help a poor guy. scharnhorst or tirpitz

[FiddyBee]

right...so i just started playing wows for about 2 weeks (here and there), after i just quited wot...new premiums every single day, and no other content, plus the very balanced heat spamming russian meds, just destroyed the game for me. now i start playing with the german BBs and IJN CAs plus a bit later i'll start the IJN BBs and german CAs...for start i'd like to get one premium ship mainly for training purposes and some credits...but i just can't decide which one to buy between scharnhorst and tirpitz. I keep watching youtube videos and forum articles on them but no specific info on which would be a better ship for the money i would spend on it. until i heard that scharnhorst has kind of a special matchmaking, as in it's most of the time top tier, but when i check the stats on wg's pedia, it has the normal mm...so is it just a thing of the normal tier 7 matchmaking, as in all tier 7 ships get mainly top tier matchmaking, or is it something particular to scharnhorst. Thanks for any answers you might give me.

[Tyrendian89]

1 minute ago, TheOneAboveAII said:

.so i just started playing wows for about 2 weeksbut i just can't decide which one to buy between scharnhorst and tirpitz.

 

Neither. Please. Just do yourself and everyone in all of your teams a favour and... just... don't. Learn to play the game first, then you can start thinking about high tier premiums.

[Armorin]

Statistically, the chances are you get put in 1 of 2 top tier MM bands. T5-7, or T8-10. Although Murphy's Law almost always guarantees that you will be bottom tier at any range (although not been able to test the latter out in a tier X yet!)

[Donar79]

Just now, Tyrendian89 said:

 

Neither. Please. Just do yourself and everyone in all of your teams a favour and... just... don't. Learn to play the game first, then you can start thinking about high tier premiums.

THIS

 

OP u may don't want to hear this but he is right.

[R3dBaron]

Tirpitz and Scharnhorst are both wonderful ships but I prefer Scharnhorst due to better MM, imho.

 

Anyway, check the special package this weekend at premium shop, you have a pretty good offer to get both plus Graf Spee and Albert plus premium time, doublons and a lot of other things more.

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/premshop/ze-floaty-boaties/

[Kazomir]

Glad to have you here. IF you want a pretty much dumb-proof ship, a German BB is the thing you are looking for. 

 

Great armor and speed makes for a safe gameplay and even a monkey will be able to survive with them.  

 

Of the two, Sharnhorst is the one that is more fun, on account of the fact though, that it requires a bit more skill to play with, since sometimes you'd have to consider very carefully your Ammo choice. Once that has passed, It's one of the most fun ships in the game, and hell of a looker.

 

Tirpitz, or Derpitz, is a pretty straightforward ship. Spam AP, try to get into the huge secondary range, and brawl. If you get torps out before your secondaries have eaten some poor sod up, cool.  Try to have screening DDs in front though. 

 

As most people here have mentioned, try to have a standart tier 8 ship first before buying and learn the game fundamentals along the way. It may happen that you just dont like the game's higher tiers, then your money would be wasted. 

 

"Test the waters" so to say, and then buy.

 

[RAHJAILARI]

You will end up in matches, which are way over your head in those 2. Yes, they are both very good ships, but for starting premium I would advise you to get something from lower tiers first. Tiers 2-5 perhaps would be best. You can always get a Tirpitz later, when you have done the grind up to tier 8 on the regular tech tree. Otherwise you will just end up as canon-fodder in tier 9 or 10 games and be instakilled by the more experienced players.

 

Unlike in Tanks, warships have many more guns and relatively less chances to bounce heavy gun hits so you cannot actually "Tank" as understood in WoT (even in a Battleship) because you will just end up being butchered in 20 seconds by 100+ guns all firing at you.

 

BUT if you are set to get 1 anyway, perhaps Schanhorst would be better to start with, so at the least sometimes you would end up in tier 5 games to farm some exp.

[tank276]

Dude, sry to be bringing bad news.

With the number of battles played the option shall not be Tirpitz or Scharhorst,

it shall be Konig Albert or no premium at all.

Dont do the mistakes that I did skipping tiers by free xp-ing them.

You will miss the games learning curve and it will be late to fix that after u reach your first tier 10.

No offense intended, you are just a new player (we all were once) and you will be a burden to your teams if from tier 2 you just jump to tier 8 through a premium vehicle.

Cheers

[aboomination]

Tirpitz if you're a scrub, Scharnhorst if you're a sophisticated scrub 

Both are good ships but Scharnhorst is way harder to play if uptiered.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

U cant tell someone what to do with their money :)

 

 

 

 

 

[rvfharrier]

Some good advice on offer in this thread so far OP, please take it. This game is not something that can be picked up in just 100 battles, I have 25 times more and there are still new things I learn. You not only have no idea of the specifics of high tier game play but you still need to learn more about fundamental game mechanics and simply how to play the game. You're much better placed to learn in the low tiers where it's infinitely more forgiving and less costly to make mistakes. You won't learn a thing in T9/10 battles, you'll just frustrate yourself and your team mates.

 

No one here means you any disrespect, but everyone is correct when they say you're simply not ready to buy a high tier premium. I would suggest grinding at least two separate lines to tier 7 or 8 before you even consider making this purchase.

[FishDogFoodShack]

If you absolutely must choose between the two, go Scharnhorst, if only because it is much more interesting to see and play against, instead of the common cold of t8 premiums Tirpitz.

[CommanderCorrigan]

Id have to agree here. Play the normal line until you reach the tier of the premium you want there are lots to learn along the way. I didnt buy any high tier premiums until I did, its helps a lot. You can certainly get the Konig Albert its a tier 3 and lots of fun. If you are going to get one besides our advice, I would pick scharnhorst as it has better matchmaking.

[Prospect_b]

Like you said yourself: the matchmaker is an important factor.

This is nothing more than a guess, but I'd say the scharnhorst is thrown into higher tiers (most of them tier 8, seldom t9) about 30-40% of the time.

Tirpitz will see higher tiers way more, like 60% or more, with most of them tier 10, which will be extremely painful.

 

Besides that, scharnhorst is the most beautiful "BB" in game ;)

 

Edit: of course the other guys might be right in saying "just don't" - but if that won't stop you, one more useless BB won't matter that much. I bought my scharn way too soon as well.

[wilkatis_LV]

Simple little tip: don't buy a premium that is higher tier than your highest tier line ship. Made it to tier 5? Buy premiums up to it, no higher. As you'll progress through tiers the gameplay and tactics change a lot, and if you throw yourself in there with no idea how to play the game - it's not going to be fon nor for you, nor for your team

[lameoll]

their bot nice ships but i will pick the scharnhorst. it will be more forgiving for a new player like u.

But i see a lot of ppl advicing you to not do this and i must agree with them tho.

there are a lot of ppl instantly going to these tiers then proceed to be more of a pain for their team then a help.

so il advice u to at least know the basics like knowing how to tank a bit in a bb and not torp behind teammates and sutch.

[PseudoMi]

I bought the Tirpitz when I first lanched the game. Then the Missouri when I hit that amount of experience to convert - pretty fast. Everything was fine. BBs are notoriously noobs-friendly, especially German BBs. It's true you can play BBs with only one hand, or even less, while doing multitasking at home. With patience to read forums and reviews first and learn from videos, then playing in Co-op before joining Randoms, you can be a decent high tier player since day 1. What's more, it can help your progression and exploration/understanding of the whole game faster than anything else. After playing high tier matches you will feel even more at ease in lower tiers grind. Sort of precocious seal clubbing.

 

Thus I would buy again the Tirpitz right at the beginning. It allows to see what is the game about from TVI to TX (thus up the end of each tech tree) and set your long term goals on the game.

[Ferry_25]

indeed: build up more experience before purchase. Get at least to Gneisenau before considering.

as an answer my fav ship is Tirpitz. Overall. I can make it function well even in TX battles. A sensible Yama player will take a charging Tirpitz dead serious. I can vouch for that.

 

Edit: My opinion is that Sharnhorst is a meh ship. I know: lots of people will highly disagree. It's my pov of it.

[Affeks]

Scharnhorst is the most unique of the two.

 

Both have quite similar playstyle however.

 

I'd say Scharnhorst

[tank276]

11 minutes ago, PseudoMi said:

 heck, you can play BBs with only one hand, or even less, while doing multitasking at home.

Indeed , that is how many players play the Tirpitz unfortunately.

They use second hand to do "multitasking at home", fapping that is .

It is your opinion ofc, but I think you are on the wrong track urging a player with 102 recorded battles to buy a tier 8 ship.

No youtube video or forum post can teach you the things you learn in game.

A player with 102 battles sailing a Tirpitz is a liability to his team mates.

He could play the ship in co op only, but who gives 60 bucks to play against bots?

That being said, it is his own money and he can spend it as he wishes.

[PseudoMi]

I repeat : I played the Tirpitz myself with 0 (zero) battles and it was ok and it was fun.

 

Everybody is free to do whatever they like with their game experience.

 

I enjoyed playing Co-op as first matches too, as a basic training experience.

 

In fact I loved the existence of Co-op, ideal place to test and discover your new ships instead of becoming, as you said, a flagrant liability for your team in Random. What should be wrong or frustrating in testing your "skills" against bots first ?

[mtm78]

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help a poor guy. scharnhorst or tirpitz

 

Emden. Maybe a StinkySushi if you really want a premium battleship. As to the discussion which of the two German BB's would be the most beginners friendly: neither.

 

Badly played Torpoid is liability to team, you need some experience to see difference between yolo suicide, kemp bush and snipe with German BB and spotter plane ( pretty common occurrence... sadly ) and actually playing in a useful way for the team. Plus you will face a lot of higher tier battleships and thus you need experience in map positioning and situational awareness or the experience will not be positive at all. 

 

Shinyhorse has way better MM being tier 7, and retains the general tank ability of all German BB's, but due to gun configuration you need experience to know which ammo to use at which targets at what time ( and that on top on 'normal' bb gameplay -> positioning / map control / target priority and so on ). 

 

Get a low tier premium, heck I'd even say wait for October Revolution which will be a tier 5 Russian battleship which seems pretty newbie friendly ( though tier 5 MM is kinda... meh... it's been better lately though but when it's bad it's really bad ). 

[creamgravy]

Shinyhorse by miles.

[Gnirf]

I think it is a difference between buying and playing. I agree with the posts above Bought an Atago when I was new and it ended like the posts above says with poor stats etc but you can as PseudoMi play ccop if the ship is on a fantastic sale, the German package is tempting. However I suggest you grab König Albert while you still can as this ship will go out of sale and it is a very good (too Good so that is why it will be withdrawn). If you are hellbent on buying Tirpitz or Scharnhorst I suggest you go with Scharnhorst as it is lower tier and less expensive but play lots of lower tier ships first before random play. Sure you can dip your toes now and then but be sure that you learn to play first up to say T6 in various lines. If you are broadly experienced you can go say 1 tier above or so as if you play lots of tier 6 ships and have many matches with them you will be uptiered against T8s.  

My answer and most others above are the same to all posts like yours so do not feel particurlarly pissed off, posts like yours comes frequently.

But as I say they are good ships both if you can play them and buying a ship is not the same as playing them if the offer is good enough. I bought both Saipan and Kaga  as Cvs but I will not take them out in random play before I have played CVs at lower tiers more. It will be coop only for these two.

[tank276]

7 minutes ago, PseudoMi said:

I repeat : I played the Tirpitz myself with 0 (zero) battles and it was ok and it was fun.

 

 

It was ok and it was fun for you I guess, was it ok and fun for your team mates if you beached for 15 minutes in an island cause u didnt know the basics of movement since it was your battle No.1 in WOWS as you stated?

"Everybody is free to do whatever they like with their game experience"

Sure ,that was my concluding point, its your money , do whatever u feel like with it, but the OP knows that and he asked the other guys' opinions on  between choosing among Tirpitz and Scharhorst, and I gave my opinion.

Pls remember next time that the Tirpitz on your team that threw a perfect victory could be a guy with 100 battles and dont get mad at him, I apparently do.