USA DD line or wait for the Pan Asia line?

[Dykeras]

The USA DD line looks a hell of a lot of fun to play (got to the Clemson) and tempted to travel further up the tree, but... looking at some of the information from YouTube about the upcoming Pan Asian DD's, seems at higher tiers they are very similar if not better copies of the USA DD's?

 

So, do I go up the USA DD line or wait for the Pan Asian line?

[RUSSIANBlAS]

USN DD line only really starts getting good at Mahan and arguably peaks at Fletcher.

 

Could wait for P Asian reviews I guess. Personally I'd still grind USN DDs but I like them.

[Robber_Baron]

Something you might consider is that no release date has yet been announced afaik. And with WG's obsession to make everything gimmicky, the balancing and switching of gimmicks traits might cause delays, as was the case with the RN cruisers last year.

So why not play the US DDs until then? If the Pan Asian ships receive the same gun characteristics, then at the very least the US DD mortal shells will get your aiming skills ready for the Pan Asian DDs.

[elblancogringo]

And PA DDs stats are subject to change before release. Try USN destroyers, they're really fun. I love my Benson she's such a good ship, need only 5k more xp to unlock Fletcher!

[Chaos_Umbra]

The main reason for me to go up the Pain Asian DD line when it comes out has gotta be the tier 7 looks like it will be one hell of a ship.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Benson and Fletcher are very relevant ships still. Grab a Sims if she ever comes up for sale again. 

 

Benson especially can earn a fair chuck of XP as you're still effective in T10 games. Just remember to turn and run vs superior odds instead of shooting then laugh at the enemy DDs as they foolishly gun bloom themselves.

[Dams_77]

Fletcher is an OP Benson, you'll enjoy her a lot. Gearing is very different and can not be compared with these 2 ones

[BeauNidl3]

I'm at Benson which gets up tiered a lot, but copes pretty well and have enjoyed the whole line so far. I've seen people complain about Farragut, but I found it great fun and I'm far from a stellar DD player.

Have played Fletcher and Gearing on PTS and I've no worries that I will dislike them on live.

If you want to learn a DD line then the US one is forgiving for a n00b like me and can be very satisfying to grind, I've not found a lame duck in the line.

[jss78]

I've only played the line up to T6, but I loved the Nicholas and Farragut.

 

As far as those two:

 

Torps have good punch but short range, so mostly you don't rely on them. The guns are good but not SO good that they'd really make up the difference.

 

The biggest strength lie in the non-armament parts. Fast, agile, low concealment -- great for contesting caps and making it out alive. Last but not least: God-tier USN smoke, which you absolutely should not be using only on yourself. IMO how well you do in these ships is all about how well you understand and utilize the non-armament strengths.

 

They're weird ships -- superficially weak but carry games. The ultimate team player.

[Fat_Maniac]

I've got Clemson, just starting on her, but I've been told that Nicholas is the ship to get to give you a feel for what the rest of the line is like. Not sure if thats true or not.

[Dampfboot]

On 21.9.2017 at 5:05 PM, Dykeras said:

The USA DD line looks a hell of a lot of fun to play (got to the Clemson) and tempted to travel further up the tree, but... looking at some of the information from YouTube about the upcoming Pan Asian DD's, seems at higher tiers they are very similar if not better copies of the USA DD's?

 

So, do I go up the USA DD line or wait for the Pan Asian line?

 

Judging from the OP crap that the RN BB line is and the desperation that WG shows having to force the PA DDs on players by making them ridiculously OP because they are badly bleeding players due to bad and horrific design (CV revision and fix for ridiculous AP damage on DDs have been postponed to 2018/19) and hilariously stupid marketing decisions (especially by WG-EU), I would say: The PA DDs will be the strongest in the game. Period. If only because they fought so many epic battles during WW II. They sunk the largest amount of ships in history. Period.

[MoveZig]

Well let's see, what does USA get:

 

- Inferior torps

- Def AA consumable option

- Good smoke

 

And for PA:

 

- Gud torps

- No Def AA, just Engine Boost

- Radar option instead of smoke

 

Verdict: Go USA if you want a gunboat, PA if you want torp play. The radar will make up for not being able to hit DDs with torps (which rarely works anyway, it's a small price to pay for awesome detection range). Also, smoke is counterproductive for torpboats anyway since it broadcasts where you are. On the downside, if there is a CV spotting you, you're just as useless as a TRB IJN boat.

[bug]

I am not an expert, but I find aa an liability in dd. If scouting, torping and capping, I dont want to show my position by aither aa or shooting at enemy, I try to stay undetected, unless I choose to shoot at enemy.

[Agantas]

13 hours ago, jss78 said:

I've only played the line up to T6, but I loved the Nicholas and Farragut.

 

The US line essentially stays the same. You can stealth torp starting from Mahan. That which sucks about Mahan is fixed in Benson. The high-arcing rapid-firing and fast-turning guns stay the same. Benson and Fletcher are likely the high points of the line. Fletcher has more effective torpedoes than Benson, that is one of the biggest differences. That said, I've kept both of them, and Farragut since Farragut got that New Year permanent camo from a campaign.

[SinkTheOthersNotMe]

Don't pick DD please I (almost) beg you.

Learn first to play at low tiers and try to improver otherwise you will be one of those tomatoes who are just a liability to their team....

 

If you don't get better then please pick a BB or a CA so that, as a deadweight, you are less detrimental to your team.

[ThePurpleSmurf]

On 9/21/2017 at 5:05 PM, Dykeras said:

So, do I go up the USA DD line or wait for the Pan Asian line?

The answer is, buy the Lo Yang. It's a C-Hull Benson but Pan-Asia. Tier 8 is (mostly) the best tier, the Lo Yang plays like the US DD Benson (so pretty much like Nicholas B-Hull to Gearing) but it's in my opinion borderline overpowered with the buffed hydro. It's a good moneymaker and it will be an excellent commander trainer for the Pan-Asia DD line.

 

But NOTE! The US DD line is very difficult to master and a lot who try struggle with them because of their gun arcs. They also have no gimmick, other than long lasting smoke, they are jack of all trades, decent at everything but not really good at anything.

 

You like the Clemson, this ship is a seal clubber, means it is very very strong for its tier. The playstyle changes drastically with tier 5 Nicholas when you get the B-Hull, it is nowhere near to comparable to Clemson.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

On 9/21/2017 at 5:16 PM, Negativvv said:

USN DD line only really starts getting good at Mahan and arguably peaks at Fletcher.

 

Could wait for P Asian reviews I guess. Personally I'd still grind USN DDs but I like them.

 

I have to disagree with you there :)

 

USN DD line is one of the most consistent lines.

Clemson is an OP DD at T4, Nicolas is good and Farragut is still the best DD at T6.

Sure they dont have long range torps, but the line doesnt have a single bad DD in it.

 

I like Mahan the least of the entire line (and Gearing to be honest) but still ... they are all very good ships.

 

On 9/21/2017 at 5:05 PM, Dykeras said:

So, do I go up the USA DD line or wait for the Pan Asian line?

 

To be honest. Dont wait.

First of all, we dont know when the PA DD line is coming, plus it is still "under work", so ....

Just go with USN DD line (you will enjoy it) and do both lines once PA hits.

[MoveZig]

1 hour ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

It's a good moneymaker and it will be an excellent commander trainer for the Pan-Asia DD line.

 

 

Man, who cares about money. Anshan gets 2x Free EXP, applied after the +50% EXP bonus. If you're serious about farming in the game and you don't want to fork over the money for a t9-t10 permacamo or Missouri, Anshan is a solid choice. Not sure why you'd prioritize credits over FXP, although Anshan isn't a bad credit farmer either. And it can of course be used as a trainer.

[Prospect_b]

15 hours ago, MoveZig said:

Well let's see, what does USA get:

 

- Inferior torps

[MoveZig]

59 minutes ago, PzychoPanzer said:

 

Why, did they change something? Last preview I saw, the only differences from normal torps were much better detection range and inability to hit DDs. Which, if you're relying on torps to kill DDs, you're doing it wrong.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

8 minutes ago, MoveZig said:

 

Which, if you're relying on torps to kill DDs, you're doing it wrong.

Exectly what  ment.

 

They are good to ambush ships coming from behind an island, specially the 2 side launchers.

[ThePurpleSmurf]

5 hours ago, MoveZig said:

 

Man, who cares about money. Anshan gets 2x Free EXP, applied after the +50% EXP bonus. If you're serious about farming in the game and you don't want to fork over the money for a t9-t10 permacamo or Missouri, Anshan is a solid choice. Not sure why you'd prioritize credits over FXP, although Anshan isn't a bad credit farmer either. And it can of course be used as a trainer.

I prioritize the Lo Yang over Anshan for several reasons. 1) not everyone likes the low tier gameplay a.k.a. seal clubbing. 2) Lo Yang get a lot of tier 10 matches and this means, as permanent bottom tier you get a lot more XP than you do in tier 5-6. More XP means also more Free XP. 3) Lo Yang generate enough credits to play exclusively tier 10 without premium account. Someone, like me, who plays almost exclusively tier 8 to 10 need credits to maintain the cost and be able to grind other ship lines.

Anshan Free XP bonus sounds nice, but have you actually played both (or check videos on YT)? Both generate a similar amount of Free XP per battle, but with Free XP flags the Lo Yang often surpasses the Anshan, because the base XP is simply higher on average. Some prefer Anshan, some prefer Lo Yang, both is fine with me.

[Kutfroat]

dont grind u.s. line. benson and fletcher are not more than ok nowadays, after gunbloom nerf aka stealthfire removal. gearing is just...can´t find other words than complete waste of time and i would be surprised if it is not the worst t10 currently. dont get fooled into it being a gunboat, maybe compared to shimakaze, everything else just wrecks her. so no, dont go down u.s. line.

[captainhaddock_2015]

I ground up to the Gearing, bought the Gearing, played a few games, absolutely hated it, sold Gearing, now the Fletcher is definately worth the effort to get to though, the gun/torp aa combo is very nice.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

USN DD line will counter PA DD line very nicely.