[LEGIO] darkstar73 Players 648 posts 10,329 battles Report post #1 Posted August 31, 2017 Hello all players. Hope you have a great evening in game :) Now am really pissed. I have been teamkilled 3 times tonight. :( I have played with destroyers tonight. Not interested in wait for 5min just to play a battleship. And it´s FUN to sink camping battleships. I give smoke to my team mates. Tried my outmost to give support. And what do i get?? Torpedos!!! From second line. It´s so damned FRUSTRATING, And guys, don´t come with things that it´s my fault. It isn´t!! They all knew that i was in front of them. And 2 of those times i got torpedoed by a Gneisenau. So. How can this T.K plague be solved? Any ideas? Have a great evening Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLAPP] lameoll Players 1,792 posts 10,834 battles Report post #2 Posted August 31, 2017 well basicly forcing tutorials for new ppl or ppl who get pink status to mutch explaining the basics. a pretty easy way that has been said by a lot of ppl already. but for some reason wont be implemented by wg. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FOCO] Wenceslas Alpha Tester 110 posts 2,972 battles Report post #3 Posted August 31, 2017 I'm honestly not sure it can be. As it is damage by friendly torps is only half their normal potential, and if you go pink I think every shot you land on friendlies is removed from your HP pool. The problem isn't lack of tutorials telling people not to fire torps from behind team mates and to be mindful of your surroundings before firing, it's just a lack of people caring. These people have no idea what they're doing, and they don't care to sort that situtation out because unlike those of us who are really into the game it's just a casual thing to them. If I bodge up and accidently friendly torp a team mate (it's only happened ONCE since the alpha I think) I am deeply embarressed, but the people you describe don't care, they probably don't even notice until they go pink and even then probably don't understand why they're pink. There's only so much you can do when you're dealing with players who don't give a monkeys either way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLAPP] lameoll Players 1,792 posts 10,834 battles Report post #4 Posted August 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Wenceslas said: it's just a lack of people caring mye but if u make them go into a tuturial every time they get pink their gonna care real fast Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FOCO] Wenceslas Alpha Tester 110 posts 2,972 battles Report post #5 Posted August 31, 2017 Just now, lameoll said: mye but if u make them go into a tuturial every time they get pink their gonna care real fast Certainly can't hurt to give it a try. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DONGS] SirBlemmingtonSmythe Players 535 posts 13,196 battles Report post #6 Posted September 1, 2017 10 hours ago, lameoll said: mye but if u make them go into a tuturial every time they get pink their gonna care real fast This would work. 15 minute tutorial every time and then an hours ban combined might be enough of an incentive to make them think of their lack of situational awareness. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DONGS] SirBlemmingtonSmythe Players 535 posts 13,196 battles Report post #7 Posted September 1, 2017 Just now, SirBlemmingtonSmythe said: This would work. 15 minute tutorial every time and then an hours ban combined might be enough of an incentive to make them think of their lack of situational awareness. But then again I doubt that would work either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #8 Posted September 1, 2017 Weel, anyone on 2nd line should not be firing torps in the first place. Unless under VERY special circumstance, in a JAPANESE or French or British Cruiser which have sufficient Torpedo range to actually reach something (other than our own ships, that is) and still only AFTER making sure no own ships are anywhere near the front. Shooting torps from any Germans Cruiser of BB from the second line is sheer insanity, because they simply do not have the range to even reach a target in the first place. That said though, it keeps happening to me as well. Unfortunately it is a part of this game that may happen at times, but 3 times in a day is admittedly a bit much. Many potatoes on the prowl then, I suspect. That can't be helped, report the guy and move on (and anyways he will be pink for a little while to remind him of the folly and will hopefully learn). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FAB] DocStrangeFruit Players 196 posts 12,058 battles Report post #9 Posted September 1, 2017 Must admit I sunk a friendly NC a few nights ago purely by accident. I apologised as I was after a Tirpitz on enemy team and at the time of firing the torps from my Benson the NC was turning away to get his guns to bear on the same target. Unfortunately after he had fired he them turned hard right to present a smaller profile for any retaliation from said Tirpitz. Accidents happen but it's how you deal with it that counts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #10 Posted September 1, 2017 Those things happen mate, have done the same myself to a few friendlies, who suddenly managed to pull an unexpected U-turn. But you know, at the least they were pure accidents (and not the product of deranged stupidity, like what happened to darkstar73 here), you couldn't have reasonably expected for him to make that turn right there and then. Nowadays though, when 2 BB's are close I usually choose not to intervene with torps, because if our guy decides to go for a ram or secondary range or something fancy, then I will inevitably hit him also. So as painful as it is to just sit, watch and pewpew a bit, sometimes it is the better option. Of course, once the enemy has sunk our own guy out of the way he is free game once again, Hheheh! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #11 Posted September 1, 2017 I pinked myself the other day. Was in a Neptune and panic fired 8 torps via single fire as I got jumped by two DDs. Somehow I nuked the Allied one next to me and got a 7 game punishment. It went in about 5 games though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cosseria Players 1,064 posts 4,944 battles Report post #12 Posted September 1, 2017 Just don't ask for too harsh punishments, if things like bans or forced tutorials were actually introduced, people would begin to seek for friendly torps to run into, blocking fields of fire and such, just to harm others. I would be fine with the TK having to pay for his victim's repairs, plus a forfeitary free XP refund to compensate for the lost XP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #13 Posted September 1, 2017 Paying for repairs if fine for me too, it is only fair after all. But who wants bans? I'm sure everyone end up doing TK at some point, so as long's it is not intentional I am fine with a penalty, even if it applies to myself, hehe! Intentional TK on the other hand, if proven should indeed result in some more serious consequences. maybe a public flogging, lynching or drawing and quartering can be reintroduced (WG to provide the torches and pitchforks please)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IRQ] AnotherDuck [IRQ] Players 2,930 posts 7,510 battles Report post #14 Posted September 1, 2017 I occasionally launch torpedoes from second line in cruisers. Including with Russian cruisers and their awesome 4 km torpedoes. You just need to know whether you can hit a friendly. Not whether you probably will with the current headings of the ships involved, but whether you can, at all, no matter how much your allies drag their nose over their keyboards to change their course. Anyway, I don't think it's that much of a problem. Sure, it happens, but I don't think it happens all that often. What I would like is the ability to report people who teamkill deliberately, and have them banned for it. Accidents happen, and that's one thing. Doing it deliberately, like when there are no enemy ships in range (accounting for torpedo travel time), is something that should be harshly punished. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tubit101 Players 1,189 posts 4,745 battles Report post #15 Posted September 1, 2017 Due to the idiocy I've seen over the past month or so, I've come to the conclusion that the game needs to be dumbed down in order to compensate for the dummies. There has been one or two team killers (and hence, team damage and team kills) in pretty much every match. They are ruining everyone's fun. Turn off friendly fire altogether... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FAB] DocStrangeFruit Players 196 posts 12,058 battles Report post #16 Posted September 1, 2017 Must admit I did run into an intentional TKer a few weeks ago who was on -3 in game for taking out his teams CV and some other allied ships. I think both sides reported him multiple times. Not sure if it did any good thou. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #17 Posted September 1, 2017 -3? Woah! Now there's a feller, who really DESERVES a ban and a good spanking to boot... Would be nice to get some feedback on those kinda things later on. Would give me a little confidence that WG IS actually taking some action instead of just nodding on... Somehow there always tends to be this nagging doubt that they are dragging their feet. That said, I did end up in a middle of a gunfight once, where our own team was kinda split in 2 groups, who apparently had some prior argument and started shooting at each other even before we left the spawn (with me slightly confused right in the middle of it).. After the first 2 minutes, we had lost 5 ships sunk and 1 heavily damaged even before we saw the enemy. Yeah, unsurprisingly it was not a win for the home team... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLAPP] lameoll Players 1,792 posts 10,834 battles Report post #18 Posted September 1, 2017 the thing is tho its not always obvious who launches torps towards friendly's (intentional or unintentional) as a lot of ppl will probably dodge those torps and get killed by the enemy by being forced to go full broadsiide towards them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #19 Posted September 1, 2017 Yeah, torps are difficult to prove and accidents are commonplace so I try to be forgiving even when launching them was clearly stupid and useless (stupidity is not illegal unfortunately). Gunkills on the other hand though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dragnorak Players 617 posts 6,737 battles Report post #20 Posted September 1, 2017 14 hours ago, darkstar73 said: Hello all players. Hope you have a great evening in game :) Now am really pissed. I have been teamkilled 3 times tonight. :( I have played with destroyers tonight. Not interested in wait for 5min just to play a battleship. And it´s FUN to sink camping battleships. I give smoke to my team mates. Tried my outmost to give support. And what do i get?? Torpedos!!! From second line. It´s so damned FRUSTRATING, And guys, don´t come with things that it´s my fault. It isn´t!! They all knew that i was in front of them. And 2 of those times i got torpedoed by a Gneisenau. So. How can this T.K plague be solved? Any ideas? Have a great evening You are the problem here so the solution is actually very easy. You need to sail your ship ALWAYS expecting second line torps. Debating if its right or not is irrelevant, you are always going to get them so learn to deal with it and you wont get TKd at least not very often for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #21 Posted September 1, 2017 I hate to admit it, but in a twisted way he is kinda disgustingly right-ish... Though TK is always morally and ethically the fault of the one who shot them torps into you, this fact isn't going to matter when they hit and being in the right won't regenerate your HP later on so as such it is quite useless to spend too much time debating and fussing about it. BUT, going forward what you CAN do is to keep in mind that there will always be some utter fool trying to shoot torps from the second line. And sometimes that idiot might even be me. So it is best to keep that in mind and position yourself so that if they do you can either easily evade or are out of the way so it won't matter. It does make maneuvering generally more difficult, but it works. A good position to be is slightly ahead of a friendly torpedo-armed cruiser or if he is ahead of you, make sure to be trailing him a bit. If directly in-between him and closely approaching enemy -> Situational awareness, shoot your torps and head for a new, safer position little bit to a side and be ready to duck because there is a 50% chance that he will try to use his torps regardless. Sadly, there are very few who have sufficient self-control not to. Of course, all this is hard to do, since DD play is quite hectic as is, but a 1000 or more games practice and it will little-by-little become your second nature or else you'll just end up heavily on Valium Hehe! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
io_pilot Beta Tester 49 posts 16,143 battles Report post #22 Posted September 1, 2017 There will always be team kills (accidental or not). Best thing to do... relax, crap happens. It's natural. Hell, USS Missouri (or Montana?) was almoust hit by a friendly torp while Rosevelt was on board Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #23 Posted September 1, 2017 Must have been Missouri then, since Montana was never launched methinks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cosseria Players 1,064 posts 4,944 battles Report post #24 Posted September 1, 2017 No, USS Iowa, while carrying FDR to Casablanca. The culprit was USS William D. Porter, on a simulated torpedo run someone on the torpedo tubes was overconfident(tm) and fired a live one. Confusion ensued as the DD tried to warn Iowa about the torp, first by blinking light, then by plain radio. Iowa actually aimed its guns on the DD just in case it was a plot to kill the President. The torp finally passed astern and exploded in Iowa's wake. Willie Dee went on with a TK career, first by landing an inert 5" round into a Naval HQ plot, then downing several US planes while shooting at the Japs, and finally raking USS Luce with machine-gun fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #25 Posted September 1, 2017 OH THAT, the famous "worst US ship of all time-Porter"?? Should have known... Wonder how long until WG will start selling it as a new US DD Premium? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
