USS Massachusetts

[Ph3lan]

The seventh ship of this name in the US Navy, the "Big Mamie" saw a lot of action - starting with the gun duel against the unfinished French battleship Jean Bart in the Battle of Casablanca in 1942 (in support of Operation Torch USS Massachusetts fired 98% of her main gun ammunition). The main part of her career was however spent providing heavy AA support to US carriers in the Pacific, working her way closer and closer to Japan - until, on August 9, she fired probably the last battleship main gun salvos of World War II during the bombardment of the Kamaishi steelworks. Along with her sister, USS Alabama, she was preserved as a museum ship.

 

Note that we will try to make her different from her sister - but everything depends on the testing!

 

 

 

 

[Martaloc801124]

Nice ship, when she will have lovered citadel as the North Carolina i will buy her.

But what will she have? Hydro , radar, or because she was CV suporter Def AA consumables?

[SV_Kompresor]

I'm expecting radar and torpedoes....yes?

[Martaloc801124]

The new tier 8 IJN BB ,KII have torpedos so she not.

Im a little bit ironic in my previsious comment cuz Ph3lan say she will different from her sister ships .

Ah and yes we need more radar BB cuz Missouri cant participe in ranked battles .

[Takru]

13 minutes ago, Martaloc801124 said:

Im a little bit ironic in my previsious comment cuz Ph3lan say she will different from her sister ships .

 

 

vs

 

45 minutes ago, Ph3lan said:

Note that we will try to make her different from her sister - but everything depends on the testing!

 

 

Do you notice the difference there?

[Martaloc801124]

Yes and you notice that we have hydro and DefAA DD's ,smoke cruisers and radar , DefAA BB's  so everything is a mess and everything is possible.

But we will see what happen.

[Takru]

21 minutes ago, Martaloc801124 said:

Yes and you notice that we have hydro and DefAA DD's ,smoke cruisers and radar , DefAA BB's  so everything is a mess and everything is possible.

But we will see what happen.

 

Which is absolutely not the point. You constructed a "will be" out of a "may be". Huge difference.

[piritskenyer]

17 minutes ago, Poseidon_Wrath said:

one word its all about he MONEY MONEY MOney

 

Can you guys cry more?

[Ghostychan]

IMHO: its a lose/lose situation for WG, if she ends up getting sold.

 

don't make her special: people will complain about her being a reskin

make her special: people will complain that it's likely ending up horribly balanced compared to Alabama

 

So I really hope she will end up as a reward ship for upcoming CWs or 9 times rank 1 - without any gimmicks, just as a slightly different Alabama.

[ShinGetsu]

Because we need yet another premium US BB with broken consumable.

 

I say, WG, are you even trying at this point ?

 

And why the hell another South Dakota when we're waiting for Roma-class and Richelieu-class? 

[lankylad11_lankylad]

do we really need a third tier 8 US Battleship. why not produce something different like maybe a british aircraft carrier?  we've got enough battleships at this point

[Herrscher_Elysia]

This is why I against Alabama being sold to regular players, now Massachusetts is like AlabamaV2(plus minus some that and that).

 

And now the playerbase whining "We dont need another prem USN T8 BB". SIGHHHH.....

[JollyRoger1516]

1) Any historical ship is welcome.

2) Always a fan of American BBs.

3) People [edited] about supposedly op BBs. Why do I not have any problems with them? Single planes and DDs spotting my torps or priority target warning of torps being aimed from unseen ships annoy me much more then a Bismarck or Missouri using their consumables (especially radar only lasts 30 secs so  BB pushing forward to pursue is actually refreshing).

3) Ark Royal ever planned? :D (I gotta say I'd prefer her or other CVs over any other ship at this time)

[Takeda92]

Oh no, when WG try hard to make something different they make it overpowered. Inb4 Radar and UK cruiser heal, and T9 equipment slot on a T8 ship.. and special AP bounce angles.. but don't worry that will be balanced by slightly weaker long range AA and 2 seconds slower turret traverse!

[Trainspite]

4 hours ago, ShinGetsu said:

Because we need yet another premium US BB with broken consumable.

 

I say, WG, are you even trying at this point ?

 

And why the hell another South Dakota when we're waiting for Roma-class and Richelieu-class? 

 

Because the model is there and available, and there is a museum ship which just happens to be of that class. If you don't like it, don't get it, but you should have expected Alabama & Massachusetts as dual tier 8 premiums from the start. There is no need to complain about it, given we know Jean Bart/Richelieu is in production from that naval legends video, MN BBs being likely for this year, and Roma being mentioned. 

[StringWitch]

But I want BB-2, not BB-59!

[LastButterfly]

3 hours ago, Trainspite said:

 

Because the model is there and available, and there is a museum ship which just happens to be of that class. If you don't like it, don't get it, but you should have expected Alabama & Massachusetts as dual tier 8 premiums from the start. There is no need to complain about it, given we know Jean Bart/Richelieu is in production from that naval legends video, MN BBs being likely for this year, and Roma being mentioned. 

 

"Mentioned"

So was Tone. And that's just one amongst god know how many.

What WG mentions has long proven it was far outsides the boudaries of reality... And even further from whatever they really wanted or planned.

 

WG can make lazy money WG makes lazy money. Why bother. Saipan was the first US premium CV because they had her model from CBT. The same goes for Katori. And Anshan. And- guess I won't go on, I may exceed the character limit per post.

[anonym_i2RxUTEMphjW]

It's sad, that there could be a sister ship of those two premiums instead, that actually fought in two major battles and would be the best suited BB to have defAA if any has to have it (see the Battle of Santa Cruz), but nope.

World of Marketing and Costs Cutting.

[Saranpaa]

USN BB with a Atlanta/Flint bolted on. 

Should make a nice/fun US secondary build?

Edit: Nevermind, just noticed that all of those ships have the same secondaries.

[GhostRiderMax123]

Will this ship be released half done

 

joking

 

Cant wait to see how she turns out

 

[Trainspite]

5 hours ago, LastButterfly said:

 

"Mentioned"

So was Tone. And that's just one amongst god know how many.

What WG mentions has long proven it was far outsides the boudaries of reality... And even further from whatever they really wanted or planned.

 

WG can make lazy money WG makes lazy money. Why bother. Saipan was the first US premium CV because they had her model from CBT. The same goes for Katori. And Anshan. And- guess I won't go on, I may exceed the character limit per post.

 

Well, Tone was mentioned and slated for production until a point, but releasing an irreversible premium at that point without the appropriate mechanics is slightly different from a the hints that French BBs are coming this year, or early next.

 

Plus, some things just don't work out, though WG don't really help themselves at times. 

 

Of course, ships using the same model are fairly easy, and have to be expected. In some cases it is unnecessary, but I have no real qualms with it. Plus, re-using models from development, or at least updating them and releasing them is also to be expected. 

[philjd]

Anyone else remember BobC59 over on the Warships1 boards - nice guy, he served on the Mamie in WW2?

[piet11111]

I am in favor of releasing Mamie as a regular prem ship.

The only people that have a real complaint are the obsessive collectors for having to spend more money to feed their OCD but wargaming should not restrict player choice for it.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

The NA CC Zoupwhateverhisnameis does a short preview of Massachusetts although I was a little critical of him in the comments as he says a load of stuff without actually being informative. Says it's not an Alabama clone as it has slightly different AA, slightly different rudder, a longer range and slightly more HP.

 

No talk of it's sigma/dispersion, torpedo belt etc.

 

He does say it feels more like the NC but that's meaningless without stats or any form of quantification. I could say my Missouri or Monty play like an NC if I wanted to... 

[hjsteg]

When the plans to reward the supertesters with the Alabama there was an outcry. Consequently plans were changed, and the ST's got the unique kraken camo together with the Alabama ST and most were satisfied.

Spoiler

A bit later Alabama was released as an ordinary premium. So the South Dakota class is covered by 2 premiums. Do we need the third? Is it so that the Massachusetts was planned to be what the Alabama is now? Perhaps it is not a premium, perhaps it represents a second BB line?