Superb Camo that actually works

[hgbn_dk]

 

Simply loves this camo

[AgarwaenME]

That would be nice if ships fought in forests or on mountains.

[hgbn_dk]

Sometimes it is when you're moored you'll need the camo most

 

[Drunken_Jedi]

Just beach next to an island... they'll never see you!

[Thracen]

With the added bonus of looking like you meant too, it's like shame camo.

[procrastinatingStudent]

2 hours ago, AgarwaenME said:

That would be nice if ships fought in forests or on mountains.

 

2 hours ago, hgbn_dk said:

Sometimes it is when you're moored you'll need the camo most

 

Wasn't the whole reason behind the forest camo for ijn, it hide the ships when docked

[AgarwaenME]

6 minutes ago, procrastinatingStudent said:

 

Wasn't the whole reason behind the forest camo for ijn, it hide the ships when docked

 

While that mostly was a little joke..

 

If you look at some of the cammos used in the Pacific then certainly they have a jungle theme about them (the above is more an european style colour scheme though, very similar to some uniform patterns). Not sure if the RN ever really hid their ships much like that, though the german ships stationed in Norway certainly did.

 

Just a random pic of a model on GIS (ye it's a bit big). Can't find any good image of the actual ship quickly, but it looks similar to some book illustrations.

 

 

[Namolis]

I missed a shot on an IJN cruiser on the old (really old) version of Two Brothers once because of the camo. It confused my senses for some reason and I led completely wrong. I felt silly afterwards, but at least that one time it worked.

[RAHJAILARI]

6 hours ago, procrastinatingStudent said:

Wasn't the whole reason behind the forest camo for ijn, it hide the ships when docked

Ahhh. I always suspected as much. Otherwise the green camo would not make any sense...

[SteDorff]

Meanwhile in the America's 

 

[procrastinatingStudent]

1 hour ago, RAHJAILARI said:

Ahhh. I always suspected as much. Otherwise the green camo would not make any sense...

I seem to remember wg talking about this in one of ther video, though that was some time ago I think.

 

Edit: found this video skip to 4 minutes

https://youtu.be/E7FkiQDrCvU

 

[RAHJAILARI]

I feel that WG could actually have more fun with special camos overall, why not get a little bit creative? Examples...

OR

OR

 

You know, just to have some more fun alternatives.

 

[puxflacet]

On 4. 9. 2017 at 0:30 AM, procrastinatingStudent said:

 

Wasn't the whole reason behind the forest camo for ijn, it hide the ships when docked

 

japanese didnt even use any other type of camo (or very sparsely). they camouflaged just harbored ships (therefore the green camos). they didnt believe that dazzle patterns have any effect

 

btw, speaking about weird camos

[jss78]

All or most of the modern Finnish navy uses green camo similar to that. This is because the most probable combat scenario is the defense of the heavily forested coastline.

 

I wonder though why so many of the IJN capital vessels in this game have the green camo. Did they expect to be attacked while at port and not at sea?

 

[RAHJAILARI]

Well, you know... Being anchored at Truk or anywhere near Rabaul while the Americans were bombing and strafing you to h*ll was no picnic. Might quickly make one to wish they could rather blend into the jungle where it's quiet.

[philjd]

Are you guys forgetting that some waters can look green? :)

[Kartoffelmos]

33 minutes ago, jss78 said:

I wonder though why so many of the IJN capital vessels in this game have the green camo. Did they expect to be attacked while at port and not at sea?

 

No, the green camouflage was (according to WG at least) applied in order to conceal the ships when anchored near islands. Tirpitz received the same treatment when she was "hiding" in the various fjords of Norway. The "house-camouflage" (as seen above) is one example of this, while tree/vegetation usage and "IJN-treatment" are other examples:

 

 

Note that the port side of the hull is not painted since that side was facing the shore .

[RAHJAILARI]

Not really forgotten as such philjd, but those waters mostly tend to be on the shallow side, hence seldom hosting any significant naval battles. Though admittedly, you could easily hide smaller ships anchored there with a cunning seaweed camo, for instance.

 

So WG, when are we going to see those? My Hashidate could totally use one. It already has the bamboo-thingys attached anyways.

[shockinhockin]

I recently constructed a model of the KGV and by pure chance have painted it with the exact camo that wargaming used for the prem camo. So that was nice. 

 

I mean it's nice if you ignore the fact that the camo was from 1945 and the ships model in game is probably 1940.... but hey ho details I guess 

[rage1750]

Hmmm

 

Mean green and unseen.

Nobody here but us trees.

Looking natural.

Replanting.

Now you see me, soon you wont.

 

 

It's a ship, not a mirage tank 

[puxflacet]

2 hours ago, jss78 said:

I wonder though why so many of the IJN capital vessels in this game have the green camo. Did they expect to be attacked while at port and not at sea?

i stated the reason right above your post

 

it doesnt matter which colors are on the camo. what matters are shades of the colors. there has to be dark shades contrasting with very bright shades which creates the optical illusion which distorts the silhouette of the ship and thus impede proper targetting. therefore black and white patterns were used mostly. this camo isnt trying to hide the ship at all but just confuse the enemy's eyes...

on the other hand if the camo has some green shades it has an advantage because it can also work for harbored ship because it can obviously mask ship's silhoutte on some natural background, but thats completele different principle than the "dazzling". this camo is hiding the ship

 

what i would like to see however are finally proper looking regular camos

 

[T0byJug]

On 03/09/2017 at 9:48 PM, hgbn_dk said:

 

Simply loves this camo

I think you do not realise what camo was for on ships.. Apart from late war IJN Ships camo was not to hide the ship, The paint schemes were to brake up the outline of the ship to make identification more difficult or confuse the viewer as to the Speed/direction of the ship (Example false Bow and stern waves).

Other Populer Ideas were to do things like on Ships like Bismark paint 1 rear Turret a Different Color so it blends in to background so the  ship may be miss identified as a Scharnhorst for example. same was very often done with Multi Funnel ships.

 

[T0byJug]

39 minutes ago, puxflacet said:

 

i stated the reason right above your post

 

it doesnt matter which colors are on the camo. what matters are shades of the colors. there has to be dark shades contrasting with very bright shades which creates the optical illusion which distorts the silhouette of the ship and thus impede proper targetting. therefore black and white patterns were used mostly. this camo isnt trying to hide the ship at all but just confuse the enemy's eyes...

on the other hand if the camo has some green shades it has an advantage because it can also work for harbored ship because it can obviously mask ship's silhoutte on some natural background, but thats completele different principle than the "dazzling". this camo is hiding the ship

 

what i would like to see however are finally proper looking regular camos

 

Imperial Japaneses Navy Did indeed give ships green camo late war to hid the ships in Port. The complete Air Superiority if the USN men' t the IJN needed to try and hide there ships when in there ports Like Truk.

 

However apart from IJN late war you are Completely correct in you statement

[Tubit101]

I think that an underestimated effect of camouflage is how it affects crew morale. Decorating ships is an ancient tradition and crew morale on ships is incredibly important.

 

Some examples:

 

The painted eyes of a trireme

 

The dragon heads of viking ships

 

The decorations on age-of-sail warships

 

The shark teeth of torpedo boats

 

I think that even traditional camouflage reinforces a lot of the same effects on crew and enemies. In fact it might even rival the "official" motive of obfuscation. It motivates and makes an impression. That's why I'm totally onboard with the idea of ships in WoWs having more creative and untraditional paintjobs.

[puxflacet]

ships still had a lot of this stuff even during 20th century: bow crests, even stern crests, mottos on turrets, names for turrets...the new italian battleship even has a roman relief on the turret...navy still had strong tradition and was in almost every country matter of national pride

 

there were paintjobs for peace time but camouflage had first and foremost practical use. strictly speaking i had nothing against creative camouflages in the game if they look plausible and dont offend good taste or common sense...but wg tends to go into extremes sometimes