Karma Visible on Dock

[V_RASK]

I really appreciate the Karma and reporting system in WOWS.

But I would like it to become more important as a way to improve playing mentality.

 

I would like each player to see their Karma number in their Dock screen so that they are firstly aware that it exists.

Moreover, depending on how high or low a players Karma is, the number could for example be coloured accordingly or a different aura / graphic /pin could be seen next to the players name (hopefully something punishing the eye of bad karma players).

 

Surelly it will help as an incentive for people to play better, think more in a team manner, stop being %^&^& and AFK.

Yes, system will be abused by salty players, angry people etc. but they will get over it. The caring players out there willl surely appreciate it.  

 

I admit it, I check on my Karma after every game. And when my karma drops  I think of my game and try to identify my mistakes to avoid them in the future. 

Rarely, rage wins and the ocassional "idiot" is used,  but I don't usually get bad Karma for it.

In my experience by following the karma after each game, bad karma is mostly coming from salty oponents killed by you or from teamates thinking you stole their kill.

 

 

Also :

I have been reporting afk ships on both sides for quite some time now but it seems that AFK's are present in almost every game lately !!!

Can you please WG put this reporting system into use ?

 

Fair seas !

 

[aboomination]

23 hours ago, V_RASK said:

I admit it, I check on my Karma after every game. And when my karma drops  I think of my game and try to identify my mistakes to avoid them in the future. 

I analyse each of my matches and I never look at my karma score.*edited* That number means nothing. I more often get reported for playing well than being complimented for it.

[bushwacker001]

7 minutes ago, V_RASK said:

 

And when my karma drops  I think of my game and try to identify my mistakes to avoid them in the future. 

 

I mistakenly killed an an enemy cruiser division last night which caused my karma to drop by 2 points. I won't do it again. 

[Juanx]

23 minutes ago, V_RASK said:

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You seem to be awfully worried about what people thinks of you...

Karma means nothing, just fyi.

 

Also, click "profile" at the top, voila, karma on display.

[DFens_666]

25 minutes ago, V_RASK said:

I admit it, I check on my Karma after every game. And when my karma drops  I think of my game and try to identify my mistakes to avoid them in the future. 

 

 

Guess that would mean killing less and winning less, since i get reported for that too. Especially RN Cruisers get reported for killing someone from smoke. If i play RN CLs my karma drops constantly. Play other Cruisers usually it rises.

If u can report someone just for the fun of it, it definetely should have no impact. Only thing which should matter is being afk. Just had a match with AFK CV who was a Teamkiller. DIdnt do anything, just wants to get rid of his status... awesome, thx WG for the loss btw.

 

[Juanx]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

Just had a match with AFK CV who was a Teamkiller. DIdnt do anything, just wants to get rid of his status... awesome, thx WG for the loss btw.

 

On those matches, especially if I play a DD, I will go out of my way to rub the dudes ship, as to make it as worthless a game as he just did for the rest of the team.

[mtm78]

I also check my Karma daily, if it's above 25 I know I had a chatban previously, if it's zero I know I'll get a chat ban shortly. 

 

Karma is like the old +-1 on forums, only anonymous and therefore mostly useless compared to that system which actually had a clear purpose ( indicating community 'temperature' about certain issues ). 

 

31 minutes ago, V_RASK said:

I admit it, I check on my Karma after every game. And when my karma drops  I think of my game and try to identify my mistakes to avoid them in the future. 

 

So when I get 7 reports because I have a kraken, couple of devastating strike and a double strike with liquidator and high caliber, I should not make those same mistakes again? When you give bad players the option to report everyone who they feel envious about, and this system isn't checked in any way, you can't expect this system to be actually worth anything. 

 

 

[Allied_Winter]

3 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Guess that would mean killing less and winning less, since i get reported for that too. Especially RN Cruisers get reported for killing someone from smoke. If i play RN CLs my karma drops constantly. Play other Cruisers usually it rises.

 

 

Kutuzovs too!

 

And  while it would be very nice to see Karma be upgraded to something use- and meaningfull, I doubt that we'll see such a thing in the near future. Until then it's just an random number next to your account name.

 

Greetings

[_Teob_]

The truth is somewhere in the middle about Karma. 

You do get reported occasionally by salty enemies. You also do get reported by salty teammates. 

That doesn't invalidate the system altogether. I find I get complimented for playing well far more often than I get reported. Then again, I don't get that Kraken achievement that often lol!

However I don't go AFK, I don't grief and I (mostly) try to be courteous in chat although, I will make fun of BBs going to D on North for example or 20km torp Shimas. I know I shouldn't but I can't help myself.

I have around 300 Karma and I have never once asked for a compliment. In fact most people in Tora Tora Tora tend to have quite high Karma.

 

I quite like the idea. It's soft pressure. 

 

*edited*

[RAHJAILARI]

1 hour ago, bushwacker001 said:

I mistakenly killed an an enemy cruiser division last night which caused my karma to drop by 2 points. I won't do it again. 

Ehheheheh! You did did you? What an evil man, you should be punished! Hehehe! But yeah, the same has happened to me too, that's OK tho, some people apparently have not really grasped the concept of "war game" fully...

 

Occasionally it may indeed happen that someone, quite unsportingly, refuses to just take their shots and go down but shoots back, what a horrible thing. Anyway, if they can't take that then there's always the farming simulator, eh?

[V_RASK]

Thank you for the comments and kindly stay on topic or my hope  to be heard will vanquish to the bottoms of the forum, lol

 

To fuel the conversation I have karma 92, mostly from team smokes and some good matches.

But I have quite a few matches so I dont know if that should be averaged.

 

 

Indeed it is just a number but themeasure of  how usefull it is mostly depends on our contribution.

Dont you guys feel useless when the AFK teamkilling CV or other ruins your effort? I do.

And the only way to politely express my frustration is the reporting system.

I am sure watgaming doesn't want me to feel frustrated  !

 

[AnotherDuck]

I check karma about once in a month, at most. Haven't a clue what it is now.

 

I always only use reports for legitimate reasons, like someone disagreeing with me in chat, enemy radar ships, anyone I can pin the blame on for my mistakes, and enemy P2W Belfasts. You know, legitimate reasons.

[_Teob_]

16 minutes ago, V_RASK said:

Indeed it is just a number but themeasure of  how usefull it is mostly depends on our contribution.

Dont you guys feel useless when the AFK teamkilling CV or other ruins your effort? I do.

And the only way to politely express my frustration is the reporting system.

I am sure watgaming doesn't want me to feel frustrated  !

 

How useful the number itself is is highly debatable. 

Don't put too much value on this sort of thing. It's indicative at most.

 

Like I am baffled that someone like @mtm78 doesn't have really high Karma as he mostly seems like a decent dude. Mostly 

 

But people do have a point when they question the value of the reporting system. There is no feedback in place to let you know your reports have any effect.

 

On a similar note, I always wondered if a system where, if you have higher karma, your reports have more weight, wouldn't be more effective.

By that I mean that a player that has a Karma score of 10 and reports someone should have less of an impact than a report from someone that has a Karma score of 500.

Like you would need to be reported 30 times by low Karma players but only 3 times by high Karma players before you got chat banned, for example.

 

My reasoning is that a system like that would allow everyone to accrue Karma but it would also provide strong incentive for people to want to accrue Karma. And it's a way for the community to police itself. This would of course require some involvement from WG.

There is of course a risk of high Karma players abusing their "power" but on the other hand, I imagine that someone with high Karma is less likely to be toxic or power-mad. Especially if an effective appeal system was in place where, if a high Karma player is proven to have miss used the reporting system, they would be penalized like 100 Karma or something. 

 

There are a couple of details that would need to be worked out but I'd quite like some early thoughts.

[DFens_666]

Ofc i report afk ppl, also when they are on the enemy team. But i dont think itll have any impact for them.

The only reliable way i think to get compliments is by complimenting DD or CV for a good job and telling them that. Then they most likely compliment u too. Atleast thats what i found out. Sometimes i compliment even the enemy if he just played really well.

[FishDogFoodShack]

Guy don't worry about karma, even if if did matter, nobody will ever compliment you, no matter how good you play. Reports though? all the time.

 

Can't say it is undeserved sometimes though, but if someone's dad should have jacked them off into the toilet, who else is going to tell them?

[Exocet6951]

Killed a Fletcher on 2k hp using a CV the other day, lost all the karma points I had earned playing tooth and nail for the team in the 20 previous battles.

Meaningless number is meaningless.

[_Teob_]

4 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said:

Killed a Fletcher on 2k hp using a CV the other day, lost all the karma points I had earned playing tooth and nail for the team in the 20 previous battles.

Meaningless number is meaningless.

 

I think CVs are much more susceptible than any other class. 

 

Like I see CVs getting reported all the damn time. For some reason, the expectations for CV players are much higher than the rest of the rank and file. 

At any rate, I think that's not wholly representative.

 

Also how did you lose all your Karma? It doesn't matter if someone reports you 7 times, it will still count as a single report. Was he in a division or something?

[DFens_666]

CVs also have a easy time to help the teammates. Like there is a DD close to you and the CV just flies past him, spots him briefly and continues. Just hold the fkkin plane for a lil time there that the others can deal with that bugger. Only because a plane is empty, doesnt mean it cant spot anymore. I try to do that too playing CV. Unfurtunately if your other players are total potatoes they dont shoot that DD, had that too once in a while...

Or a CV torping a BB with couple of k HP while getting focused by multiple teammates, i mean cmon... Its ok if the other targets are superior in AA or if the game is decided anyway, but ive seen close games which could have turned by prioritizing a bit.

 

Also CVs can have the most impact on the game, so if u have a total moron playing CV it gets really frustrating... Feeding their squads 1by1 to a hightier US Cruiser right at the start of the game? sure thats very smart... One should think by T9/10 everyone knows what classes u should or shouldnt attack. I dont necessarily report them tho. My most reports go to idiot BBabies whom i try to tell something when they do something stupid and then reply like "stfu" or similar.

[mtm78]

35 minutes ago, Teob_VG said:

Like I am baffled that someone like @mtm78 doesn't have really high Karma as he mostly seems like a decent dude. Mostly 

 

I used to be pretty high but then I heard most of those were from people I know complimenting me when I meet them, and I just told everyone that I'm an [edited] and they should stop complimenting me because they know me.... 

 

That's also a reason I get reported, a lot of people also know me and do NOT like me. And, frankly, yes I do at times get chat banned as well and not every single one is not deserved ( aka I might be pretty rude in chat, especially after someone tries to argue with me how he's been useful in his spotter plane equipped Tirpitz parked 10km behind all the cruisers all game ). 

 

I'm content being low karma, system means nothing to me really. I enjoy the in game 'thank you' a lot more, especially as they are not anonymous, and I do get those often enough to know I do actually know what teamplay means   

 

edit:

 

34 minutes ago, Teob_VG said:

My reasoning is that a system like that would allow everyone to accrue Karma but it would also provide strong incentive for people to want to accrue Karma. And it's a way for the community to police itself. This would of course require some involvement from WG.

There is of course a risk of high Karma players abusing their "power" but on the other hand, I imagine that someone with high Karma is less likely to be toxic or power-mad. Especially if an effective appeal system was in place where, if a high Karma player is proven to have miss used the reporting system, they would be penalized like 100 Karma or something. 

 

So, SCRUBS would boost Gene to 10k Karma in a week ( it's quite easy to do if you intent to ) and then he would be the uber karma moderator? Sounds like a plan :D

 

Sounds nice in theory, but a> needs to start with clean slate b> needs to make sure no rigging is possible ( and this is incredibly hard and if you don't then this whole thing is pointless ). 

[_DeathWing_]

21 hours ago, mtm78 said:

I'm content being low karma, system means nothing to me really.  

 

 

Same here. Don't give a *edited* about it.

[Exocet6951]

3 minutes ago, Teob_VG said:

 

I think CVs are much more susceptible than any other class. 

 

Like I see CVs getting reported all the damn time. For some reason, the expectations for CV players are much higher than the rest of the rank and file. 

At any rate, I think that's not wholly representative.

 

Also how did you lose all your Karma? It doesn't matter if someone reports you 7 times, it will still count as a single report. Was he in a division or something?

 

3 man division, 3 reports, -3 karma.

 

In other fun stories, I also lost 2 karma for not yolo rushing a cap while under fire by 7 enemies (5 BBs) while in a bottom tier cruiser.
I lost more karma in a BB for NOT sniping  "BBs aren't supposed to cap, we needed ur guns on [insert irrelevant sniping position] "
I lost karma while being bottom tier in a Farragut for not stealth torp'ing a group of 4 enemy BBs in their base, yet having destroyed their 2 DDs and occupied the enemy CV literally all game.

I lost karma by torp'ing a a BB and making him flood to death.

 

I get reported for the pettiest, most idiotic reasons, but I only get complimented if I either uber carry or crack enough jokes to make charitable souls laugh.

 

Perfect example: I just finished a battle where as a bottom tier DD, I managed to kill two top tier DDs and cap all 3 points, smoking allies as well. Talked in chat to tell the team I was smoking, or capping, no compliment.
Previous battle: fought off a Maass with an enemy Entreprise's planes overhead on a cap using a Farragut with the team killing him and our CV getting a strafe on the enemy planes, and having managed to lay a smoke screen before succombing to a Belfast never spotted which fired over an island, I got a "Report noob DD".

 

With a system like that in place, I'm perfectly alright having a big fat 0 karma.

It usually means I'm killing the enemy hard enough.
 

[mtm78]

21 hours ago, _DeathWing_ said:

 

Same here. Don't give a *edited* about it.

 

I don't like anonymous feedback, that's my main issue with the Karma system. That, and there is no incentive on EU to have good Karma unlike on other servers. 

 

Heck if I'd could earn premium time by having really high Karma I might actually act nice and friendly to every baby in game, staying with them at the blue line smoking them up and keep telling them in chat I'm there to help them, that I will spot the DD's when their done capping our basses and killed every other ship on our team. You know, really really nice :)

[AndyHill]

A few changes would probably make the karma system a bit better:

- Report an enemy that killed you: turns into a compliment

- Report someone for poor play and he scores three times your experience: turns into a compliment

- Score less than 400XP in a tier X battleship and report someone for chat abuse: turns into a compliment

[_DeathWing_]

4 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

I don't like anonymous feedback, that's my main issue with the Karma system. That, and there is no incentive on EU to have good Karma unlike on other servers. 

 

Heck if I'd could earn premium time by having really high Karma I might actually act nice and friendly to every baby in game, staying with them at the blue line smoking them up and keep telling them in chat I'm there to help them, that I will spot the DD's when their done capping our basses and killed every other ship on our team. You know, really really nice :)

 

My problem is not with anonymous feedback, it is with who's mostly giving/taking away to/from you. Also would defo change my opinion about the karma numbers if I would get some rewards for it.

[_Teob_]

I fully take your points gents. Like I said the system is by no means perfect. I promise that I never actually cared about my Karma. I was pleasantly surprised when I found out I was on like 150 (which was about the first time I checked).

 

I am not sure if a better system could be devised. I think that maybe if using your reports/complements would have some sort of incentive? Like if you'd get one of the crappy flags or something?

And obviously cap it at one report/compliment per player per match.

 

4 minutes ago, AndyHill said:

A few changes would probably make the karma system a bit better:

- Report an enemy that killed you: turns into a compliment

- Report someone for poor play and he scores three times your experience: turns into a compliment

- Score less than 400XP in a tier X battleship and report someone for chat abuse: turns into a compliment

You had me up until the last point. Even if someone had a bad game, it doesn't mean he should suffer abuse. It's a damn game at the end of the day.

Also detonations are a thing. 

I do kinda like your other suggestions.