Why is Gneisenau so worthless?

[Grandorf]

5 hours ago, Negativvv said:

Sounds like OP missed the Bismarck campaign, WG claim they gave out over 60 thousand Bismarcks 

I tried WoWs when it first came out and I didnt like it. 

Started again this summer and got hooked badly. 

I eagerly did the Bismarck campaign just to get the skins. 

However because I had only low-tier ships I was unable to get actual Bismarck.

[Oderisson]

I had to take a look at my gneissenau stats when i saw topic name. Win rate 60%(okay-ish, better than my average), avg dmg 69k, k/d2,1.

 

As far its my favourite ship. You justh have to play it as a brawler. You have to few guns to fire a salvo and hope to hit massive score, You need to get close and personal. Oh and torps. Cruisers tend to rush you less, if they know you will be taking them with you.

[aboomination]

Kept her and specced her fully AA (aa mod 1+2, manual AA, AFT, BFT, double fighter > AA rating 93) in case some division mate wants to play his Scharnhorst. For fun and giggles.

[yahooooo]

I really want to like this ship, but the game does not let me. I tend to have some very nice and fun games, but I can't get my WR up. It's cursed.

Quite like the Friedrich. Up until the end of the grind, I liked the ship and did quite well in it, but you just don't see it in the stats. Hope that GK is better.

[almitov]

On 9/17/2017 at 1:12 PM, yahooooo said:

I really want to like this ship, but the game does not let me. I tend to have some very nice and fun games, but I can't get my WR up. It's cursed.

Quite like the Friedrich. Up until the end of the grind, I liked the ship and did quite well in it, but you just don't see it in the stats. Hope that GK is better.

 

I did not like the Gneis either - poor accuracy and only 6 guns wasn't my cup of tea. Also I did not have a secondary spec at the time, so I usually missed a lot and then made a YOLO run with torps at enemy BBs. With secondary spec I imagine it would play more or less like the Scharnhorst, which I find pretty good at bullying other ships at close range.

As for your comment about FdG and GK - yes, GK is a major upgrade to an already very good ship (FdG). You will like it :)

 

[MuddyMo]

Because crapenau combines both german dispersion with a low amount of main guns,

Apparently the speed armor and torps are supposed to make up for the lack of guns, but you know what most potatoes do with the gneisenau.......

[Mr_Tayto]

Shocked at this thread, I'm sorry to say I think it must be PEBKAC...

 

Gneis is a fantastic ship, play her smart and push (always push) at the right time and she is lethal. I have a 60% winrate and she's in my top 5 for ships I can carry in, and I'm a potato.

 

Angle, choose the right target and spec secondary so that you can do DoT the whole time. When you are bumrushing IJN and US BBs, point straight at them until you can guarantee torp hits, wait until they's fired and delete. I know the KM BBs have a poor reputation for accuracy but you're firing every 25s anyway, just keep your finger on the trigger.

[SinkTheOthersNotMe]

Edited .....

Looking at it from another angle

1 Horrible WR: Means not contributing to the team's effort..........

2 Abyssal damage especially with German BB with decent survival rate -> means useless BB camping and sniping while his cruisers/DD get slaughtered, hilarious given German BB are much better the closer they get..........Horrible average kills but that is not surprising.

 

The ship is not the issue, the player is as usual..............scared of having your shiny German BB's paint scratched? Fine but then don't be suprised if you are a tomato.

 

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inflammatory remarks.

 

[puxflacet]

i'm just mediocre player but recently i found out that i broked my damage record with her

 

whats good about her:

1. tier 7
2. literally op aa
3. great speed
4. solid armor
5. torpedos
6. decent secondaries

 

...i think the 6 german guns may be actually the only weakness she have

[_VAMPA_]

On 9/14/2017 at 9:11 PM, Grandorf said:

There is absolutely no way to play this awful ship. After 62 games my winrate is 36% in this piece of junk. 

You cant hit anything with those buckshot 6(!) guns.

Secondly you are main target in every game. Its like a minigame "Get Geneisenau".

Thirdly your whole team relies on you and you have to basically take on the enemy alone.

 

Its so gonna get sold after I get Bismarck.

poor you.

you think that bismarck guns are better?

focus secondarys and use your torps, they are not put on that boat for decoration and always at "full throttle"

 

Spoiler

 

[Blakk76]

I haven`t played much lately on Gneisenau, but when I was playing it-it was formidable...I even let her stay in my port after upgrade to Bismark

Gneisenau-Probably most aggressive ship in the game

[Pte_Maylam]

I won't say she's a bad ship, but I had the Tirpitz before her and I found her guns to be hideously inaccurate and I found myself mourning the loss of the 4th gun. Her secondaries were powerful but her main battery let her down up close by being inclined to overpen and turn slowly. I utterly hated Gneisenau and was more than happy to free xp her. Conversely I loved the Bismarck for all that I made easy meat for a Yamato, I found that a very comfortable ship to play. She still fired like a shotgun but the two extra shells made an awfully big difference when you were only throwing out 6 of them before.

[TekumzeWolf]

Gneisenau main guns are very unreliable for dealing damage(as you found out) so to get the max out of the ship you need to push and use your secondaries and torps to bully other BBs.

 

The trick(for me) is in the timing and location of your push. If you yolo straight up without support into an unknown enemy you'll get focused and killed.

You have to pay attention to the map and the positioning of your fleet as well as the enemies.

 

While you probe the defenses you’ll have time to observe your own fleet and see if you will have the support should you decide to push in.

 

Try not to run somewhere where nobody can help you. It’s very easy to outrun your support(you’re a fast ship) if you chase the enemy for too long (goes for all ships not just Gneisenau). They will always try to drag you out into their whole fleet (if they can). Slow down and disengage if you have to wait for your teammates to catch up.

 

It’s a thrilling experience getting into a close range battle against one or two BBs making them panic while your cruisers are free to do damage.

Cruisers tend to follow the lead if they are not the focus of BBs attention and this is where positioning is crucial (not being shot by the whole fleet but just the group you want to kill).

 

It’s very satisfying getting out of the engagement with like 10-20% HP with multiple enemy ships sunk (by you or your support).

 

PS: I had my problems with this ship.. especially until my captain was skilled enough to use 8km secondary range effectively.

[Xeyco]

funny that u all think its so good but at the current meta its not even averge... a lot of loltorp scums and sniping bbs out there. so there is not much room left for "push or brawl" not to mention the rn bb op he spammin bulls hit thats going on every single game...

[Deckeru_Maiku]

Always funny to see that some players say a ship is terrible and they don't get it to work, while others just seem to do good to great in it...

For me it's a mix. Seems I often end up in terrible teams with my Gneisi, so it is one of the few ships I have with a < 50% winrate. But I do a really satisfying amount of damage in it. 32% hit rate for the main guns and 16% hit rate with torps ain't that shabby for me.

 

Add to that, I enjoy playing battlecruisers - so the Gneisenau is a keeper for me.

[lafeel]

@Deckeru_Maiku As a rule of thumb I have found the more games you play in a ship the more you (usually) come to grips with her.

[Merlin851526]

On 23/09/2017 at 6:58 AM, SinkTheOthersNotMe said:

Another useless thread where a tomato is shouting 'that ship is crap' when in fact the problem is himself..............L2P......plenty of guides around.....

Looking at it from another angle

1 Horrible WR: Means not contributing to the team's effort..........

2 Abyssal damage especially with German BB with decent survival rate -> means useless BB camping and sniping while his cruisers/DD get slaughtered, hilarious given German BB are much better the closer they get..........Horrible average kills but that is not surprising.

 

The ship is not the issue, the player is as usual..............scared of having your shiny German BB's paint scratched? Fine but then don't be suprised if you are a tomato.

 

 

While I wouldn't necessarily agree with the OP I wouldn't resort to name calling because of it. 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I want to play Gnesi as a fast mid ranged BB raider like a Stealth Tirpitz or what the Hood is like now.

 

Whilst I can get Gnesi to work that way, she simply lacks both the guns and dispersion to carry this role off successfully all of the time.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

On 5.10.2017 at 0:47 PM, Negativvv said:

I want to play Gnesi as a fast mid ranged BB raider like a Stealth Tirpitz or what the Hood is like now.

 

Whilst I can get Gnesi to work that way, she simply lacks both the guns and dispersion to carry this role off successfully all of the time.

 

Please, it's not Gnesi... the ship's name isn't Gnesenau or Gnesinau... it's Gneisenau. So it has to be Gneisi.

For all those englishers it is pronounced Gneye_the_now

[RUSSIANBlAS]

11 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

 

Please, it's not Gnesi... the ship's name isn't Gnesenau or Gnesinau... it's Gneisenau. So it has to be Gneisi.

For all those englishers it is pronounced Gneye_the_now

Lol... Ok if that's the correct short hand, Gneisi...

 

I hear quite a few folk pronounce it Gen-izer-now, not sure where they got the Z from!

[Deckeru_Maiku]

16 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

Lol... Ok if that's the correct short hand, Gneisi...

 

I hear quite a few folk pronounce it Gen-izer-now, not sure where they got the Z from!

 

nah.. the Gn should be pronounced like the Gn in Gnarf! And yeah, some might pronounce it with the rather hard german version of the english "Tee-aitch", which usually gives a german away as a german... "Zat is ze way to do it! We haf wayz to make you talk" like in the old Hollywood movies

[bathoz]

I wasn't a fan of the Gneisenau, 

 

For the record, I think the guns transform the best ship in tier to a very medicore one. You need to be able to make your shots count, and it can't do that. (The Scharnhorst almost completely makes up for this deficiency, but loses out of a lot of minor edges in AA/secondaries etc.)

The guns are bad in every way. They're inaccurate, they shell ballistics are counter to the way it should be played (enormous pen and flat arcs make then good when hitting at long range, something that is hard to do in a Gneis, while making it very easy to overpen ships at close range), and – of course – there are only six of them.

But that said, it's not a bad ship. It's speed and the presence that torps + armour + secondaries + agility give it means that it can dictate a battle incredibly well. You just need to get good at working out when and how to push in it. And, sadly, that's the second hardest thing to learn in a BB. (The first, I find, is when to withdraw.)

My only advice would be to spend more of your time in the Gneisenau focusing on understand where you are in relation to the enemy team. Make your minimap is big, try and understand where the enemy could be shooting at you from. Watch your own players like a hawk, because if you're with the cruisers and destroyers, they'll feel a lot braver, until the instant they don't, and then they're all by yourself.

Mostly, don't sit back and snipe. It is an utterly worthless endeavour in the Gneisenau. I cannot think of a single battleship in the game less suited to playing from max range.

[Grandorf]

Hi again.

 

Now I know. This ship is cursed.

I have improved my game in Gneisenau but still losing.

Todays matches:

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

I was going to sell her and melt the 18 point captain down somewhere but I think I'll keep her.

 

Guns behave, it's just that you have 2 less than Bis/Tirp so the dispersion punishes poor aim.

[Grandorf]

20 hours ago, Negativvv said:

 

I was going to sell her and melt the 18 point captain down somewhere but I think I'll keep her.

 

Guns behave, it's just that you have 2 less than Bis/Tirp so the dispersion punishes poor aim.

 

Well, spent so much time with her Im not gonna sell.

VERY tricky to master. So dependent on your teams 

behaviour. NOT a yolo-solo ship like Emile.

 

To anyone going for Gneisenau, what I learnt.

 

Never ever lead a charge, your speed and bad guns will get 

you in trouble very fast. Suddenly your team has changed direction 

and you are far ahead taking shots from 8 enemies unable to do crap 

in return.

Stick together with a bunch of brave cruisers and DDs making life hard 

for cappers or lonely heroes.

Change direction alot and/or hide behind islands and peek 1 enemy a time.

Torp alot.