Why is Gneisenau so worthless?

[Grandorf]

There is absolutely no way to play this awful ship. After 62 games my winrate is 36% in this piece of junk. 

You cant hit anything with those buckshot 6(!) guns.

Secondly you are main target in every game. Its like a minigame "Get Geneisenau".

Thirdly your whole team relies on you and you have to basically take on the enemy alone.

 

Its so gonna get sold after I get Bismarck.

[ColonelPete]

While I sold mine, since I like Scharnhorst better. The average player does a lot better than you.

You are probably playing her wrong. And yes, using a secondary buildt and taking advantage of the torps is the way to play her.

[GhostRiderMax123]

secondary build and close and engage. this is not a ship you play at range.

[AnotherDuck]

I didn't have a good winrate in the battles I had in Gneisenau, but I didn't lack in damage or kills. Probably just bad luck overall.

 

The guns are awkward, but that's how it is with all German battleships. The Bismarck guns aren't better in that regard, but you've got two more, and better secondaries. Still, you need to learn how to get close in and brawl, without just yoloing. The effective range is closer than any other battleship. Don't stay at range and snipe. It might work in transit towards the enemy, but never focus your strategy on it. If you do get into close range, you're going to win most duels against other battleships, and against some cruisers, since you have torpedoes. They might not kill a full health battleship, but they sure will hurt a lot. At close range your armour is also more effective, as long as you don't show full broadside. Just be careful about other ships with torpedoes.

[Grandorf]

Bayern and König was alright. Emile Bertin is my favorite when it comes to guns. 

What BB-line has accurate fast guns? Also manuverability over tank.

 

This is getting ridiculous:

 

[SV_Kompresor]

Because you're the one playing it

[Affeks]

While Gneisenau isnt the strongest tier 7 BB out there, it is certainly strong enough to handle the competition. While I played it the secondaries had less range and slower reload. I feel it would be even better now than my old impressions.

[Grandorf]

1 hour ago, domen3 said:

Because you're the one playing it

Im only as good as the team. Since no one is capable to carry 

a battle all by himself some sort of conspiracy comes to mind 

when losing 8 out of 9 games in Gneisenau.

[Gnomus]

15 minutes ago, Grandorf said:

Im only as good as the team. Since no one is capable to carry 

a battle all by himself some sort of conspiracy comes to mind 

when losing 8 out of 9 games in Gneisenau.

 

Losing isn't problem. Not doing much in battles is.

When I first got Tirpitz I though I would sail it to a battle to get daily bonus on it before going to sleep. I got that daily win bonus, something like 11 or 12 battles later. Teams were just horrible, and throw away several battles already won. There are times you just won't win and it can get frustrating. That doesn't really matter if you do well in battle. When I checked damage and sinks I had done during those lost battles I had surpassed all my other T8 BB's and had almost double server averages.  

 

Problem is you also have much below server average performance in addition to bad WR. What you do doesn't work. As other have suggested, rethink how you play Gneisenau. It is not weak ship, but it is demanding and doesn't work way most other BB's work.

 

I hope you will find your way with Gneisenau. Don't give up, but think how it works and try things differently.

[AnotherDuck]

1 hour ago, Grandorf said:

What BB-line has accurate fast guns? Also manuverability over tank.

 

What you're describing is a cruiser, not a battleship. IJN and USN BBs have reasonably accuracy for battleships. Haven't played the British ones. But if you're talking manoeuvrability, Gneisenau is one of the best. Drives like a battlecruiser. Reminds me of Kongo, which is also a joy to drive around.

 

20 minutes ago, Grandorf said:

Im only as good as the team. Since no one is capable to carry 

a battle all by himself some sort of conspiracy comes to mind 

when losing 8 out of 9 games in Gneisenau.

 

Looking at your stats, you're not as good as the average team. Try to improve so you're not the one they have to carry. And remember that everyone has bad streaks. Sometimes ships that seem cursed, even if you perform decent in them. Some ships just don't gel with your playstyle. Sometimes you just happen to play them when the meta is against them.

 

Most of all, just see what you can improve, and don't look for excuses. Look at how many battles you survive, and compare it to the average. Do you get whittled down at range, without getting to do much? Play more aggressively. Do you take massive salvos? Learn how to look at the minimap and figure out what angle you should have. Do you die to torpedoes? Change your direction and/or speed once in a while, and don't charge destroyers. If you see a torpedo salvo heading towards you, turn into it (unless you're already heading away, in which case turn away). Look at your accuracy. 30% is a good number to aim for, pun intended. If you learn how to survive, when to tank, and how to hit, then your damage will go up, and you'll have better games, which leads to more victories.

[deadly_if_swallowed]

1 hour ago, Grandorf said:

What BB-line has accurate fast guns? Also manuverability over tank.

 

Not really a BB-line but just a single ship: Scharnhorst. She has it all. Accuracy at her max range is questionable but so is almost every other BB.

 

As for Gneisenau: I played her with a full secondary build and that did not work for me. If I ever got close enough to brawl with my secondaries and torps (btw the B-hull felt inferior in this regard but you need the rudder shift), the main turrets could not keep up the pace. They just turned too slow. Yet I wanted to get close so that my secondaries get some work. As said, it did not work. I switched to aiming module in slot 2, took a more tanky captain, played her mid-range, got over it eventually.

Only much later, I trained her a new captain. One that doesn't work that well with any other ship in that line: I went full AA, 14 points so far: http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/1000000000000010000010000000110019

And let me tell you, this ship is any CV's worst nightmare. You know by now that Gneisenau attracts planes. She is long and fast, hence doesn't turn on a dime like Warspite does, has weak deck armor, has weak torpedo protection. Basically a prime target for any CV. But confront his planes with a whooping 360 dps at 7.5 km, most planes will die even before he can react and retreat (or drop). This way you play at a rather safe distance anyway since you don't push yourself into unnecessary brawls, but you also provide valuable AA protection to your allies. The rest comes with time. Her accuracy is not bad at all but you need to get accustomed to it.

 

Last time I played her, I got a Clear Sky achievement against a... Ranger or Lexington. Can't remember that well but it was hilarious.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I actually like my Gnesi, I use her as a fast mid ranged BB with Manual AA and CE. It's like how I play Kongo and likely a similar method to playing Hood. 

 

At mid range you can choose to disengage or push. Going straight in will get you killed even if the guns are accurate. Your speed and armour mean you can dictate whether to actually fight. The guns themselves will reliably pen same or lower tier BB, they're essentially Tirp/Bismarck guns.

[AnotherDuck]

41 minutes ago, deadly_if_swallowed said:

As for Gneisenau: I played her with a full secondary build and that did not work for me.

 

Only much later, I trained her a new captain. One that doesn't work that well with any other ship in that line: I went full AA,

 

I think full secondary worked, but I only used that build because I was building for Bismarck. And speaking of Bismarck, the full AA build actually works with her. It's not going to be some American plane shredder, but you'll have a somewhat easier time against CVs. Worth noting is that the secondary and AA builds share the BFT and AFT skills, so if you're going full on one, you're going to get decent in the other.

[cometcruiser]

I have recently been grinding the gneisnau, firstly cos my captain was getting close to having manual secondary skill, and I decided to finish the grind towards the bismark.

 

I have had the nau since about a week after the German line came out.  I was running a secondary build. Flag, and module and skill. But I really started to hate the guns. Even close up they started to aggrivate me. 

 

Now I didn't want this ship to play like a mikasa, and just rely on huge secondarys and forget obout the main guns. So last week, after I unlocked manual secondary skill, I thought I would try swapping the secondary module for the accuracy one.

 

Well I dont hate the guns as much. I suppose it feels more reliable, but I couldn't commit and say they are. It's probably a placebo. And now my secondary only shoot 7km.  So I gained some better main guns and lost a few km secondary use.  I might change back. 

 

Other than the gun issue, I might go so far as to say it's my favorite Battleship so far. I love battlecruisers. For me any battleship that is fast and capable of evasive manoeuvring and keeping its guns on target like a cruiser is a dream.  The nau can do 32 knots FFS. and can be slammed about like a Roon, and keep at least four 15" guns on target. 

 

I even bought the 2000dubloon permanent cammo.

[tsounts]

I liked the Gnei on the test server (I'm a Scharnhorst owner).  She has very hard hitting guns compared to her sister ship.

[FAQtime]

I have 42 battles with Gneisenau and i have 55% win rate, it is a good ship ... u have to play close range with it .. more like a cruiser at 32 knots u can make excellent rushes but depends most on your team mates how they playing (campers) i usually move with DD`s and support them. 

My build its different from other players, i have normal BB build  Endurance , no secondary.

I wish the open sea map to be re added in game..  i hate campers...

[von_chom]

its there already and its the worst map around

[Redfoxrommy]

well i can say Gneisenau will win 1vs1 battle againts any tier 7 bb.

[Grandorf]

Guess I have to skip my dreams of playing big bad BBs, 

Sigh, was really lookin forward to get Bismarck. I just cant 

take any more days like this:

 

 

Might uninstall, AW has become really good now.

 

[ColonelPete]

Please play what gives you most fun.

[AnotherDuck]

3 hours ago, Grandorf said:

Guess I have to skip my dreams of playing big bad BBs, 

Sigh, was really lookin forward to get Bismarck. I just cant 

take any more days like this:

 

Bismarck is probably the most fun ship to play in the game.

 

Those days look about like most days in Chappy for me.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Sounds like OP missed the Bismarck campaign, WG claim they gave out over 60 thousand Bismarcks 

[Aragathor]

2 hours ago, Negativvv said:

Sounds like OP missed the Bismarck campaign, WG claim they gave out over 60 thousand Bismarcks 

 

North Korea claims their scientists found unicorns. 

 

I've found that the Gneisenau must be played differently from the previous ships and that gave me a hard time adapting. But it's a good ship when the player accepts he has to be aggressive due to the derp guns.

 

[EsaTuunanen]

On 9/14/2017 at 9:11 PM, Grandorf said:

Secondly you are main target in every game. Its like a minigame "Get Geneisenau".

That's because with its torps Gneisenau is major threat to even higher tier BBs if it gets closer.

[Leo_Apollo11]

HI all,

 

The "Gneisenau" is really good ship - just give her a chance to shine!

 

BTW, I am using my 19 point "Tirpitz" captain on her and I play here very similar to my "Tirpitz". The only problem is that I never finished my grind to "Bismarck" (I think I need just around 5K ship experience) because with latest changes my "Tirpitz" has same secondaries as "Bismarck" and I kinda lost interest in getting her at the moment.

 

Strangely enough my WinRate on "Gneisenu" is highest of any BB I own (above 70% after 80 games)...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"