IJN Musashi on the way?

[CptMinia]

https://worldofwarships.asia/en/news/common/latestnews-tgs2017/

 

I'll let you folks make your own theories. I just hope I can get my hands on her.

[aboomination]

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"Aside from annoucing this exciting collaboration, the arrival of a certain Battleship was teased on stage..."

 

Well, that's quite obvious...but it's the asian server.

[Nishi_Kinuyo]

[aboomination]

2 minutes ago, Nishi_Kinuyo said:

1.500.000 free xp 

 

Spoiler

Just guessing

 

[SmartassNoob]

They better not give it any fictional downgrades that would turn it into a tier 9.

 

• The Yamato class never got an armor upgrade.
• They never got their fire control systems upgraded.
• The only upgrade they ever got only removed 2 of the large secondary turrets (from the sides) and replaced them with a large number of AA guns.

The in-game Yamato is the upgraded 1944 version. For the sake of variety, Musashi should be the 1942 version.

[Aotearas]

I find the Musashi to be a delicate topic.

 

On one hand, of course, I'd love to see her ingame, who wouldn't? On the other hand, how? We already have the Yamato. A gameplay-clone of the Yamato at tier X would be simply superfluous.

Make it a premium? What's the point of the Yamato then when the Musashi presumably earns better credits AND could switch captains around freely. Plus it would devaluate the permanent camouflage available for the Yamato, which would (rightfully imo) get some people who bought it for the Yamato up in arms when suddenly there's a premium version of the same ship doing everything but essentially better.

 

Downtiering the Musashi to tier IX to have her compete with the Missouri? I pity the tier VIIs that are going to see 460mm guns. Even with tweaking stats like decreasing her RoF that would still be a mess to try and balance due to the sheer advantage of the 460mm overmatching capabilities.

 

An unlockable theme for people to put on their Yamato akin to a permanent camouflage to change the Yamato's visuals to represent the Musashi is about the only thing I could think of that doesn't end in a nasty headache.

[Tungstonid]

18 minutes ago, SmartassNoob said:

They better not give it any fictional downgrades that would turn it into a tier 9.

 

 

I hope they don't give her fictional 40 cm main guns just because the 46 cm main guns were designated as 40 cm/45 Type 94 for secrecy reasons...

But if they don't it will be a Yamato with worse AA on tier 9. I doubt they will release it as a tier 10 because of their "We don't want to make tier 10s buyable" policy.

 

But somehow I feel they should balance the calibre.

[waxx25]

It will be interesting to see how WG introduces her. From the little I know this ship was a clone of the Yamato (or vice versa, I forget which was built first)

Either way I look forward to it.

[Aotearas]

4 minutes ago, waxx25 said:

It will be interesting to see how WG introduces her. From the little I know this ship was a clone of the Yamato (or vice versa, I forget which was built first)

Either way I look forward to it.

 

Yup. A quick look-up on the interwebz show the ship essentially developed in tandem with the Yamato.

 

Technically they could go for an earlier build which included two additional 3x155mm wingturrets (one per side) at the expense of some AA, but that's the only feasible change I know (and still very much a 99% clone of the Yamato, she had the same original armament before they wisened up and put more AA on both of them) they could do without going full fantasy territory.

[waxx25]

What i would like to see is a split of the japanese BB tree, like they did with the khaba on the russian line. The variety of equal tier ships is a bit low IMO. I would love to see some more variety. 

The American and Japanese lines have plenty of real and proposed BB to expand.

[PseudoMi]

I am happy to hear about Musashi but very sad about that hint that they don't want to make her T10. For many reasons already discussed on the forum.

[elblancogringo]

Well, it would be easy to implement Musashi as a tier 10. Just add another arrow from last hull of Izumo to not only Yamato but to Musashi. Then add [insert absurd amount of free xp here] to unlock it. So we have the Musashi as a premium tier 10, but with the only possibility to have it beeing a prior unlock of izumo, preventing any inexperienced player to buy it, and letting 460mm guns only a tier 10 feature.

Everybody happy!

Players, who have a premium alternative to Yamato, and WG, with the absurd amount of money they will earn with this ship

[WolfGewehr]

Well, for tier 7 BBs 460'ers wouldn't really bring nothing new, as

 

25mm * 14,3 = 357,5mm, so any gun with higher caliber than that can already overmatch their bows.  Cruisers? "Basic" 406/410 pen/overmatch enough already, so just can't see that 460 would really bring massive difference here. Ofc, I don't remember every armorplate thickness ingame so I can't quickly say if there would be ship(s) with a lot of 32mm plates, which would become (again) vulnerable.

 

 

(Ok, I am a bit biased when it comes to 460'ers facing T7; +/- 3 MM was the state when I learned the game so thus I personally don't mind it really if 460'ers can face T7 again.)

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Imho Musashi should be something else than a silvership but what?  For alternative IJN BB lines there is already Number 13 class as a TX candidate.  Smaller design of A-150 could also make it as a TX BB, though she would be just a BB wrecker as her 510'ers are a bit overkill for anything lesser armored. Also, only 6 main guns would make her DPM a lot less.

 

(Original A-150 is completely T11 material with 8-9x 510, 30kn and 91.000t  )

(Btw, isn't GK some sort of H-42 hybrid with Rasshian archives^TM turrets? Then she is also around 90.000t. So the displacement wouldn't be much of a problem, but 8-9x 510 in a 30kn platform would be )

 

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34 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

 

Yup. A quick look-up on the interwebz show the ship essentially developed in tandem with the Yamato.

 

Technically they could go for an earlier build which included two additional 3x155mm wingturrets (one per side) at the expense of some AA, but that's the only feasible change I know (and still very much a 99% clone of the Yamato, she had the same original armament before they wisened up and put more AA on both of them) they could do without going full fantasy territory.

 

As a tiny note, Musashi had "only" 400mm main belt (instead of 410mm). Don't remember if there were much other differences between the sisters, which would have impact in game. But tbh, that 10mm difference in thickness makes also zero difference, as Yamato class was designed to have an immunity zone against her own guns (aka the engineers saw that they could reduce the thickness without affecting the designed protection). Side armor was designed to be able to resist the kinetic energy of an 46cm shell from ranges 20 000m and beyond. Deck was designed to withstand penetration as following:

 

- 46cm shells from distance of 30 000m  (so an immunity zone between 20km-30km roughly saying)

- AP bomb needs to be (at least) 1000kg of mass, and to be dropped from height of 3400m or more

 

[Source for above is Anatomy of the ship: Battleships Yamato and Musashi by Janusz Skulski and Stefan Draminski]

 

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49 minutes ago, Tungstonid said:

 

I hope they don't give her fictional 40 cm main guns just because the 46 cm main guns were designated as 40 cm/45 Type 94 for secrecy reasons...

 

 

Not giving her 460'ers would be heresy that is beyond every possible limit!

 

 

 

Overall, I'd like to see her as TX. Being a tier lower than her sister is pretty hard to justify. Especially these days as carriers are pretty much extinct

 

 

[Ferry_25]

The code for the flag doesn't work for us. So save the trouble to try...

[Affeks]

If Musashi is tier 9 then I will give it a thought

 

but as I already have Yamato I have no reason to care if its tier 10

[Major_Damage225]

Split the IJN BB line at nagato, one line goes to amagi, izumo and yamato, the other goes to one of the kongo/fuso replacements by fujimoto or hiraga (give this one a brawling capability because of its secondary arrangment) 

(this one would be interesting due to the wierd secondary layout), then it would go to a guessing upgraded tosa to fit her into tier 9 (2.3 rpm on its 410's), and then finnaly it would end at IJN Musashi. 

 

[shinegrog]

^^^^^now that idea i like very much.  

Can i just ask i had thought WG had said no t10 premiums > and only yammy would ever have those guns in game, so how do they balance that statement vs this news we are getting her sister down the road.

correct me if im wrong but im sure they said this.

[Philipp_ab_exterminatore]

Musashi would be amazing but as stated above a linespilt would be best in my opinion .

Oh i also hope to 1day see tier 10 PVE missions with an A-150 as a main opponent in 1 of them.

[RAHJAILARI]

Well, perhaps they COULD release Musashi in its original configuration, as a secondary build with the uber-nuke 12*155mm secondary armament and consequently bit less AA than Yamato.

[Tungstonid]

I am not sure whether Musashi is justified as a tier 10 for the normal tech tree since we already have the Yamato. I mean, you basically have the same ship as a top tier goal for both lines then, apart from the possibility to make her the 1942 version. But since WG wants to have every line (and sub-branch) something special I doubt it. Unless they give her something else which makes her distict from her sister. Some new gimmick we all love. I want my 46 cm DP guns.

 

1 hour ago, RAHJAILARI said:

Well, perhaps they COULD release Musashi in its original configuration, as a secondary build with the uber-nuke 12*155mm secondary armament and consequently bit less AA than Yamato.

 

But would that be feasible? Smaller calibre guns aside, you basically have the same ship with 4x3 155mm guns and 6x2 127mm DP guns vs 2x3 155 guns and 12x2 127mm DP guns. 155mm turrets might be harder to incapacitate and might have a higher fire chance and damage but they also have a slower rate of fire, are fewer in numbers and - most importantly - they are NOT DP guns. The question is whether or not the 155mm turrets make a significant difference as secondary armament. As far as I can see, they don't so you are stuck with a Yamato with on-par or even worse secondary armament and worse AA. Additionally a 1942 version would also mean less AA guns of smaller calibres.

[RAHJAILARI]

True all dat, but thatTungstonid - BUT seemed like the only way to go IF indeed they really plan to do something like that.

 

Maybe the effect would be something like "tier 10 Bismark-style secondaries raining AP destruction"-thingy. Of course, they could also give it the Defensive AA consumable to compensate for the weaker overall AA....

 

Oh buggers! Spank me for suggesting that! Now it's gonna be aöö my fault if they actually go on and do it....

[Kazomir]

She will be a toned down Yamato in early config at tier 9 buyable for free xp and everyone thinking otherwise is deluding himself.

 

She will have less HP and less Sigma (flamus favorite fin word)

 

For the sake of gimmicks, i propose they give her two plane modules, as she has two catapults and a huge hangar. One will be standard spotter, the other would be cruiser like 6 minute fighter.

 

 

[P2Win]

Will buy this ship even if it cost 1.5 million exp. Hope it's a t10 though.

[Sonic_157]

Musashi should be a tier 10 only.

There is no reason to put her at 9.

[JaiFoh]

I just don't want her to be a Clan Reward ship as some of us are more casual players and do not have the time to assist and take part in clans.