[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #51 Posted October 12, 2017 I'll just leave this here... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,213 battles Report post #52 Posted October 12, 2017 26 minutes ago, Negativvv said: I'll just leave this here... You were either very lucky or the enemy CV very dumb. Flying planes around the Gneisenau is almost as smart as flying them around a Cleveland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #53 Posted October 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, Aragathor said: You were either very lucky or the enemy CV very dumb. Flying planes around the Gneisenau is almost as smart as flying them around a Cleveland. Well the story behind it is a Clan mate was trying to learn how to Kaga, so we helped him by taking OP AA ships. I even specced Gneisi for full AA... Enemy CV had no idea Gneisi had such an epic bubble but he said something in German in all chat before the game ended... Prob a waste of time when playing solo but in a Div you know you'll be up against whatever tier CV your buddy takes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,213 battles Report post #54 Posted October 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Negativvv said: Well the story behind it is a Clan mate was trying to learn how to Kaga, so we helped him by taking OP AA ships. I even specced Gneisi for full AA... Enemy CV had no idea Gneisi had such an epic bubble but he said something in German in all chat before the game ended... Prob a waste of time when playing solo but in a Div you know you'll be up against whatever tier CV your buddy takes. Talk about seal clubbing at mid tier, I can almost see a division combining the Gneisenau and a Bogue, or a Saipan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #55 Posted October 12, 2017 23 minutes ago, Aragathor said: Talk about seal clubbing at mid tier, I can almost see a division combining the Gneisenau and a Bogue, or a Saipan. Meh, only because my Flint doesn't have AFT... Wasn't seal clubbing yet as our CV isn't quite up to speed in their Kaga Gneisi is a solid BB anyway. Although I'm coming from literally hundreds of games in a Tirp and its pretty much 75% of one in every way. A bit ironic as it's a tier lower but arguably harder to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DUSD] LongJohn_ Players 369 posts 7,382 battles Report post #56 Posted October 12, 2017 I guess its the playstyle it requires that makes Gneise difficult. You have to brawl, use those secondaries and torps. And while doing that its very very easy to overextend and die very fast. This seems to be my problem with it. I play way too carefully and dont get anything done or I rush too much or too soon and get sunk. But then again I suck with pretty much every BB I play so it isn't just the Gneisenau. :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #57 Posted October 12, 2017 Overextending in a fast BB is easy to cure. Go at 50% or 75% speed until you really need 100%, stay angled too and be the center of attention in your group of ships. You'll tank a lot and keep speed with everyone else. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DUSD] LongJohn_ Players 369 posts 7,382 battles Report post #58 Posted October 12, 2017 44 minutes ago, Negativvv said: Overextending in a fast BB is easy to cure. Go at 50% or 75% speed until you really need 100%, stay angled too and be the center of attention in your group of ships. You'll tank a lot and keep speed with everyone else. Yep. Still learning. Some decent games recently. Allthough I've been playing with CVs and DDs recently. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #59 Posted October 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, LongJohn_ said: Yep. Still learning. Some decent games recently. Allthough I've been playing with CVs and DDs recently. :) You can run away angled and vary your speed to bait people to chase you, it will take a lot to kill a BB doing that. The amount of times I've seen one ship halt half a team as they all chase instead of capping... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CG] Redcap375 Players 4,371 posts 15,291 battles Report post #60 Posted October 12, 2017 Loved the Gne (tanky and very good secondary) but sold it as i also loved the Sharn and it brings more money into the pot I see too many people sit back in this thing (like yesterday). Even when the team is pushing. The Gne NEEDS to be at the front leading the charge and tanking, not behind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oely001 Players 3,015 posts 7,832 battles Report post #61 Posted October 12, 2017 Point is that you have to play a ship to its strengths, and her strength is the enormous capacity to tank. Gneisenau is the sponge to absorb enemy shells to keep your teammates alive. There are few ships which are to be played as aggressively as the Gneise. The difficulty lies in surviving as long as possible in this sponge role, and to squeeze as many HP out of the heals as possible. Gneisenau shines when she is hightier and when she can push, while being lowtier she becomes very mediocre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #62 Posted October 12, 2017 Gneisi actually plays very similar to the Hood. Both are supremely tanky BBs that are lighting fast. Hood has more accurate guns and is a mid range machine whereas Gneisi can get a bit closer to brawl when the time is right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TPG] MiniBrit Players 63 posts 12,079 battles Report post #63 Posted October 12, 2017 Nice bate bit more effort wouldn't go amiss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CUP2D] flip_66 Players 433 posts 15,912 battles Report post #64 Posted October 16, 2017 On 14.9.2017 at 8:11 PM, Grandorf said: There is absolutely no way to play this awful ship. After 62 games my winrate is 36% in this piece of junk. WHAT? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sydd Players 68 posts 2,173 battles Report post #65 Posted October 25, 2017 Now I feel a bit retarded for liking this ship. I bought the torpitz when it was released and played it similarly to her, good god the first few games.... it was a nightmare. But after I upgraded the hull, I started to play her better. She's truly a magnificent ship the biggest advice would be to play alongside your team. She's fast, has pretty slick armor, has those torps... speaking of which, despite how obvious it is that gnei has torps, you'd be surprised how many cruisers and dds I've surprised. I've even torp dueled with a dd and won (it happened only once) and he missed his torps from 2km range. Seriously, gnei is a great ship, just stick with your team and play supportively when you're on the bottom of the mm. Wait till you get the bismarck. She's such a hilarious ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-F] Clawgr Players 100 posts 14,533 battles Report post #66 Posted October 26, 2017 You are kidding me.. Maybe you dont know its strengths.. It has one of the most tanky trolliest armor in the game (tougher than Bismark/Tirpitz), its AA is top for its tier(for a BB) it has very fast rotating guns and its very fast. It surely aint a damage dealer, but its a very good brawler. you should be hunting cruisers though and you shouldn't force your way in to torp (its a nice tool but you really want to be defending yourself with this). Or target a Nagato/Colorado as they are slower and helpless, if you got support. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,213 battles Report post #67 Posted October 27, 2017 It's not the ship it's the player. Yesterday I had a game in which a 3/4 health Gneisenau refused to close in on a Cleveland. Yes, a ship armed with torpedoes and powerful secondaries refused to get close to a cruiser that had nothing comparable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTT] tsounts [TTT] Players 1,711 posts 34,848 battles Report post #68 Posted October 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Aragathor said: It's not the ship it's the player. Yesterday I had a game in which a 3/4 health Gneisenau refused to close in on a Cleveland. Yes, a ship armed with torpedoes and powerful secondaries refused to get close to a cruiser that had nothing comparable. I see many such cases these days no matter the tier and many times matches are lost just because of incompetent players playing very good ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oely001 Players 3,015 posts 7,832 battles Report post #69 Posted October 27, 2017 4 hours ago, Aragathor said: It's not the ship it's the player. Yesterday I had a game in which a 3/4 health Gneisenau refused to close in on a Cleveland. Yes, a ship armed with torpedoes and powerful secondaries refused to get close to a cruiser that had nothing comparable. It's all about wrong instincts: If you face a HE-spamming cruiser, you must get closer to him! He can hit you at any range (up to his max range), but you can hit him better at close range. Many BB players instead turn and try to increase distance. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POI--] aidenthedestroyer Players 767 posts 7,825 battles Report post #70 Posted October 27, 2017 On 16/09/2017 at 9:13 AM, Negativvv said: Sounds like OP missed the Bismarck campaign, WG claim they gave out over 60 thousand Bismarcks In an alteranate universe they mean :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Estaca_de_Bares Players 1,534 posts 25,837 battles Report post #71 Posted October 27, 2017 As others have already pointed out, Gneisenau's proper gamestyle is slightly counterintuitive and contrary to instincts: her best role is the mid-to-close range support of own CAs and DDs being as fast and tanky as she is, not to mention the good secondaries and AA for staying alive in a multithreat environment. In that regard Bismarck is basically the same thing scaled up, with some things better (secondaries and hydro), some slightly worse (not as tanky tier-to-tier when angled and comparatively worse performing AA) and currently a pretty nasty MM. It's not the ship's fault that many players play letting their limbic system take control of the process instead of their cortex, or more specifically their "risk/damage avoidance" part of the limbic system. Salute. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-OOF-] Miscommunication Players 550 posts 6,675 battles Report post #72 Posted October 27, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 1:36 AM, Aragathor said: You were either very lucky or the enemy CV very dumb. Flying planes around the Gneisenau is almost as smart as flying them around a Cleveland. I managed to destroy 55 planes with my Gneisenau in a recent battle. There were two CVs per team however. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #73 Posted October 27, 2017 2 hours ago, aidenthedestroyer said: In an alteranate universe they mean :P Well it's possible world wide. I imagine 30k of the 60k are on the RU server... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,213 battles Report post #74 Posted October 27, 2017 7 hours ago, Oely001 said: It's all about wrong instincts: If you face a HE-spamming cruiser, you must get closer to him! He can hit you at any range (up to his max range), but you can hit him better at close range. Many BB players instead turn and try to increase distance. There's also projecting one's own experience onto the other player. I have a dedicated Gneisenau captain, and I love the playstyle. But I had to adapt and read up on sigma values and dispersion and all the other things that make Gneisenau an unique experience. Others might not do that. 5 hours ago, Negativvv said: Well it's possible world wide. I imagine 30k of the 60k are on the RU server... If one considers 4 servers, 60K doesn't look impressive. 15K per server looks quite realistic, even if Europe and Russia earned the lion's share. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #75 Posted October 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, Aragathor said: There's also projecting one's own experience onto the other player. I have a dedicated Gneisenau captain, and I love the playstyle. But I had to adapt and read up on sigma values and dispersion and all the other things that make Gneisenau an unique experience. Others might not do that. If one considers 4 servers, 60K doesn't look impressive. 15K per server looks quite realistic, even if Europe and Russia earned the lion's share. I sadly sold my Gneisi the other day, even though I bought Prem Camo for her. I insisted on using her as a mid range stealth like BB instead of as a brawler like how she's probably meant to be used as. Quite simply, I found HMS Hood does that task far better as the guns are more reliable and Hood amazingly has an even stronger tank... The Tirpitz is still playable as a mid range BB troll ship however. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
