So for an almost a new player without knowledge of how to be victorious.

[General_Hawka]

People took me way too sarcastically when I posted about nerfing Shimakaze and blamed my stats.

Here are screenshots of my stats and ships I usually prefer.

Here are some points about me and my gaming style

1-I don't have a DD ... It's difficult for me to detect torpedoes before I steer to avoid them. And when I play Atago, I'm easily sunk

2-I prefer playing with Scharnhorst, For an almost new comer I achieved Kraken twice with it and sometimes I sink tier 9 ships with it.

3-I don't like following folks like a sheep, but sometimes It's only way to survive since the team can't have a plan.

4-It's difficult to use Enterprise's torpedo squadrons as they miss a lot.

5- I hate hiding behind Islands.

6- Sometimes I become very lucky that I sank a Yamato with 3 citadel hits with a damaged-torpedo-armament Tirpitz.

7-I prefer playing close ranges because I'm not a good sniper.

8- Right now I can achieve total 200k free xp if I charge doubloons and convert the accumulated XP into free XP and with 74k XP on Der Grosse I can open Grosser Kurfurst "Tier 10 German Battleship" which I'm really willing to own.

9- I'm a battleship fan. So yes It's difficult for me to play with low armored ships.

10- As English isn't my first language, following up tutorials will be difficult to listen.

11-How can I avoid Hidden Shimakaze or any other DD in an open water when I'm alerted that I'm detected in a middle of nowhere?

==============

Thank you.

 

[SV_Kompresor]

We weren't blaming your stats per se, you pissed people off because of your lack of knowledge about ships you haven't played yet. Granted, I haven't played shimakaze yet either but from what I've gathered the ship is far too weak when compared to other DDs. IJN DDs tend to have quite a bit of trouble at higher tiers. And you wanting to nerf a ship that actually needs buffing is what triggered so many people.

 

Now onto your question: First things first. From what I can tell you don't have "last know positions" activated so I suggest you do that first. (click the cogs in the top right of the minimap and tick the option). It's going to show you where you've last spotted an enemy ship. Second, if you know for a fact that a DD is trying to torp you, never sail in straight lines. Make sharp unexpected turns (if you can afford them) and try to go either bow in or away from the assumed direction of a destroyer. Beyond that, we can't really help you. You need to learn how to anticipate torpedoes. For example if you encounter IJN cruisers and you see them running away, you can be certain that they've dropped their torps (since they can only fire them behind). I've often been punished by the fact that I just though to my self: "meh what are the chances he fired torpedoes at me", and then I died. You need to figure out which ships have torps that can hit you and anticipate them.

 

Also try getting a bismarck. That thing has hydro which can help you spot torpedoes sooner (your fighter plane can also be used in such a way).

I play BBs as much as CLs/CAs so I know how annoying that "wall of skill" from the shimakaze is, but battleships have it very easy these days. High tier US battleships are almost immune to carriers, and a lot of other ships have been nerfed for oblivion, so you need to think about what you're about to write before you write it, or better yet, just try playing other classes. I know you said you don't like them but realistically, that's the only way you'll learn which classes actually need nerfing or buffing.

And one last thing. It is entirely possible that your premium ships are just too high a tier for your skillset.

The image above shows your played tiers up to tier 8. Do you see the problem? You simply haven't played lower tiers enough to be ready for higher ones.

For comparison this is what mine looks like:

I have quite a bit of games in medium tiers and I've been here since closed beta. Lower tiers are what prepares you for the challange in the higher tiers.

Try playing some low/medium tier ships so you get used to game mechanics. You'll know you're ready to move up the tiers when stuff like this doesn't bother you enough to make threads about it.

Also:

17 hours ago, General_Hawka said:

Right now I can achieve total 200k free xp if I charge doubloons and convert the accumulated XP into free XP and with 74k XP on Der Grosse I can open Grosser Kurfurst "Tier 10 German Battleship" which I'm really willing to own.

I have 3k battles and I don't even own a tier 10 ship. Not because I couldn't get it or couldn't do well in them but because I simply have no need to get them. I really like my tier 8 and 9 ships and don't need to rush things to tier 10. I suggest you don't either. It'll be much more enjoyable for both you and others if you play the ships you're good in, (by wows community standards) and here's a little something to maybe help you pick some new ships. (there may be some mistakes here since I haven't played all of these classes).

 

Cruisers

 

US cruisers:

+Very good AA

+Decent HE shells

-Mediocre AP shells (although can be trollish in the right hands)

-Annoying to play at tiers 7 and 8 (usually most played tiers) because of their lack of armor and concealment at that tier

-No torpedoes (with the exception of tiers 4 and 5)

-High shell arcs

 

IJN cruisers:

+Slightly faster

+Good AP shells and high caliber guns

+Very good HE shells

+Long range torpedoes

+Decent shell velocity

+Good concealment

-Poor torpedo arcs (can only fire them backwards)

-Poor AA

-Slow turret rotation speed

 

German cruisers:

+Good range

+Decent AA

+Very good AP shells

-Mediocre HE shells

-Relatively low armor

 

Russian cruisers:

+Similar to US cruisers but with short range torpedoes

+Big range

+Very good shell velocity

+Low shell arcs

+Good for starting fires

-Poor AA

-Slow rudder shift

-Poor concealment

 

British light cruisers:

+Premiums have HE shells

+Good rate of fire

+Excellent AP shells

+Single fire torpedoes

+High tiers have smoke

+Extremely fast heal

+Very good acceleration

-Very poor deceleration

-No defensive AA

-Very thin armor (can get citadeled by IJN DD HE at low tiers)

-No HE shells

 

French cruisers:

+Decent speed

+Speed boost

+Fast rotating turrets

+Very good artilery range

+Long range torpedoes

-Mediocre armor (nonexistent at tier 5)

-Relatively poor concealment

-Low ammount of torpedoes

-Somewhat easy to citadel

 

Battleships

 

US Battleships:

+Excellent AA at high tiers

+Good armor

+Decent high tier dispersion

-Subpar secondaries

-Slow at low tiers

-Shorter range

-Slightly bigger dispersion at lower tiers

 

IJN Battleships:

+Fast

+Decent accuracy

+Longer range

-Somewhat lacking AA

-Slightly less armor

 

German Battleships:

+Fast turret rotation speed

+Difficult to citadel

+Good reload speed

+Excellent secondaries at higher tiers

-Short range AA

-Relatively small caliber guns

-High dispersion

 

UK Battleships:

 

+Difficult to citadel at lower tiers

+Extremely strong HE

+Very good concealment at higher tiers

-Slow turret traverse

-Mediocre AP at lower tiers

-Low caliber guns at certain tiers

 

Destroyers

 

US destroyers:

+Very good turrets (fast reload, rotation speed)

+Best for hunting other destroyers at close range

-Medium/short range torpedoes at low tiers

-Slow shell velocity

-Rainbow arcs

 

IJN destroyers:

+High shell velocity

+Good damage per shell

+Long range torpedoes

+Good concealment

+Best for stealth torpedoing enemy ships

-Slow turret reload

-Slow turret rotation

 

Russian destroyers:

+Relatively large caliber turrets which allows them to citadel ships easier

+Very fast

+Good gun range

+Good shell velocity

+Best for long range engagements

-Very short range torpedoes until high tiers

-Slightly slower rudder shift

-Poor concealment

 

German destroyers:

+Forward firing torpedoes at low tiers

+Decent turret traverse

+Fast reload speed

-Slightly shorter gun range

-Medium range torpedoes

 

Carriers

 

US carriers:

+Larger squadrons

+Very good for specialized air superiority

+Good at specialized bombing

-Less squadrons

-Slow at low tiers

 

IJN carriers:

+More squadrons

+Very versatile

+Fast at low tiers

-Smaller squadrons

 

[ForlornSailor]

Im sorry but you really wonder people bring uo your stats? I can see 2 big things wrong on your screens within seconds.

1) 15 min in the game, both teams have lost most of their ships, and you have - 12 hits and 35k dmg in a T8 BB?

2) 29k avg dmg overall - way below what it should be concidering you have most games in T7/T8 BBs.

 

Again, im sorry, but it sounds like BBaby whine "remove those DDs cuz their torpedos hurt meeeee". Deal with it, you are their target. PS: Its about 20x easier to hit a DD with your BBs guns when he gets spotted from CV or radared by your team then for a DD to make his torpedos actually hit you... just sayin....

[RUSSIANBlAS]

7 minutes ago, General_Hawka said:

People took me way too sarcastically when I posted about nerfing Shimakaze and blamed my stats.

Here are screenshots of my stats and ships I usually prefer.

 

Here are some points about me and my gaming style

1-I don't have a DD ... It's difficult for me to detect torpedoes before I steer to avoid them. And when I play Atago, I'm easily sunk

2-I prefer playing with Scharnhorst, For an almost new comer I achieved Kraken twice with it and sometimes I sink tier 9 ships with it.

3-I don't like following folks like a sheep, but sometimes It's only way to survive since the team can't have a plan.

4-It's difficult to use Enterprise's torpedo squadrons as they miss a lot.

5- I hate hiding behind Islands.

6- Sometimes I become very lucky that I sank a Yamato with 3 citadel hits with a damaged-torpedo-armament Tirpitz.

7-I prefer playing close ranges because I'm not a good sniper.

8- Right now I can achieve total 200k free xp if I charge doubloons and convert the accumulated XP into free XP and with 74k XP on Der Grosse I can open Grosser Kurfurst "Tier 10 German Battleship" which I'm really willing to own.

9- I'm a battleship fan. So yes It's difficult for me to play with low armored ships.

10- As English isn't my first language, following up tutorials will be difficult to listen.

11-How can I avoid Hidden Shimakaze or any other DD in an open water when I'm alerted that I'm detected in a middle of nowhere?

==============

Thank you.

 

 

 

Firstly you have bought high tier premium ships before you were ready for them but your points:

 

1: Start playing a DD line and go around trying to torpedo ships. It will teach you how to use them and therefore how to counter them as you will see good players not get hit by your torps. Atago needs Priority Targeting and Concealment Expert, if you're being shot at by BB then you stop firing and go back into concealment whilst trying to dodge. You will NEVER win a shootout with BBs so you don't engage them if they are shooting you back. The Atago is an excellent ship but it needs experience to use well.

2: Scharnhorst is great yeah...

3: If your team is sailing all in one direction then you pretty much have to go with them. Intelligent targeting will still help however as will trying to tank for your team.

4: I don't own an Enterprise but I don't think buying one without a lot of CV experience was the best thing you could have done. There are guides on how to use a CV. This guy is good to learn from https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxF2lm5U1ihA5dPzg-rE0OQ and there is a reason why his videos are so long. CV play is complicated.

5: Island cover is important, sailing at full speed all the time is not always a good thing. Sometimes you need to hide whilst your ship repair becomes ready or for your team to catch up etc.

6 & 7: That's a plus, sniping in most BB is a bad thing. 

8: Personally I say wait, play a lot of the game and learn each ship. Free XP skipping leads to bad things.

9: Lower armoured ships are difficult but it's worth knowing how they work, it will teach you about the game.

10: YouTube videos help as you can watch what happens instead of trying to read a lot of English.

11: This has already been discussed in the thread you want deleted. 

[Ferry_25]

Good topic OP. You see people react more friendly when you're not p*ssing acid? I remain with my feedback: you jumped into higher tier premiums and rushed through the regular tiers too quickly.

[AgarwaenME]

People made fun of you not because you have crap stats. But because you paid your way into a tier 9 ship thus bypassing the learning curve, and then whine about one of the worst ship (tier for tier) in the game because you potato into torps which is easily proven by pointing at those potato stats. Being arrogant AND terrible is rarely a good combo.

 

If you'd started with "help, how do I stop being so bad" then people would have tried to give you help, but you didn't, you already had a conclusion, and your weak attempts to say it wasn't meant seriously (especially given your other replies in that thread) just tells us you're not even that honest.

 

The only real help you can get is going back to tier 5, then playing each ship enough times through the tiers to learn the basics. Combine that with also reading up, and watching beginner introduction videos and you might be able to get out of the total potato range. Though sadly you seem intent on bypassing yet one more ship to get right to tier 10, where your teams are even more reliant on you not being potato (yet hilariously you even manage to get in a stab at blaming your teams).

 

If you are in open water, alone, against a high tier DD, then you are going to struggle, and probably get sunk. The issue there isn't ship balance, but you having gotten yourself into that position to begin with. However even then, just using your sonar, spotter plane and frequent adjustments to speed and heading, is going to throw most torpedoes thrown your way from ever being an issue.

[rvfharrier]

2 minutes ago, General_Hawka said:

1-I don't have a DD ... It's difficult for me to detect torpedoes before I steer to avoid them. And when I play Atago, I'm easily sunk

 

2 minutes ago, General_Hawka said:

9- I'm a battleship fan. So yes It's difficult for me to play with low armored ships.

 

You should play them, not only to broaden your skillset but also to understand them. You have a false impression of DDs, especially IJN DDs, by virtue of only ever noticing when you get dealt a tonne of damage by them. Try playing them and you'll find yourself frustrated at how often all your torpedoes miss. Same with cruisers, it will both improve your skills as a player and teach you their strengths and weaknesses. Cruisers are very strong, although they're harder to play.

 

2 minutes ago, General_Hawka said:

8- Right now I can achieve total 200k free xp if I charge doubloons and convert the accumulated XP into free XP and with 74k XP on Der Grosse I can open Grosser Kurfurst "Tier 10 German Battleship" which I'm really willing to own

 

I highly recommend you don't. You would do better by doing the opposite, slowing your rate of advancement and spending more time in the lower tiers to learn the game better. Take your time and browse/ask questions on the forums to learn. Rushing to tier 10 before you're ready doesn't do anyone any good. Neither yourself nor the teams you'll be put on.

[General_Hawka]

I have a Mutsuki btw, but I sold it long time ago. I forgot to mention that.

[gekkehenkie50]

2 minutes ago, Ferry_25 said:

Good topic OP. You see people react more friendly when you're not p*ssing acid? I remain with my feedback: you jumped into higher tier premiums and rushed through the regular tiers too quickly.

While maining in the most noob friendly class, resulting in a lack of general knowledge on other classes. You are as far in the German line as I am in my USN line now, and we're talking 841 battles vs almost 2000. No one can force you to play certain ships, but if you atleast get each class to tier VI in one line, you should know enough. At that point you will also have a bigger say in the forums. It's like someone who only plays football comes into a sport school and shouts: Pah, Basketball isnt a real sport!

[ForlornSailor]

3 minutes ago, AgarwaenME said:

Though sadly you seem intent on bypassing yet one more ship to get right to tier 10, where your teams are even more reliant on you not being potato (yet hilariously you even manage to get in a stab at blaming your teams).

 

Isnt that what we see nearly every day? A T10 BB "playing" like he knows nothing? I always wonder, how the eff they get to T10 without learning anything. Well atleast that question is off my shoulders...

[VC381]

Basically it's a problem of attitude. Nobody cares if you're a good or bad player, but with <1,000 Games you have to accept that you basically know nothing about the game right now. The fact you went so fast to high tiers just makes it worse. If you are a new player and say "help how do I do this" people will be nice. If you are inexperienced and say "X ship needs buff/nerf" you will be destroyed by this community. It's not really fair, but that's how it is, and the truth is you don't really have a right to ask for buff/nerf with how little experience you have of the game.

 

There is no quick answer to your problem, it's just practice. I don't think lower tiers are easier, so play what you like, but try to think about what the enemy is doing. You don't want to play DD, fine, but at least look at what your team DDs are doing, try to understand how DDs think. After that, move unpredictably, turn sometimes for no reason. Torpedoes take a long time to travel to the target. If you are dodging when you see them, it's too late. You need to dodge them before you can see them. Yes I know this sounds like 6th sense, but just moving randomly and not going to predictable narrow places is enough.

[El2aZeR]

29 minutes ago, General_Hawka said:

4-It's difficult to use Enterprise's torpedo squadrons as they miss a lot.

 

Enterprise is an expert's CV. Unless you seriously want to delve deep into CV play I recommend leaving her in port.

If you do want to learn the finer aspects of CV play, I can thoroughly recommend farazelleth's excellent CV guide here:

 

29 minutes ago, General_Hawka said:

11-How can I avoid Hidden Shimakaze or any other DD in an open water when I'm alerted that I'm detected in a middle of nowhere?

 

Use your WASD keys. Vary your speed and course every 30 seconds or so. You will find that a minor speed alteration alone will usually throw a torp spread wide off course.

[Butterdoll]

13 minutes ago, General_Hawka said:

How can I avoid Hidden Shimakaze or any other DD in an open water when I'm alerted that I'm detected in a middle of nowhere?

 

It's very difficult with a bb, they are very slow, at everything in general, you better off with a cruiser they can be low armour but you can use the agility as an armour to a certain point.

Or having cruiser/dd escort.

As said before when you spot a dd and if the dd is in an predictable path for some time, bow in to his broadside (if you can) because that means torpedoes incoming. never sail in a predictable pattern (direction and speed) especially when you are spotted and you don't see nothing (concealed ddD.

Don't fall in the temptation of using all the guns at once, keep yourself angled and ready to evade if necessary.

Maybe choosing the torpedoes acquiring extra range is a possibility (captain's skill) instead of hydro. 

[Temujin27]

With RESPECT..... what Domen 3 said over your experience is spot on.... i made the exact same mistake in WOWS and WOT too... bought to high and rushed it.... in both games i dropped back down to T4/5/6 for a several hundered games and had far more enjoyable time... i am far from a good player, but now when i take out my T7/8's i have a better idea of what to / not to do....

[ColonelPete]

40 minutes ago, General_Hawka said:

1-I don't have a DD ... It's difficult for me to detect torpedoes before I steer to avoid them. And when I play Atago, I'm easily sunk

2-I prefer playing with Scharnhorst, For an almost new comer I achieved Kraken twice with it and sometimes I sink tier 9 ships with it.

3-I don't like following folks like a sheep, but sometimes It's only way to survive since the team can't have a plan.

4-It's difficult to use Enterprise's torpedo squadrons as they miss a lot.

5- I hate hiding behind Islands.

6- Sometimes I become very lucky that I sank a Yamato with 3 citadel hits with a damaged-torpedo-armament Tirpitz.

7-I prefer playing close ranges because I'm not a good sniper.

8- Right now I can achieve total 200k free xp if I charge doubloons and convert the accumulated XP into free XP and with 74k XP on Der Grosse I can open Grosser Kurfurst "Tier 10 German Battleship" which I'm really willing to own.

9- I'm a battleship fan. So yes It's difficult for me to play with low armored ships.

10- As English isn't my first language, following up tutorials will be difficult to listen.

11-How can I avoid Hidden Shimakaze or any other DD in an open water when I'm alerted that I'm detected in a middle of nowhere?

 

1: Evade them before you see them. Learn it. And Hydro really helps.

2: She is an easy and very powerful ship to play. She has good AA, very good amor, she is fast, nimble, has torps and her guns take everything apart.

3: It helps to talk about tactics in game. There is a chat for a reason. You cannot win alone. You win WITH your team. Sailing alone is a sure tactic to get sunk and lose.

4: Train in CoOp battles. You have to learn the timing.

5: You do not have to.

6: And?

7: Depending on your ship, that is a good tactic. But, do not overextend and leave your teammates behind. Never go into a situation you cannot get out alive.

8: Do not use free XP to unlock silver ships. Use them for premium ships or maybe use them to upgrade your ship. Advance slowly in the tiers to learn how the gameplay changes. Tier IX after not even 900 battles is too fast. Take your time to improve.

9: Then focus on BB. But playing other ship types from time to time helps you understand the flow of battle.

10: Then do not listen, read. The forum is full of advice.

11: See 1:

[Temujin27]

Also , if listening to tutorials is hard try this by Little White Mouse

 https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/90435-premium-ship-review-scharnhorst/

You can take your time reading her brilliant reviews

[Prospect_b]

36 minutes ago, General_Hawka said:

I have a Mutsuki btw, but I sold it long time ago. I forgot to mention that.

Mutsuki is a very bad ship, only t22 is worse.

 

Practice DD with either isokaze at tier 4 or fubuki at tier 6. It will show you pro and con of ijn dd play.

(IJN DD at tier8+ is even harder - and I sold my yugumo a few weeks ago because it is crap compared to other dds. Shima is probably even worse)

[General_Hawka]

34 minutes ago, PzychoPanzer said:

Mutsuki is a very bad ship, only t22 is worse.

 

Practice DD with either isokaze at tier 4 or fubuki at tier 6. It will show you pro and con of ijn dd play.

(IJN DD at tier8+ is even harder - and I sold my yugumo a few weeks ago because it is crap compared to other dds. Shima is probably even worse)

What Destroyers line do you recommend to start playing with?

[aboomination]

 

 

 

[lup3s]

1 hour ago, Butterdoll said:

It's very difficult with a bb, they are very slow, at everything in general, you better off with a cruiser they can be low armour but you can use the agility as an armour to a certain point.

 

High tier BBs are fast enough.

[SV_Kompresor]

14 minutes ago, General_Hawka said:

What Destroyers line do you recommend to start playing with?

 

Try US...I think they're the most forgiving of them all

[ForlornSailor]

13 minutes ago, General_Hawka said:

What Destroyers line do you recommend to start playing with?

 

The low tier japanese are good to practice and pretty forgiving. Good torpedorange, good concealment and you dont need your guns at all.

[gekkehenkie50]

17 minutes ago, General_Hawka said:

What Destroyers line do you recommend to start playing with?

Russian DDs are lightning fast with pew pew guns that set alot of vodka fueled fires. Play em at max range and spam HE while evading fire.

USN DDs are knifefighting machines, that can rip apart any destroyer and some cruisers from close range, combined with good torpedoes.

IJN DDs are skilfull ninjas, that do not like getting into gunfights, they rely on best of class camo and torpedoes to deal dmg, this means they must have a fine balance between being too far out, and being suicidally close.

 

Overall when playing DDs watch out for:

• Cruisers, they will eat you up at any range besides 2km-
• Shells in general, you do NOT have a lot of HP
• Torpedoes, can one shot you so make sure you are paying attention
• Radar/Sonar equipped ships. Make sure you know which ships can mount radar (Tier 8+ USN cruisers, Misouri, Tier 8+ Russian cruisers, tier 8+ British cruisers possibly, as well as Belfast, Indianapolis, Atlanta and Black.)

[Shaka_D]

 

Dearest General_Hawka,

 

A good hunter knows how his intended prey will move about in the wild, i.e. tracks, paths, how it feeds and where it drinks, etc. This is especially important if tracking prey that could similarly track you and where you yourself could become the prey if you're not careful, eg. lion, bear, etc.

 

Similarly OP you need to know DD's and how players play them, etc. Every time you are torped how about you analysing how that happened, whether you did something wrong, were you alone without protection, did you pay enough attention to the minimap, did you notice torps in the water elsewhere, did you take note of where the dd's are in the game earlier on / were they spotted anywhere or where last seen? There are lots of clues and it all comes down to situational awareness and an awareness of the battle as it progresses. As you get better it all becomes automatic.

 

When the game begins you should automatically assess what the threats to your own ship are, i.e. dd's, cv's, etc. Take action accordingly and play your ship to mitigate the possible dangers. If he fools you once, shame on him, if he fools you twice, shame on you.

 

To quote a Sky Marshall in Starship Troopers:

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[General_Hawka]

23 minutes ago, Shaka_D said:

 

Dearest General_Hawka,

 

A good hunter knows how his intended prey will move about in the wild, i.e. tracks, paths, how it feeds and where it drinks, etc. This is especially important if tracking prey that could similarly track you and where you yourself could become the prey if you're not careful, eg. lion, bear, etc.

 

Similarly OP you need to know DD's and how players play them, etc. Every time you are torped how about you analysing how that happened, whether you did something wrong, were you alone without protection, did you pay enough attention to the minimap, did you notice torps in the water elsewhere, did you take note of where the dd's are in the game earlier on / were they spotted anywhere or where last seen? There are lots of clues and it all comes down to situational awareness and an awareness of the battle as it progresses. As you get better it all becomes automatic.

 

When the game begins you should automatically assess what the threats to your own ship are, i.e. dd's, cv's, etc. Take action accordingly and play your ship to mitigate the possible dangers. If he fools you once, shame on him, if he fools you twice, shame on you.

 

To quote a Sky Marshall in Starship Troopers:

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Yeah Whatever man. Thank you for advice.