Why is Gneisenau so worthless?

[Hanse77SWE]

"Genny" bad?

 

Funny, I've never noticed.

[HaachamaShipping]

32 minutes ago, Jean_Bart said:

Gneisenau has speed and armor, nothing else!

Torps and secondaries don't exist, I guess.

33 minutes ago, Jean_Bart said:

It has few inaccurate guns which results in low damage output! Even Sharnhorst is much better, because the 280 mm guns are 9, not only 6 and are much more acurate! Despite the smaller caliber, 280 mm guns perform satisfactory at tier 7!

And yet these guns are the reason why, when we assume equal skill, Gneisenau beats Scharnhorst basically every time, because Gneisenau can at least overmatch part of the hull armour of Scharnhorst, Scharnhorst cannot. Scharnhorst also cannot deal as effectively even with angled T6 BBs or T8 cruisers.

[samphilconlor]

On 4/17/2019 at 6:57 PM, LazyTim said:

As for theories I state, I craft them from my personal experience. When I say my guns miss at 4km ranges, they literately do. When I say that my torps are worthless because not a single enemy is charging me ever, even when I should be an easy grabbing for them, I mean it.

 

I think you are exaggerating I'm hardly a stellar player but when I ground through her roughly half my kills were by torps and secondaries, YMMV but I loved her when I had her in fact I'm going to buy her and the Konig back...... 

[Jean_Bart]

On 11/16/2019 at 1:09 PM, Sleepy_Bunny said:

Torps and secondaries don't exist, I guess.

Every player with a bit of common sense (and WR > 50%) is well aware that Gneisenau has torps and will avoid engagements with it at distsnces of 6 km or less!

On 11/16/2019 at 1:09 PM, Sleepy_Bunny said:

And yet these guns are the reason why, when we assume equal skill, Gneisenau beats Scharnhorst basically every time, because Gneisenau can at least overmatch part of the hull armour of Scharnhorst, Scharnhorst cannot. Scharnhorst also cannot deal as effectively even with angled T6 BBs or T8 cruisers.

Gneisenau cannot beat Sharnhorst on equal terms! Despite the smaller guns, Sharnhorst hits better and more often!

I am not afraid to take on Gneisenau with Fuso, New Mexico or Arizona and I eat it alive every time!

 

Gneisenau has abysmal DPM! Sharnhorst and many other BBs, even from lower tiers surpass it by great margin!

 

Gneisenau's guns are too few, too inaccurate and the higher (by no means highest) caliber cannot overcome the many deficiencies!

Even if we assume the Gneisenau's guns are equally accurate as let's say Queen Elizabeth's, it still has too few gun barrels and their rate of fire is not high enough to get Gneisenau back in the game!

Wait... if one is into "bigger guns, precise hits, overmatch = more damage", Colorado and Nagato are much better in that role than Gneisenau!

32 minutes ago, samphilconlor said:

 

I think you are exaggerating I'm hardly a stellar player but when I ground through her roughly half my kills were by torps and secondaries, YMMV but I loved her when I had her in fact I'm going to buy her and the Konig back...... 

Where is that lampoon from?!

What does it express?!

Your best match ever with Gneisenau?!

With most of my BBs i have main battery hit ratio exceeding 30%!

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Jean_Bart said:

Every player with a bit of common sense (and WR > 50%) is well aware that Gneisenau has torps and will avoid engagements with it at distsnces of 6 km or less!

Gneisenau cannot beat Sharnhorst on equal terms! Despite the smaller guns, Sharnhorst hits better and more often!

I am not afraid to take on Gneisenau with Fuso, New Mexico or Arizona and I eat it alive every time!

 

Gneisenau has abysmal DPM! Sharnhorst and many other BBs, even from lower tiers surpass it by great margin!

 

Gneisenau's guns are too few, too inaccurate and the higher (by no means highest) caliber cannot overcome the many deficiencies!

Even if we assume the Gneisenau's guns are equally accurate as let's say Queen Elizabeth's, it still has too few gun barrels and their rate of fire is not high enough to get Gneisenau back in the game!

Wait... if one is into "bigger guns, precise hits, overmatch = more damage", Colorado and Nagato are much better in that role than Gneisenau!

Where is that lampoon from?!

What does it express?!

Your best match ever with Gneisenau?!

With most of my BBs i have main battery hit ratio exceeding 30%!

• Good intentions do not make you evade, you need speed and willingness to give up map area
• this is no 1v1 game
• Colorado and Nagato win less games than Gneisenau, they are even the Tier VII silver ships with the lowest winrating

[Jean_Bart]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

• Good intentions do not make you evade, you need speed and willingness to give up map area
• this is no 1v1 game
• Colorado and Nagato win less games than Gneisenau, they are even the Tier VII silver ships with the lowest winrating

 

1. I want to see how you are going to torp my Colorado or Nagato with your Gneisenau!

You can chase me as much as you want, despite your faster speed, my superiour guns will shred your ship well before you close in to torp distance!

(in real life Sharnhorst was shreded by the otherwise mediocre HMS Duke of York)

 

2. It is not 1 vs 1 game but again what more does Gneisenau do than just about any other BB on its tier?!

 

3. Both Colorado and Nagato are better than Gneisenau in just about any respect (especially accuracy, penetration and DPM)!

 

P.S. I provided enough arguments, but you didn't provide any except "it is like that because i say so"! You are the one losing face now!

[ColonelPete]

As usual, no counter argument. Just speechlessness. You make it too easy

[Hanse77SWE]

Doing well in a ship doesn't mean I like it and liking a ship doesn't mean that it's good. Don't mix the two up.

 

This is just another "I don't like this ship therefore it must be crap"-thread. Players assuming that everybody must think/feel like them. Well, it's not so please stop it. You're not helping anyone, at least yourself.

[ColonelPete]

7 hours ago, Jean_Bart said:

1. I want to see how you are going to torp my Colorado or Nagato with your Gneisenau!

You can chase me as much as you want, despite your faster speed, my superiour guns will shred your ship well before you close in to torp distance!

(in real life Sharnhorst was shreded by the otherwise mediocre HMS Duke of York)

 

2. It is not 1 vs 1 game but again what more does Gneisenau do than just about any other BB on its tier?!

 

3. Both Colorado and Nagato are better than Gneisenau in just about any respect (especially accuracy, penetration and DPM)!

 

P.S. I provided enough arguments, but you didn't provide any except "it is like that because i say so"! You are the one losing face now!

1. Yes, run! Leave your caps to my team. 
2. As I said, she wins. 
3. They just win less as shown in my post from Saturday... , btw Colorado and Nagato have a significant lower hit rating, only Sinops is higher than Gneisenau, Colorado also sinks less ships
4. No, I do not just say so. That is what is happening. You can look up the stats.

 

I suggest you stick to downvoting. At least that is something you are good at 

[HaachamaShipping]

11 hours ago, Jean_Bart said:

1. I want to see how you are going to torp my Colorado or Nagato with your Gneisenau!

You can chase me as much as you want, despite your faster speed, my superiour guns will shred your ship well before you close in to torp distance!

(in real life Sharnhorst was shreded by the otherwise mediocre HMS Duke of York)

 

2. It is not 1 vs 1 game but again what more does Gneisenau do than just about any other BB on its tier?!

 

3. Both Colorado and Nagato are better than Gneisenau in just about any respect (especially accuracy, penetration and DPM)!

 

P.S. I provided enough arguments, but you didn't provide any except "it is like that because i say so"! You are the one losing face now!

1. Even without torping you, Gneisenau is faster and will close the distance. The Gneisenau is mostly armoured enough to not give a damn about your shells when angled properly and your ship is not. At 8 km, the secondaries open up with 31 mm base pen, so you constantly bleed hp, as both Nagato and Colorado are 25 mm all over. In the end, I do not need the torps to bully you away and get a favourable exchange. Btw, this also shows why the Scharnhorst is not necessarily the better ship, as you can neither overmatch, nor do most of your secondaries pen a thing.

 

2. It can bully other ships away when played properly. It's not completely braindead, but properly played, it has quite the impact.

 

3. And neither has the armour or speed, nor torps or good secondaries. They are basically on the other end of the design spectrum, putting emphasis on main battery over everything else. Which when properly uused is quite good, I still have both ships and like playing them from time to time, but Gneisenau is certainly competitive.

[Grossadmiral_H_invader]

Vor 12 Stunden, Jean_Bart sagte:

 

1. I want to see how you are going to torp my Colorado or Nagato with your Gneisenau!

You can chase me as much as you want, despite your faster speed, my superiour guns will shred your ship well before you close in to torp distance!

(in real life Sharnhorst was shreded by the otherwise mediocre HMS Duke of York)

 

2. It is not 1 vs 1 game but again what more does Gneisenau do than just about any other BB on its tier?!

 

3. Both Colorado and Nagato are better than Gneisenau in just about any respect (especially accuracy, penetration and DPM)!

 

P.S. I provided enough arguments, but you didn't provide any except "it is like that because i say so"! You are the one losing face now!

1.

An isolated Colorado is completely easy prey. How many Hits will you land before Gneisenau is within 6 km? 2? 
Beside that, Gneisenau bow on just shits on your 40.6 cm Guns, since it is practically impossible to hit the tip of the nose that is not plated with 60 mm.

 

If Scharnhorst got shredded by DOY, it was played wrong. The british armor is a joke. Especially for Gneisenau. 3 Citadel hits on KGV with a Bayern? No problem, 25 mm bow plating of the RN BB are just overmatched by anything above 35.6 guns.

 

2.

Gneisenau is completely unique in its tier. After Iowa, it is the fastest BB in the whole game. With speed flag it is what.... 12 knots faster than Colorado?

Combine that with turtleback, torps and Guns that might be trollish at range, but have excellent pen, and you have the ultimate flanking tool and very flexible ship. 
 

The ship also has very strong AA for its Tier. 
 

3.

Is just nonsense.

 

Every ship in world of warships is situational, some more, some less. All those DPM values and papersheets stop mattering, when you actually play the ships.

 

For example, try the IJN Tier 5 cruiser, Furutaka. DPM is worst of Tier V cruisers, range is not too good either, but nevertheless the ship is just completely OP for its tier. Zao Grenades, Tier 8 cruiser armor.

 

 

Nagato and Colorado are strong ships, no question. But the Colorados armor is a goddamn joke. You are slow, clumsy and coated in 25 mm plating, that every cruiser is looking for. I have wiped out New Mexicos and Colorados with my Nürnberg in no time. You just eat them alive.

Try that with a Gneisenau.... Rather difficult.

 

Against heavy AP, the Colorado is also vulnerable. From long distances due to the notoriously thin US deck armor, at close ranges due to the plating and lacking bow armor.

 

Gneisenau is an exceptionally ship in every respect, that is why wargaming gave it trollish dispersion, only 6 guns of 38 cm. Everything else would make the ship borderline OP.

 

Colorado is the opposite. It is a slow, clumsy, poorly armored world war 1 ship. The only strenghts are the ability to turn on a dime, good torp protection and good guns.

 

If it werent for the guns, Colorado would be way underpowered.

 

Nagato.... somewhat faster, but really really no armor at all. I once almost devastated an off guard Nagato with my Graf Spee.

 

The guns are strong and more reliable compared to colorado. But she lacks AA.

 

The Lyon I dont know.

 

The problem with Gneisenau is the fact, that they are way more difficult to play. With a Colorado, you are pretty inflexible. Due to the speed you have to go to a central position and fire at the best targets. For anything else, the ship is just too slow.

 

With Gneisenau, you are trenendously fast and only effective, when in close combat. Now, brawling is one thing, but getting into that position alive is something different. You need way more map awareness, everything is way faster and since you are flexible, you have to make the most out it, to use the ship as concepted.

 

I see a lot of Gneisenaus misplayed criminally. Either players bordergrind them or suicide in the first minutes.

 

Watch Flamus new video to understand the strenghts of Gneisenau.

[Grossadmiral_H_invader]

I would summarize, that Gneisenau is probably the most tricky Tier 7 BB to play effective, but she also has the highest potential of all Tier 7 BBs, if the captain knows what he is doing.

 

Gneisenaus main strenght is to hunt down isolated ships in late game. And against everything up to Tier 9 i had little trouble of doing so.

 

The only BB that counters Gneisenau’s late game hunts pretty damn well is the Hood. It is only .5 knots slower, has superior RN AP angles, a ridiculously fast rudder shift, and hilarious firing angles. 
 

 

 

 

[HaachamaShipping]

43 minutes ago, Grossadmiral_H_invader said:

The only BB that counters Gneisenau’s late game hunts pretty damn well is the Hood. It is only .5 knots slower, has superior RN AP angles, a ridiculously fast rudder shift, and hilarious firing angles. 

Hood is fast as Gneisenau actually.

 

Also, in terms of speed, the fastest BBs are:

• Georgia with speed boost
• French T8+ with speed boost
• Iowa, Missouri and Georgia without speed boost
• Gneisenau and Hood

At its tier, Gneisenau is joint fastest with Hood though and that with a solid margin over most others, as only 3 other battleships go 30 knots or above (Hood, Scharnhorst and Ashitaka), so rest ranges from 4 knots slower (KGV/DoY) to a spectacular 11 knots slower (Colorado).

[Grossadmiral_H_invader]

Oh, my mistake. I thought Gneisenau is rated 32.5 with engine upgrade and without flag.

 

Thanks for clarification!

[Jean_Bart]

On 11/17/2019 at 9:55 PM, ColonelPete said:

As usual, no counter argument. Just speechlessness. You make it too easy

*edit*

On 11/17/2019 at 10:25 PM, Hanse77SWE said:

Players assuming that everybody must think/feel like them. Well, it's not so please stop it. You're not helping anyone, at least yourself.

"The right path is only one, the wrong ones are thousands!" - Persian proverb

On 11/18/2019 at 5:43 AM, ColonelPete said:

1. Yes, run! Leave your caps to my team. 
2. As I said, she wins. 
3. They just win less as shown in my post from Saturday... , btw Colorado and Nagato have a significant lower hit rating, only Sinops is higher than Gneisenau, Colorado also sinks less ships
4. No, I do not just say so. That is what is happening. You can look up the stats.

1. Your team has no use of caps if it is at the bottom of them!

2. Dare to explain how and why exactly?! If you don't, it would prove you have ran out of arguments!

3. All that is brought out of some backside!

4. What stats?! Whose stats?!

On 11/18/2019 at 9:42 AM, Sleepy_Bunny said:

1. Even without torping you, Gneisenau is faster and will close the distance. The Gneisenau is mostly armoured enough to not give a damn about your shells when angled properly and your ship is not. At 8 km, the secondaries open up with 31 mm base pen, so you constantly bleed hp, as both Nagato and Colorado are 25 mm all over. In the end, I do not need the torps to bully you away and get a favourable exchange. Btw, this also shows why the Scharnhorst is not necessarily the better ship, as you can neither overmatch, nor do most of your secondaries pen a thing.

 

2. It can bully other ships away when played properly. It's not completely braindead, but properly played, it has quite the impact.

 

3. And neither has the armour or speed, nor torps or good secondaries. They are basically on the other end of the design spectrum, putting emphasis on main battery over everything else. Which when properly uused is quite good, I still have both ships and like playing them from time to time, but Gneisenau is certainly competitive.

1. When will it close into 6 km or less?! After receiving how many 16-inch shells that can overmatch almost anything up to tier 10, let alone Gneisenau?! Secondaries?! You will not even come close enough to use them in most cases, not to mention they may be withered well before that! "Favorable Exchange" is not exactly what happens when Gneisenau faces other battleships of equal or higher tier!

 

2. How exactly, especially at distances exceeding 8 km where you can rely onlyon your few feeble main guns?!

 

3. Is there anything more important in a battleship, than her main guns (by definition; "all-big-guns")?!

On 11/18/2019 at 10:16 AM, Grossadmiral_H_invader said:

1.

An isolated Colorado is completely easy prey. How many Hits will you land before Gneisenau is within 6 km? 2? 
Beside that, Gneisenau bow on just shits on your 40.6 cm Guns, since it is practically impossible to hit the tip of the nose that is not plated with 60 mm.

 

If Scharnhorst got shredded by DOY, it was played wrong. The british armor is a joke. Especially for Gneisenau. 3 Citadel hits on KGV with a Bayern? No problem, 25 mm bow plating of the RN BB are just overmatched by anything above 35.6 guns.

 

2.

Gneisenau is completely unique in its tier. After Iowa, it is the fastest BB in the whole game. With speed flag it is what.... 12 knots faster than Colorado?

Combine that with turtleback, torps and Guns that might be trollish at range, but have excellent pen, and you have the ultimate flanking tool and very flexible ship. 
 

The ship also has very strong AA for its Tier. 
 

3.

Is just nonsense.

 

Every ship in world of warships is situational, some more, some less. All those DPM values and papersheets stop mattering, when you actually play the ships.

 

For example, try the IJN Tier 5 cruiser, Furutaka. DPM is worst of Tier V cruisers, range is not too good either, but nevertheless the ship is just completely OP for its tier. Zao Grenades, Tier 8 cruiser armor.

 

Gneisenau is an exceptionally ship in every respect, that is why wargaming gave it trollish dispersion, only 6 guns of 38 cm. Everything else would make the ship borderline OP.

 

 If it werent for the guns, Colorado would be way underpowered.

1.

I can land at least 15-20 406mm shells on chasing Gneisenau until it closes to 6 km or less! By that time it would be at the bottom!

406mm guns are cabable of penetrating Gneisenau even at the bow, and even if you bow tank too much Colorado will wither you with HE, just as DoY/KGV would!

 

2.

Gneisenau excells above all other battleships in her tier range only in terms of speed, NOTHING else! That speed may let it escape when facing overwhelming odds, while the most other battleships in the same situation can only fight or be sunk!

After the last carrier update, AA is next to useless as "the bomber will always get through" and the carriers have infinite number of planes! AA cannot stop the attack, nor prevent further attacks, it can only weaken a particular attack by downing a few planes before they hit!

 

3.

"Every ship is situational, but some ships are more situational than others!" (so is Gneisenau)

Cruiser armor is useless, so is Furutaka!

 

Tell me again every respect at which Gneisenau is "exceptional" as you say! There is only one - speed, NOTHING else!

 

"If there weren't the guns..." - are you sreious?! Main guns are the most important asset (or drawback) of a battlehsip!

On 11/18/2019 at 10:20 AM, Grossadmiral_H_invader said:

I would summarize, that Gneisenau is probably the most tricky Tier 7 BB to play effective, but she also has the highest potential of all Tier 7 BBs, if the captain knows what he is doing.

 

Gneisenaus main strenght is to hunt down isolated ships in late game. And against everything up to Tier 9 i had little trouble of doing so.

 

The only BB that counters Gneisenau’s late game hunts pretty damn well is the Hood. It is only .5 knots slower, has superior RN AP angles, a ridiculously fast rudder shift, and hilarious firing angles.

 

"Tricky to play effective" can only mean "underperforming and very situational"

 

Hunting down fleeing ships with superior forces in a battle that is already won - very brave indeed!

 

Hood has more HP, more and better guns and imenese AA defence, which actually does something! Hood is much better than Gneisenau in just about all regards!

 

P.S. By seeing your emblem I can assume why you are praising Gneisenau so much! Just keep in mind that your national pride has nothing to do with game mechanics and how it is "working-as-intended"! That's why russian BBs are made so OP!

[ColonelPete]

On 11/18/2019 at 11:19 PM, Jean_Bart said:

*edit*

 

"The right path is only one, the wrong ones are thousands!" - Persian proverb

1. Your team has no use of caps if it is at the bottom of them!

2. Dare to explain how and why exactly?! If you don't, it would prove you have ran out of arguments!

3. All that is brought out of some backside!

4. What stats?! Whose stats?!

 My post count has once again nothing to do with the topic. Getting desperate?

 

1. Speculation. Giving up map control is usually not the best way to sink enemies.
2. First its a fact. Secondly it should be obvious, when knowing the game: German BB pressure the key points of the map by pushing agressivly (see stats for high spotting, high hit rating, low survival). That threatens all enemy ships pushing agressivly. These are usually DD and CA, where german BB tend to do their damage on (similar kills per battle than BB with more damage). German BB tend to do earlier damage on targets of greater value and either gets them sunk or pushes them away (see point 1). This helps securing caps and map control while drawing fire, which helps DD and cruiser on your team (see tanking value)
3. The backside of the server...
4. If you cannot be bothered to turn back a page or two, that is not my problem. You downvoted the stats in both Gneisenau threads and even qouted the stats in this one. Are you even aware what is going on around you?

 

Btw Hood has also guns with less pen than Gneisenau...

[rnat]

6 hours ago, Jean_Bart said:

"The right path is only one, the wrong ones are thousands!" - Persian proverb

"All paths lead to Rome." -Another irrelevant statement

 

6 hours ago, Jean_Bart said:

I can land at least 15-20 406mm shells on chasing Gneisenau until it closes to 6 km or less! By that time it would be at the bottom!

406mm guns are cabable of penetrating Gneisenau even at the bow, and even if you bow tank too much Colorado will wither you with HE, just as DoY/KGV would!

And it's not like the Gnei can shoot back while chasing your Colorado/Nagato/DOY and lol-pen your casemate and stern all the while right ?

Though she would probably loose against a kiting KGV. Not too many (if any) BBs at that tier would win that fight with any consistency.

 

6 hours ago, Jean_Bart said:

Gneisenau excells above all other battleships in her tier range only in terms of speed, NOTHING else!

[...]

After the last carrier update, AA is next to useless as "the bomber will always get through" and the carriers have infinite number of planes! AA cannot stop the attack, nor prevent further attacks, it can only weaken a particular attack by downing a few planes before they hit! 

She has armor, speed (as you mentioned), both of which are universally useful, she has torps which are situationally and psychologically useful

Her AA is better than most at her tier. Granted that won't protect her but might make a T6 CV go for another target until later in the game.

Also downing a few planes won't weaken an attack unless the squad is already mostly depleted to begin with.

 

6 hours ago, Jean_Bart said:

"Every ship is situational, but some ships are more situational than others!" (so is Gneisenau)

True. The art of playing her is getting her into the situations where she can shine relatively consistently.

 

6 hours ago, Jean_Bart said:

Cruiser armor is useless, so is Furutaka!

That on the other hand is blatant BS. Esp the Furutakas armor is very trollish for a low tier cruiser. (And her guns are brilliant for a T5)

If you really think that you have either never faced a cruiser that had any idea what he's doing or you have no idea how to use cruiser armor yourself.

 

6 hours ago, Jean_Bart said:

"Tricky to play effective" can only mean "underperforming and very situational"

Or it can mean that it actually has a higher skill floor and not just a low skill ceiling.

Take CVs: Undeniably very powerful. But the average carrier player is absolute rubbish.

Other examples would be the Atlanta, Colbert, RN CLs with radar ect.

Though by your argument we clearly should buff CVs then ?

 

6 hours ago, Jean_Bart said:

P.S. By seeing your emblem I can assume why you are praising Gneisenau so much! Just keep in mind that your national pride has nothing to do with game mechanics and how it is "working-as-intended"!

A supposed Frenchman dissing a German ship and praising the navies that won the war for them. How very surprising.

Is what i would say if that was in any way relevant to the discussion and not just a shallow deflection. Keep the ad hominem out of this would you ?

[TohtoriP]

10 hours ago, Jean_Bart said:

 

1. When will it close into 6 km or less?! After receiving how many 16-inch shells that can overmatch almost anything up to tier 10, let alone Gneisenau?!

406 can´t overmatch 32mm plating that a lot of tier 8+ BBs have that Colorado will face. 406mm is no magic "overmatch almost anything up to tier 10" that is just bollocks. 406mm will sure overmatch a lot of high tier cruiser plating but as we are talking about Gneisenau vs Colorado here it is irrelevant.

 

Also 406mm can overmatch only the top part of bow in Gneisenau while Gneisenau 380mm will overmatch all over Colorado 25mm plating and 380mm has great penetration and you thus soon enough eat some citadels it is only matter of RNG here. While Colorado guns are good I would be very serious about my chances if I was alone in a 20kt Colorado against a rushing Gneisenau from lets say 15km away as I would run out of options really soon with closing speeds of over 10 kts if I even managed turn away in time without getting citadeled in the process. Besides kiting Colorado bringing all it´s guns to bear will bleed speed in every slight turn so the more you try put those shells in that rushing Gneisenau the more you will lose speed thus Gneisenau closing even faster.

 

Colorado needs a team to survive while Gneisenau can go on cruise sometimes if you catch my drift. And for the record I did not like the Gneisenau although the platform was excellent the guns were way too trollish for me.

[Grossadmiral_H_invader]

@Jean_Bart

 

Your post is not worth quoting.

 

Apparently you have zero knowledge of the game mechanics.

 

Hidden stats certainly underline your lacking judgement.

 

 

 

 

[lafeel]

Let's not forget, the Gneisenau has once priceless asset over the Colorado: The ability to dictate the terms of the engagement.

 

A asset the Colorado simply can never match as it comes from the Gneisenau's speed.

 

Also, seeing as you are so fond of them, here's a saying right back at you @Jean_Bart "Only fools fight fair"

[samphilconlor]

16 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

The backside of the server...

 

You may not have won the internet but you clearly win this thread 

 

Personally I'm not going to respond to the fool any more as he clearly has no source of information other than counting guns and DPM off the wiki......

 

Not sure why he is speaking of high tiers he's only up to T8 and only has two of those.... I see he marked his account as private to try and stop people looking him up he really should investigate stats sites more....

 

 

[Jean_Bart]

Gneisenau = the worst tier 7 battleship!

 

Ah, wait... it is actually worse than some tier 6s, such as Arizona!

[Karl_567]

Hi there,

 

I am just regrinding the german BBs and while I skipped the Gneisenau the first time I had plenty of fun with it right now.

 

 

Play it aggressive when top-tier, and play it more save when low-tier.

 

Sincerely

 

Karl

[CPL_Sivi]

Colorado will beat gneise only if ge bb made horrific mistake. Actualy more like 5-6 horrific mistakes. In a row. And maybe not even then. Gneisenau is just superior design to both colorado and nagato. Even NoCa can only win vs Gneise if they fight at max range but no Gneisenau skipper will allow that. To clarify, NoCa is short for North Carolina a tier 8 USN bb that i maul in a brawl every time with Gneisenau. And Carolina is way better ship than Colorado. 

Even Jean Bart would go down if Gneisenau jumped it behind island. And it would go down quickly.