Someone should maybe tell him what credits are for.

[xxNihilanxx]

Just seen this guy in battle in his Lo Yang and I noticed him get the achievement "Naval War Tactics". Intrigued I had to look at his profile. I guess now we know who WG balance the game for.

 

 

[159Hunter]

At least he's paying for the game ( I guess ). Why anyone would do this, beats me, but hey. His money

[Juanx]

Happens more than you think, I mean, they are not balancing the game for the lowest denominators just for the lulz.

[Egoleter]

So there is a player spending a lot of money on the game, with little experience?

Welcome to the world of F2P games. That's exactly what the premium store is there for.

 

Apparently this user enjoys the game enough to spend a considerable amount of money on it. By doing this the player is giving others the ability to not pay a single cent for the same general content.

Bad or not, this player is always welcome to play in my battles, as a target or as an ally.

 

I hope all that you wanted to achieve with this thread was a: Thank you unknown player for keeping the development and the servers of this game alive with your money.

[ForlornSailor]

 I once had a scharnhorst in my team. I smoked up as Fiji, he gave me (his own teammate, just to make it clear) a full broadside from something like 8 km. I was ofc raging in the chat wth that was, he said, he feels sorry but it is his FIRST GAME and he doesnt know what to do. Looked up his stats after the match - 1 game Always awesome to have ppl like that in your team. Or the one in the screenshot here in his Saipan. THIS stuff really ruins the game for everybody. You shouldnt be able to buy Premiums before reaching a certain amount of games. And even more games needed for higher Tiers. But yea, before someone tells me: ofc im dreaming. WG makes money out of those potatoes so aint gonna happen.

[Blixies]

19 minutes ago, Egoleter said:

Apparently this user enjoys the game enough to spend a considerable amount of money on it. By doing this the player is giving others the ability to not pay a single cent for the same general content.

This might not be a popular opinion, but Gosh darn it's the holy truth!

[Robber_Baron]

As a reaction to this somebody just showed me all red stats of some players with over 7k battles. I almost have to vomit. Some people will never learn. So no, a certain amount of games will not always help.

But I don't get at all why people think it's a good idea to keep on playing high-tier premiums without knowing the basics. I purchased some high-tier premiums before I had enough experience, but I knew basic game mechanics and it didn't take long before I realized it would be better to first git gud on the mid tiers* before returning to high tiers.

 

It is that naming and shaming is not allowed, because I would be excited to have some sort of yearly Razzie Awards, with the worst players around.

 

*And do it still, recently rebought Furutaka to git gud before ruining battles in Myõkõ among others.

[LOZFFVII]

20 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 You shouldnt be able to play Premiums before reaching a certain amount of games.

Fixed for you.

I think it's welcome that they inject their money into the game, but they shouldn't be able to buy tier skips.

They should make it so that what happens with the Friend Sign Up Code Texas happens with all premium ships.

(i.e. Texas only unlocks after your first T5 game in another ship, iirc)

[ForlornSailor]

7 minutes ago, Robber_Baron said:

But I don't get at all why people think it's a good idea to keep on playing high-tier premiums without knowing the basics.

 

Oh its easy. They play a lower tier ship (premium or not) and fail. They see "Oh this is a better ship. I will REALLY do much better in it. Lets buy it". And if that doesnt help, he will skip even higher. And thats how they end up in hightier.

 

7 minutes ago, Captain_LOZFFVII said:

Fixed for you.

 

Yea sure, id personaly go for your solution also, but ppl wouldnt take kindly to that solution i guess.

[xxNihilanxx]

38 minutes ago, Egoleter said:

So there is a player spending a lot of money on the game, with little experience?

Welcome to the world of F2P games. That's exactly what the premium store is there for.

 

Apparently this user enjoys the game enough to spend a considerable amount of money on it. By doing this the player is giving others the ability to not pay a single cent for the same general content.

Bad or not, this player is always welcome to play in my battles, as a target or as an ally.

 

I hope all that you wanted to achieve with this thread was a: Thank you unknown player for keeping the development and the servers of this game alive with your money.

 

I understand what you are saying but, strangely enough, I see things a little differently. Allow me to explain by way of an analogy...

 

So we have a small, local music organisation who decide they want to put on a small, summer weekend, music festival. They don't have the resources to book any big name bands but instead have to rely on relatively unknown local talent. They could try to charge for the event but with no big names to draw people in they know ticket sales will be minimal to non-existent. Instead they hit on the idea of making the festival free and having a beer tent on site that they can take a cut of the profits from, allowing them to recoup costs. Not everyone will buy the over-priced beer, but enough will to allow the festival to be a success, they know - they crunched the numbers.

 

All is fine and people are having a nice afternoon sitting in the sun listening to live music. There are adults with families, having the occasional beer or four, pacing themselves nicely and a general sense of wellbeing hangs over the festival

 

Along comes a group of young lads, just turned 18 and never having drunk before in their lives. They each start hitting the beer tent and hitting it hard. They spend quite a bit of money and before long are inevitably hammered. They start throwing up all over the place, so people cannot sit on the floor, they make unwelcome, drunken advances at all the young ladies trying to enjoy themselves, start chanting football songs loudly during quiet, acoustic sets and ultimately end up starting fights with random people at the festival. Before long people are starting to leave in droves as it just isn't fun to be there anymore.

 

It turns out that these lads have spent about as much each on beer as anyone else at the festival that bought beer but, unlike the people there who have the experience to handle drinking in public properly, ended up spoiling the enjoyment of others. All is well though because at least these lads helped pay for the festival.

[DFens_666]

Only WG knows if those Potatoes stick with the game or not. They buy ships for hundreds of € and they just plain suck. First, i dont understand why would anyone do that, unless they just got too much money and they dont give a f*** about it. Second even if for the sake of trying it out, and obviously cant be that great of an experience since he played only a couple of matches in each of them, why keep buying? Now u spend lots of money for a game u suck in, and i personaly dont understand how this can be fun, will u just keep on playing, just because?

I mean i cant get how this will make fun in the longrun. Id leave the game for sure. But maybe WG starts sending those ppl surveys why they didnt enjoy the game and then they start buffing/nerfing ships as we see here lately

 

 

[Blixies]

2 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

I understand what you are saying but, strangely enough, I see things a little differently. Allow me to explain by way of an analogy...

 

So we have a small, local music organisation who decide they want to put on a small, summer weekend, music festival. They don't have the resources to book any big name bands but instead have to rely on relatively unknown local talent. They could try to charge for the event but with no big names to draw people in they know ticket sales will be minimal to non-existent. Instead they hit on the idea of making the festival free and having a beer tent on site that they can take a cut of the profits from, allowing them to recoup costs. Not everyone will buy the over-oriced beer, but enough will to allow the festival to be a success, they know - they crunched the numbers.

 

All is fine and people are having a nice afternoon sitting in the sun listening to live music. There are adults with families, having the occasional beer or four, pacing themselves nicely and a general sense of welbeing hangs over the festival

 

Along comes a group of young lads, just turned 18 and never having drunk before in their lives. They each start hitting the beer tent and hitting it hard. They spend quite a bit of money and before long are inevitably hammered. They start throwing up all over the place, so people cannot sit on the floor, they make unwelcome, drunken advances at all the young ladies trying to enjoy themselves, chanting football songs loudly during quiet, acoustic sets and ultimately end up starting fights with random people at the festival. Before long people are starting to leave in droves as it just isn't fun to be there anymore.

 

It turns out that these lads have spent about as much each on beer as anyone else at the festival that bought beer but, unlike the people there who have the experience to handle drinking in public properly, ended up spoiling the enjoyment of others. All is well though because at least these lads helped pay for the festival.

Nice analogy. I do see some flaws though.

There would a lot of people on this festival, who would be just as annoying and harmful as these lads, without EVER touching a pint of beer.

 

My point is, why look down upon the inexperienced spenders, when there is already plenty of clueless people (with hundreds of games) who play just as bad?

 

The big spenders are ultimately MUCH more beneficial for the game than your below average potato, right?

 

Thank you all wallet warriors!

P.S.: I've heard that the next premium will be much OP, such power-creep! 

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

9 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

I understand what you are saying but, strangely enough, I see things a little differently. Allow me to explain by way of an analogy...

 

So we have a small, local music organisation who decide they want to put on a small, summer weekend, music festival. They don't have the resources to book any big name bands but instead have to rely on relatively unknown local talent. They could try to charge for the event but with no big names to draw people in they know ticket sales will be minimal to non-existent. Instead they hit on the idea of making the festival free and having a beer tent on site that they can take a cut of the profits from, allowing them to recoup costs. Not everyone will buy the over-priced beer, but enough will to allow the festival to be a success, they know - they crunched the numbers.

 

All is fine and people are having a nice afternoon sitting in the sun listening to live music. There are adults with families, having the occasional beer or four, pacing themselves nicely and a general sense of wellbeing hangs over the festival

 

Along comes a group of young lads, just turned 18 and never having drunk before in their lives. They each start hitting the beer tent and hitting it hard. They spend quite a bit of money and before long are inevitably hammered. They start throwing up all over the place, so people cannot sit on the floor, they make unwelcome, drunken advances at all the young ladies trying to enjoy themselves, start chanting football songs loudly during quiet, acoustic sets and ultimately end up starting fights with random people at the festival. Before long people are starting to leave in droves as it just isn't fun to be there anymore.

 

It turns out that these lads have spent about as much each on beer as anyone else at the festival that bought beer but, unlike the people there who have the experience to handle drinking in public properly, ended up spoiling the enjoyment of others. All is well though because at least these lads helped pay for the festival.

A very good example.

However (yes, you knew that was coming, LOL)  I fear that WoWS may actually in the position that the "group of young lads" are part of the crunched numbers that make the game viable.

I hope that I am wrong.

[RamirezKurita]

Sometimes when I see accounts like this, I do wonder whether they are literally players with far too much disposable income or whether they actually have 2 accounts - one for premiums and one for regular ships.

[Philipp_ab_exterminatore]

Not that many premiums

[aboomination]

1 hour ago, RamirezKurita said:

whether they actually have 2 accounts - one for premiums and one for regular ships.

[RamirezKurita]

Just now, aboomination said:

*snip*

 

My feelings exactly, but it's no less confusing than my other hypothesis. The thing with premiums is that, as they don't require any kind of progression, there's far less impact putting them into a second account. It's not like the regular lines where player might suddenly decide they want to grind back up the same lines over and over on new accounts - they can go straight for the ships they want.

[Philipp_ab_exterminatore]

1 minute ago, RamirezKurita said:

 

My feelings exactly, but it's no less confusing than my other hypothesis. The thing with premiums is that, as they don't require any kind of progression, there's far less impact putting them into a second account. It's not like the regular lines where player might suddenly decide they want to grind back up the same lines over and over on new accounts - they can go straight for the ships they want.

Why the hell would anyone have a seperate account for premiums? you need them to train your captains and for getting credits on your main account

[Major_Damage225]

But still, to have one account for premiums and one for silvers, i just cant understand reasoning behind sutch a logic, then again people get the most unbeliavable ideas. 

 

--p1j you were too fast--

[RamirezKurita]

Just now, p1j2i3l4 said:

Why the hell would anyone have a seperate account for premiums? you need them to train your captains and for getting credits on your main account

 

Don't try to reason with people with large sums of money and little sense. Both potential reasons for this situation don't make any sense to me. Either way, this account has no regular ships, so captain training or credits can't be the real reason they have the premiums.

[Egoleter]

1 hour ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

I understand what you are saying but, strangely enough, I see things a little differently. Allow me to explain by way of an analogy...

 

So we have a small, local music organisation who decide they want to put on a small, summer weekend, music festival. They don't have the resources to book any big name bands but instead have to rely on relatively unknown local talent. They could try to charge for the event but with no big names to draw people in they know ticket sales will be minimal to non-existent. Instead they hit on the idea of making the festival free and having a beer tent on site that they can take a cut of the profits from, allowing them to recoup costs. Not everyone will buy the over-priced beer, but enough will to allow the festival to be a success, they know - they crunched the numbers.

 

All is fine and people are having a nice afternoon sitting in the sun listening to live music. There are adults with families, having the occasional beer or four, pacing themselves nicely and a general sense of wellbeing hangs over the festival

 

Along comes a group of young lads, just turned 18 and never having drunk before in their lives. They each start hitting the beer tent and hitting it hard. They spend quite a bit of money and before long are inevitably hammered. They start throwing up all over the place, so people cannot sit on the floor, they make unwelcome, drunken advances at all the young ladies trying to enjoy themselves, start chanting football songs loudly during quiet, acoustic sets and ultimately end up starting fights with random people at the festival. Before long people are starting to leave in droves as it just isn't fun to be there anymore.

 

It turns out that these lads have spent about as much each on beer as anyone else at the festival that bought beer but, unlike the people there who have the experience to handle drinking in public properly, ended up spoiling the enjoyment of others. All is well though because at least these lads helped pay for the festival.

 

A bad comparison overall, sorry. I will not go into details as there is just to much wrong with it (starting with the fact that the beer, being a replacement for WoWs premium content, has nothing to do with the actual music festival).

 

Players don't destroy the game for others by buying premium ships. Elitists will never like it if someone with lesser skills enters their realm. They will always feel that their gaming experience is somehow lessened. They easily forget that they were rookies once as well, who didn't know where to start and where to best invest their money first. Almost everyone wants to skip to the higher tier ships fast in the beginning.

[Juanx]

11 minutes ago, Egoleter said:

 

A bad comparison overall, sorry. I will not go into details as there is just to much wrong with it (starting with the fact that the beer, being a replacement for WoWs premium content, has nothing to do with the actual music festival).

 

Players don't destroy the game for others by buying premium ships. Elitists will never like it if someone with lesser skills enters their realm. They will always feel that their gaming experience is somehow lessened. They easily forget that they were rookies once as well, who didn't know where to start and where to best invest their money first. Almost everyone wants to skip to the higher tier ships fast in the beginning.

 

You rabble on this elitist diatribe, still, you dont address the subject...Guess we won?

Noobs break the gaming experience for the people that has a bit of a clue, and knows that sniping in that shiny tirpitz is a very bad battle plan. Since this is a competitive game, when [edited] play like [edited], indeed everyone elses gaming experience is ruined.

 

Let us know if you need more mincing, seems you are a special one.

[Egoleter]

32 minutes ago, Juanx said:

Noobs break the gaming experience for the people that has a bit of a clue, and knows that sniping in that shiny tirpitz is a very bad battle plan. Since this is a competitive game, when [edited] play like [edited], indeed everyone elses gaming experience is ruined.

 

Thank you for proving my point.

I'll be the bigger man and ignore the personal attack.

[mtm78]

37 minutes ago, Egoleter said:

 

A bad comparison overall, sorry. I will not go into details as there is just to much wrong with it (starting with the fact that the beer, being a replacement for WoWs premium content, has nothing to do with the actual music festival).

 

Players don't destroy the game for others by buying premium ships. Elitists will never like it if someone with lesser skills enters their realm. They will always feel that their gaming experience is somehow lessened. They easily forget that they were rookies once as well, who didn't know where to start and where to best invest their money first. Almost everyone wants to skip to the higher tier ships fast in the beginning.

I mostly agree with you ( yeah shocker right   ).

 

I am grateful for people paying for content, they keep the game running. In that sense I am happy with the guy described in the opening post. I also don't mind shooting at their broadsides ( I don't like that they get noobprotection now though  ). Yes, I do mind having them on my team, but come on who would not? The issue is how much this upsets you.. if you're so fragile you rage quit, it's your own issue not the guy playing '4fun'. So far so good right  

 

Now comes my only issue: feedback from players like that seems to be as valuable as feedback from players who spend effort learning how to play. So if this guy goes: "I'm losing all these games in my battleships, WG what's this nonsense please nerf destroyers" -> WG might actually find this interesting feedback and cater to it since this guy spend money on the game right.. Yeah no, that's a step to far. Please spend money, please complain about whatever it is which makes you realize you're crap at the game, and please feel like dev's listen to you.... as long as they actually just ignore that 'feedback'.  

 

That being said, I also think it wouldn't be bad practise to limit premiums to tiers you unlocked in silver ships, there are a lot of low and mid tier ships and come on it takes a day to get to tier 5 which is enough to get some interesting premiums ( a weekend to get to tier 6 if you want a mid tier premium battleship ). On the other hand, if MM constantly puts tier 5 against 7 and 6 against 8, why would I recommend getting tier 5 or 6 premiums? 

 

tl:dr If i were asked what people should buy it's either low tier premiums to learn the game in, or tier 7 ( Scharnhorst / Belfast / Blys ( maybe Sims if it's a division player ) ). But I will always be blunt and say if you're bad it would be more fun for yourself to stay on lower tiers and learn some of the basics there before moving up. 

 

 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

1 hour ago, p1j2i3l4 said:

Why the hell would anyone have a seperate account for premiums? you need them to train your captains and for getting credits on your main account

+

1 hour ago, Major_Damage225 said:

But still, to have one account for premiums and one for silvers, i just cant understand reasoning behind sutch a logic, then again people get the most unbeliavable ideas. 

 

--p1j you were too fast--

 

Possible reason: player wants to have nice, pink ratings...

 

When you start an account and play each line from start upwards, you probably will be bad at first, but later get (a bit) better.. nontheless the stats will still include the time when You were a dumb noob.

Enter the "Premium Account". Yes, Your captains are untrained at the start. But with "better" ships and more experience You probably will get better results than starting with T1 ships in every line.

I'm quite sure that MY total stats would be better than they are now, if I would only use Premiums... they are better on my sealclubbing account (Deckero_Maiko)