a Yammy, i was bow on to him and he still did 20k ap damage which is 1/4 of the conqueror's life. The conqueror's armor is very questionable but people cant seem to get over the high fire chance on her guns.

[Ferry_25]

Evolving slowly towards fire prevention specs. I must admit the meta has bored me quite a bit with the RN HE spam. But in return I am LMAO to the other line BB's who are copying that behaviour and staying away from their trusted AP. Granted: in some situations HE is a viable option for a BB: when a Yama is bow tanking you fe and you're not in one. Or if it's an endgame with only DD's left. Yes AP can hurt but HE is still the pref ammo to waterrats. But other than that? I've had hilarious moments... Oh shoot... I'm full broadside to that BB and he shot at me. Get ready for the triple citadel guys.... "the ship is on fire!"  Hahahaha!!!

[Exocet6951]

12 minutes ago, Reaper171 said:

 

Most cruisers will get citadel'd via bow by a battleship, whats the difference between 12k citadel damage, or 12k fire damage over time that can be mitigated with captain skills etc?

Fun fact - just got hit in my conqueror from a Yammy, i was bow on to him and he still did 20k ap damage which is 1/4 of the conqueror's life. The conqueror's armor is very questionable but people cant seem to get over the high fire chance on her guns.

 

I really don't understand the point of your line of reasoning here...
Citpens hurt, so you're not actually angry about RN BB HE ?

 

Err...what?
I don't fundamentally dislike either mechanic, I just don't like obvious abuses of those mechanics.

 

It's no different then most things in life really. I don't dislike alcohol (quite the opposite), but I do dislike the obvious abuse of someone chugging a bottle of vodka then puking in my shoes.
I'm not mad at the booze, I'm mad at the guy.
 

[Reaper171]

Oh no, i find citadel's and fire equally frustrating, i just dont like people spamming the forums with *Nerf specific line*

[RUSSIANBlAS]

The HE meta is actually quite funny as you get HE spammed by other nation's BBs too which makes no sense...

 

Like being spammed by USN BB with HE at 3km whilst in a Cruiser when the guy could basically nuke you in one click 

[eliastion]

1 hour ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Don't like every potato spamming HE? Say ty to CCs who spent a lot of time talking about how good the RN BB HE is, it's a direct result from that. Pretty much the only thing all the CCs focused on.

 

Anyway, all I can say to people spamming HE with BBs (including RN ones) - learn to aim and start using AP. But hey, CCs aren't interested to actually educate the potato part of the community, who needs to teach them the basics of the game, right?

Wait, why is it CCs fault? They just highlighted the strong points of the ships - and HE is certainly a strong point of these. I'm at KGV now and let me tell you - while AP is still the ammo of choice against (heavy) cruisers, HE does much more consistent damage against pretty much everything else. It's not CCs advertising HE that got it so popular - it's the HE being so powerful. When you add the consistency (even if AP would be better, HE is usually going to be good enough) and the fact that it's just plain easier to use HE (and most players aren't exactly masters at AP usage)? It's no wonder HE-spamming BBs are so common now...

[aboomination]

On 9/24/2017 at 9:12 PM, bushwacker001 said:

 

??? Isn't that the same as firing AP from a BB, and every other ship?

 

Personally I like it, especially in the Orion which is pretty unbeatable for me at the moment (18 battles, 17 wins)  If opposing BB's repair their fire within a second of it starting then more fool them...they shall be punished 

Oh, you're such pro, much wow...even if they don't use DC on the first fire they will be Edited .

Fun fact: They nerfed Zao, now we have the Conqueror which is much better than the pre-nerf Zao. So spent your free xp now!

 

ONLY positive thing: A lot of BB (non brit) shoot HE, which is good for cruiser survivability.

I don't play the brits (currently at tier 7) because the concept is just stupid.

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to swearing. 

[1MajorKoenig]

And it isn't even about OP/UP here.

 

It is just dumb, annoying and NOT fun