Winrate is falling like crazy since t6/7

[Mexz94]

Hey guys,

my winrate is falling pretty hard since i reached t6/7 (from 51% to 48,5%). So obviously i'm doing something wrong. Any tips for me?

I'm playing the german BB and cruiser line at the moment, mostly the battleships. The bb's with the typical secondarybuild. At the moment i have the Gneisenau and the Nürnberg.

I try to stay at middlerange (10-15km) until i have the chance to push into closerange without killing myself. (with the bb's)

Also i'm not sailing of alone, i try to always angle my armor and change course and speed so i don't eat torpedos. And i try to shoot at targets that i can hit and kill

With the cruisers i try to stand further back and use islands as cover so i dont get deleted the moment i show myself.

Do you have any tips how i can become better? This is just frustrating, i just keep losing and losing.

[Ze_Reckless]

Stay at low tiers (3-4) until you get better results with those ships. If you sold the ships you can always buy them again. From tier 5 the matchmaking is much harsher and the players have much more experience. There is a lot to learn in this game, even after 1000 battles you won't be an expert yet. 

As a cruiser you should try to focus on surviving the entire battle. It's never worth it taking damage or losing the ship to deal 2-3k damage back. (You won't get 100% survival, just do your best to stay alive to the end while still being effective in the battle.)

I hope it helps.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

• Find a clan, play division. Win together and learn from them.
• You seem to be not ready for hightier matches. Practice more in lower tiers (up to T4)
• Take a closer look at your stats (https://eu.warships.today/player/500274685/Nightwave155 or http://wows-numbers.com/de/player/500274685,Nightwave155/)
• Your survival rate with Nürnberg is extremely low and Gneisenau as well. I guess you play way too aggressive. The sooner your ship sinks, the less influence you have on the match.
• Hiding behind islands can work sometimes, but if someone spots you, you are an easy target that can't evade any incoming shells. Kiting is way more effective (bait enemy into following you, constantly fire at him and use WASD-Hacks. If it gets too dangerous, stop shooting and go stealth. Be aware of any enemies in your detection range.)
• Drive more than just two lines. The more you know about your enemies, the better you can counter tham.

[Ferry_25]

All of the above. For me t6-7 was the biggest change in the game I experienced. I started to meet real aces when I was still a extremely green rookie (now I'm proud to be a green rookie). Mistakes where you can get away from in the lower tiers are immediately punished now. Also I'd recommend building up some more cruiser and destroyer experience. Looking at your stats (https://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/500274685-Nightwave155/!/pvp/ships/?bestShip=bayern) I'd say CV isn't your cup of tea. Perfectly ok. Neither it's mine. However: doing some games in it will give you insight into that style as well. Last but not least: it's no shame to try out newly grinded ships in coop first. I should have done that more when I was at your amount of matches.

[Azalgor]

Dont take this game to seriously, like i did_You arent doing anything wrong, my daily winrates went from 50+- to 20% +- in past few months, and i just stopped caring, now i just get in to a battle, do some 10k dmg before i die in 3 min of the game and go to next battle, get some 30-40 daily reports out of 10 games, and quit.

Dont wish to become like me who got overtaken by low teams? Find a comfortable ship of tier 5, and stay there, never go past tier 7 till you get used to them low players in their larva stage, and feel safe where you can pull YOUR weight solo 1 v 12.

You will always hear that its YOU who drags 11 players down on your team, not the other way around, so, untill you can carry those 11 players, dont go on any high tiers.

[Mexz94]

Thanks guys :)

I will pause the german line for a time and play other nations and lines. Good that i dont sell ships^^'
I will focus on low tier and read guides. i did like the japanese dd's and cruisers before the germans came :)

I hope i will get better before i try t6/7 again ^^' 
Thanks again :)

[ollonborre]

52 minutes ago, Azalgor said:

You will always hear that its YOU who drags 11 players down on your team, not the other way around, so, untill you can carry those 11 players, dont go on any high tiers.

This is actually not a bad way of thinking. If you try to put the blame of the defeat on yourself instead of the other 11 I find that for myself atleast it relieves a lot of stress, and gives me a carrot so to say to analyse my own performance and gameplay deeper thus gaining better results.

[SirAmra]

23 minutes ago, ollonborre said:

This is actually not a bad way of thinking. If you try to put the blame of the defeat on yourself instead of the other 11 I find that for myself atleast it relieves a lot of stress, and gives me a carrot so to say to analyse my own performance and gameplay deeper thus gaining better results.

I blame my teams alot of times for the defeats. When the BBs are borderhugging and DDs yolodie in first min of game. Or when they leave 2/3 of the map completely open. I`m sure as hell not going to "put" the defeat on myself when the teams don`t even try. The landslide games of late is massive.

But does this mean I`m raging etc etc? No, I press the battlebutton knowing I tried to do the right thing even though I knew it would fail. Or I do at times just sail with the lemmings and try to farm as much as I can.

But most players in this game will never be good enough to carry whole games. And if players would follow Azalgors logic, nobody would play high tiers.

[ollonborre]

22 minutes ago, siramra said:

 I`m sure as hell not going to "put" the defeat on myself when the teams don`t even try. 

I never said I always put the blame on myself, there are only so many 150k+ damage defeats I can muster in a day before I start to feel it is not me

[Brutal_120]

WOWS is just a "one trick pony", if you would like to "do" well from T5 upward, then its a BB, or if you like the interface format a Carrier,  nothing else will do, 

the Cruisers are made of paper, when met with a T5 against a T7, you just end up outgunned, resulting in a frustrating waste of your time and effort, the Destroyers get the worst deal, if you are spotted, your terminated, 

i have played WOWs since its release, i paid for a premium account for the first 2 months, i also allowed my kids run a premium account, but it soon became very apparent it was a total waste of money, so we stopped paying, and my kids stopped playing shortly after, not because of the money, because they are intelligent enough to know the difference between a good game and a poor one   

the +2 MM is a joke, great if you are in the T7, utter crap if you in the T5,

I researched the german T5 to improve my limited involvement with the 2 Years old event, (would like the commemorative Flag, the rest of the gimmicks, WG can Stick) i had NEVER used the german T5 Destroyer, first game T6, second Game T7, with a one point commander, 1st game, I got the "You Must Try Harder" scored 378 for the one shell i managed to fire, second game spotted by something, maybe one of the numerous counter measures, a T7 BB , not even within sight, one shotted, again the "Must try harder" crappy message, 

yet with the T4 German DD V-170, 114 games 193 kills, 117 Torped, 45 main guns, 31 Flooding and Fire, 3.51 destruction rate, 

Total games Played, 2,017, kills, 2,767, 58% win rate, 2.65 destruction rate, all done with the DDs at T4, because its as good a level playing field as WG will ever offer!

in short if you like the game for FUN!, T1 - T4, as T5 - T10 it is just a bake, 

i read in a post on this forum, a player complementing WG on what a successful company/business it is, worth over 60million, from conception to present day, i nearly fell of my chair laughing, i wonder how much money WG has missed/not got, because of their arrogant, contempt for the client base, and the MM +2 match up, only people with a very limited IQ would pay for this game, 

@WG if you want a mans money, take it a bit at a time, but don't piss up his back and tell him its raining!  

if you want fun in this game, play to what level suits you, ignore the rest, it will avoid your severe disappointment, and a better long term bank balance  

 

[invicta2012]

Nurnberg is as squishy as heck. Her job is to set things on fire and HE spam fleeing battleships, not get in to close combat gun fights or to use torps as anything other than self-defense or an ambush for the truly unwary. As a cruiser you'll always be top of the list for BBs sniping so always assess the situation before you start firing - are you about to broadcast your location to eager BBs who aren't in combat yet? Are you in the open water or are your team mates with you?  Is your target already engaged? Do you have cover to hand that they can't fire over (ideally, while you can)? Are you already positioning so that if they do fire back they'll be shooting at your bow or tail, not your broadside? 

 

These things are important - in many respects you're actually better off sailing with your BBs rather than using your full speed, and letting them get into the fight before you engage. That way you can run different angles, double team on the enemy and increase both your damage and the opportunities for your team. Hit and Run is more effective than being sunk after a couple of salvos.

 

Also, bear with it. The German Tier VII, Yorck, is better in every respect; it's my favourite ship in the game at the moment, even if you do occasionally end up fighting Tier IX BBs (eek)...

[EsaTuunanen]

2 hours ago, Brutal_120 said:

I researched the german T5 to improve my limited involvement with the 2 Years old event, (would like the commemorative Flag, the rest of the gimmicks, WG can Stick) i had NEVER used the german T5 Destroyer, first game T6, second Game T7, with a one point commander, 1st game, I got the "You Must Try Harder" scored 378 for the one shell i managed to fire, second game spotted by something, maybe one of the numerous counter measures, a T7 BB , not even within sight, one shotted, again the "Must try harder" crappy message, 

yet with the T4 German DD V-170, 114 games 193 kills, 117 Torped, 45 main guns, 31 Flooding and Fire, 3.51 destruction rate,

Tier 4 is last with protected +1 Tier only match making.

At Tier 5 you need to start understanding game mechanics and capabilities of ships like fully skilled IJN torpedo boat spotting you far earlier than you it and T7 radar (Atlanta, Belfast and Indianapolis) seeing through mountains pretending to be island and such.

Especially knowing own ship's capabilities and what it can handle and what not, along with patience to not rush too far from support if having stronger enemies around.

 

Earlier T4 used to meet T6 ships (and IIRC T3 T5s) meaning you had to learn earlier and there wasn't such skill jump in T5.

[Lovrea]

To be able to have a good winrate you need to be able to carry your team. If you are a average player you will have average results. It doesn't mean you are bad, its just very, very hard to have a good winrate when you play with 11 other random people. The skill of players is in general also higher at higher levels, even if its plenty poor players too. 

[Verblonde]

I'm in a similar boat to the OP (I got my first regular tree T6 over the weekend); something I might suggest is to realistically assess how tired etc you are - if you're knackered, your reaction time (and judgement) may suffer a bit, and it might be worth dropping down a tier or two, or playing PvE.

If you've come from another game (WOT in my case) where you were playing high tiers regularly, it can be a bit galling to be back at novice tiers, but one has to deal with it. It's not that bad anyway - there are lots of fun/interesting ships at lower tiers...

[Skiie]

Looking at your stats(not stat shaming)and seeing pretty low avg dmg. How are you exactly playing? Just rushing in a cruiser and dying? Sitting too back in a BB? Do you have a good game mechanic knowledge? Maybe you should improve your positioning? Your dds look pretty good though. Maybe try playing them more? I suggest getting into a clan and asking advice and playing together and learning from more experienced players. 

[Onsterfelijke]

You encounter much better players after t5 so your gamestyle must be changed to cautious you will see improvement after 1000-2000 battles then after t7 you have the same probleem with very good  or very experienced players. so after 4000+ battles you will see you scores improve again.

[Gnirf]

The value (necessity) of flags, prem. consumables , not playing stock hulls and have good captain increases the higher up you go. Today you have several veterans who is very experienced and have good captains.

[Magro_]

For me it was Tier 7 that was the change.

If you play T7 you risk meeting T9, for your BB a disaster. 

1-5 is not halfway to max level 10, the people at T8 or T9 is a lot more experienced than T6-7 and at T10 yes they know their line...

Their players will have experience, the cpatians will be better etc etc. But so will yours, so it is just to push on through. Slow I know but worth it

[cuddlesRO]

On 17.09.2017 at 3:30 AM, Ze_Reckless said:

Stay at low tiers (3-4) until you get better results with those ships. If you sold the ships you can always buy them again. From tier 5 the matchmaking is much harsher and the players have much more experience. There is a lot to learn in this game, even after 1000 battles you won't be an expert yet. 

As a cruiser you should try to focus on surviving the entire battle. It's never worth it taking damage or losing the ship to deal 2-3k damage back. (You won't get 100% survival, just do your best to stay alive to the end while still being effective in the battle.)

I hope it helps.

That is one bad advice. Tier 3-4 is chaotic you won't learn anything there , no one will angle (not that will matter anyway) as everyone will shoot HE. Not to mention , some ships are terrible and combined with the low health pool will just add up to the frustration. Also add the sealclubbers (mostly in jap DDs with >10 cap skill against you will have NO chance especially if you are new) that daily roam those tiers.  

Don't give 2 sheets on the WR , just sink in and play the game. It doesn't matter if you lose. You will soon learn the characteristics of the ship , your commander will add xp , etc etc.  I have 40% WR tier 4 and 60% WR tier 9 , with your logic I should have remained at tier 4.

[ColonelPete]

And if you have a chance, you know that you have learned your lesson...

 

Low tier is a good spot to learn as you will notice any improvements quickly.

[Ze_Reckless]

1 hour ago, clocky said:

That is one bad advice. Tier 3-4 is chaotic you won't learn anything there , no one will angle (not that will matter anyway) as everyone will shoot HE. Not to mention , some ships are terrible and combined with the low health pool will just add up to the frustration. Also add the sealclubbers (mostly in jap DDs with >10 cap skill against you will have NO chance especially if you are new) that daily roam those tiers.  

Don't give 2 sheets on the WR , just sink in and play the game. It doesn't matter if you lose. You will soon learn the characteristics of the ship , your commander will add xp , etc etc.  I have 40% WR tier 4 and 60% WR tier 9 , with your logic I should have remained at tier 4.

 

Wow, you are a genius. And you love fake news, obviously. Good idea to post this in the newcomer's section. 

Sure, go learn the game at tier 9 with radars, Gearing torps, AP bombs, Haku cross drops and Montana salvos coming your way ...

Your stats don't matter at all as long as they are hidden, it's like they don't exist. Come back with a better argument if you have one.

[cuddlesRO]

He mentioned tier 6/7 not tier 9 bro. My example was just.. an example. Read my post better next time and don't try to extract only what you like in justifying your flame.

Having one stuck at a certain lower tier "trying to improve that Winrate" is just dumb. PERIOD.

 

Tier 6 is a good tier to learn. Lower tier is full of noobs from which you will not learn anything even if you increase your WR.  You will only learn how to reck noobs. 

 

Don't victimize yourself now.

LE: Is this enough of a better argument?

[ColonelPete]

You do not learn from others. You improve yourself by learning from your mistakes.

[Skiie]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

You do not learn from others. You improve yourself by learning from your mistakes.

While I agree that you learn from your mistakes, you can learn alot from others. Especially when the game doesn't tell you all of it's mechanics. Learning how the game works in essential to becoming a better player.

[Verblonde]

I would suggest that learning from others is essential (it's one of the benchmarks of higher intelligence, after all - did you know that some octopus can do that? Remarkable creatures, octopus...).

Speaking as a newbie, when something goes horribly pear-shaped, you often don't know what happened; by observing, and talking to, better players you might work out rather faster whatever it was that you did wrong (hopefully, with a view to doing it less in future)