The ONE thing I don't like about the GZ "fix"

[valrond]

I was one of the first to praise WG when they finally reacted to the Graf Zeppelin issue. I said they did everything we asked. However there is ONE THING, I don't like and that is bad for a lot of players:

-THREE MONTHS of exclusivity for those that bought the GZ.

 

I get it, you want to give the guys that bought the GZ something. They get the special camouflage and those 3 months of exclusivity, but that is bad.

 

Why?

I, and many others, as seen in the poll I made, were willing to buy the GZ as soon as it appeared. I've been following the ship since it was announced, watched the videos of the CC, followed the devs blogs, and the reddit posts. That's how I knew they had the 2-0-3 loadout with HE and AP bombs and that the AP bombs had a delay, and thus, I didn't buy it in that state.

 

Now, my penalty for not buying the ship in that sorry state that it is, is that me, and many others, are not going to be able to buy it when it finally finished and fixed for THREE MONTHS. 

So:

-I wanted to buy the ship

-I did my homework and knew the ship was bad, others watched the videos of CC or read the forums and didn't buy for the same reason

-We demand a fix

-WG recognizes the ship is not finished

-Non.buyers can't buy the ship till 3 months after it is fixed.

 

What did we do wrong to deserve that?

 

Do you want to give something extra to those that bought it? Good, you can give them a lot of things:

-Doubloons

-Premium time

-More missions with 3x XP

-Better captains (say, 10-12-15 points captain depending on your package)

-A exclusive flag.

 

Instead, regular customer gets penalized.

 

I hope WG changes that, give other things to the people that bought the ship,and let us buy it when it's ready.

[Boris_MNE]

That thing bother me too.

They are basically saying: We admit it did not fulfill your expectations

but at same time, they again trying us to make look stupid. If ship did not meet my expectations, why I am supposed to buy it?

Also, isnt it far more logical to FIX  ship and return it in store?

They are not alive if they do not spoil us at least once daily...

[Strapps]

And if they had left it in the shop the forum would be full of complaints about them charging money for a ship that's untested and unbalanced, clear evidence that WG are only interested in money.

[Boris_MNE]

Just now, Strappster said:

And if they had left it in the shop the forum would be full of complaints about them charging money for a ship that's untested and unbalanced, clear evidence that WG are only interested in money.

You trolling or what?

Pull ship from the shop.

Fix the ship.

Return ship in the shop.

No delays, no grace periods, no shits... simple

[mtm78]

I guess the exclusivity is the reward for being actively involved in the rebalancing project, having faith in WG's ability to release a more balanced loadout and finalize the delayed impact AP mechanic.

 

I actually think this is a fair point. Maybe WG should open up the ship for purchase for a single day so people who want to be part of this project can even now sign up? 

[Strapps]

Just now, Boris_MNE said:

You trolling or what?

Pull ship from the shop.

Fix the ship.

Return ship in the shop.

No delays, no grace periods, no shits... simple

 

No, I'm not trolling, I'm pointing out the inevitable. If it was as simple as pulling the ship and fixing it, why wasn't that done during the time it was available?

[valrond]

1 minute ago, Strappster said:

And if they had left it in the shop the forum would be full of complaints about them charging money for a ship that's untested and unbalanced, clear evidence that WG are only interested in money.

As Boris said, it's not that. 

It's that after they fix it, they won't release it for three months.

I wanted to buy this ship day one, I was even going to buy the 100€ pack, but now? If they leave it like that, and I can't get it when it is fixed, I'll just probably wait and get it with doubloons in a discount.

[Boris_MNE]

Just now, mtm78 said:

I guess the exclusivity is the reward for being actively involved in the rebalancing project, having faith in WG's ability to release a more balanced loadout and finalize the delayed impact AP mechanic.

 

I actually think this is a fair point. Maybe WG should open up the ship for purchase for a single day so people who want to be part of this project can even now sign up? 

 

 

Some of us dont have time to bother with feedbacks, we did wrote many feedbacks yet no one care.

Some of us just wanted fixed ship for 50 euros , and we are willing to pay for this service. If that is so big problem I dont know what to say.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

9 minutes ago, valrond said:

I was one of the first to praise WG when they finally reacted to the Graf Zeppelin issue. I said they did everything we asked. However there is ONE THING, I don't like and that is bad for a lot of players:

-THREE MONTHS of exclusivity for those that bought the GZ.

 

I get it, you want to give the guys that bought the GZ something. They get the special camouflage and those 3 months of exclusivity, but that is bad.

 

Why?

I, and many others, as seen in the poll I made, were willing to buy the GZ as soon as it appeared. I've been following the ship since it was announced, watched the videos of the CC, followed the devs blogs, and the reddit posts. That's how I knew they had the 2-0-3 loadout with HE and AP bombs and that the AP bombs had a delay, and thus, I didn't buy it in that state.

 

Now, my penalty for not buying the ship in that sorry state that it is, is that me, and many others, are not going to be able to buy it when it finally finished and fixed for THREE MONTHS. 

So:

-I wanted to buy the ship

-I did my homework and knew the ship was bad, others watched the videos of CC or read the forums and didn't buy for the same reason

-We demand a fix

-WG recognizes the ship is not finished

-Non.buyers can't buy the ship till 3 months after it is fixed.

 

What did we do wrong to deserve that?

 

Do you want to give something extra to those that bought it? Good, you can give them a lot of things:

-Doubloons

-Premium time

-More missions with 3x XP

-Better captains (say, 10-12-15 points captain depending on your package)

-A exclusive flag.

 

Instead, regular customer gets penalized.

 

I hope WG changes that, give other things to the people that bought the ship,and let us buy it when it's ready.

Agree.....i wanna that CV i am cv sucker :)....my shokaku eaven lex have premium camo....i know i know.....why the hell lex......i was noobing

[valrond]

1 minute ago, mtm78 said:

I guess the exclusivity is the reward for being actively involved in the rebalancing project, having faith in WG's ability to release a more balanced loadout and finalize the delayed impact AP mechanic.

 

I actually think this is a fair point. Maybe WG should open up the ship for purchase for a single day so people who want to be part of this project can even now sign up? 

That's actually a good idea.

[mtm78]

1 minute ago, Boris_MNE said:

Some of us dont have time to bother with feedbacks, we did wrote many feedbacks yet no one care.

Some of us just wanted fixed ship for 50 euros , and we are willing to pay for this service. If that is so big problem I dont know what sosay.

 

Nah it can't be sold 'normally'. 

 

If you're not interested in helping 'finalize' the ship I'd say you're better of not having it yet  

[Nechrom]

It's basically just: "Please please don't demand a refund!"

Delaying the re-launch, while annoying for those who were hyped for the GZ, is probably a good thing in general to give it some time to show the playerbase that it's worth their money.

 

It makes sense, even if it doesn't satisfy everyone.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

14 minutes ago, valrond said:

I was one of the first to praise WG when they finally reacted to the Graf Zeppelin issue. I said they did everything we asked. However there is ONE THING, I don't like and that is bad for a lot of players:

-THREE MONTHS of exclusivity for those that bought the GZ.

 

I get it, you want to give the guys that bought the GZ something. They get the special camouflage and those 3 months of exclusivity, but that is bad.

 

Why?

I, and many others, as seen in the poll I made, were willing to buy the GZ as soon as it appeared. I've been following the ship since it was announced, watched the videos of the CC, followed the devs blogs, and the reddit posts. That's how I knew they had the 2-0-3 loadout with HE and AP bombs and that the AP bombs had a delay, and thus, I didn't buy it in that state.

 

Now, my penalty for not buying the ship in that sorry state that it is, is that me, and many others, are not going to be able to buy it when it finally finished and fixed for THREE MONTHS. 

So:

-I wanted to buy the ship

-I did my homework and knew the ship was bad, others watched the videos of CC or read the forums and didn't buy for the same reason

-We demand a fix

-WG recognizes the ship is not finished

-Non.buyers can't buy the ship till 3 months after it is fixed.

 

What did we do wrong to deserve that?

 

Do you want to give something extra to those that bought it? Good, you can give them a lot of things:

-Doubloons

-Premium time

-More missions with 3x XP

-Better captains (say, 10-12-15 points captain depending on your package)

-A exclusive flag.

 

Instead, regular customer gets penalized.

 

I hope WG changes that, give other things to the people that bought the ship,and let us buy it when it's ready.

 

The only thing WG could have done differently is put the announcement out then allowed people time to climb aboard and buy GZ before withdrawing it to join their weird little exclusive Pay2SuperTest as that would have satisfied you.

 

I would have been half tempted actually if that were the case...

[mtm78]

1 minute ago, Negativvv said:

I would have been half tempted actually if that were the case...

 

I think this is an excellent idea, but I don't know how many people already bought it and don't want to take the refund. I mentioned it without realizing that a test group needs to be manageable in size, and the ship being German and released during GC...  

 

 

[Strapps]

23 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

I actually think this is a fair point. Maybe WG should open up the ship for purchase for a single day so people who want to be part of this project can even now sign up? 

 

I can't see a problem with that provided the whole thing is covered in caveats about the re-balancing and all buyers acknowledge that they'll accept the updated ship regardless of how it's changed.

 

From WG's perspective, however, I can see there being a further storm in a teacup if it's not exactly as wonderful as those buying it before it's balanced expect it to be, so they're probably minimising scope for further complaints by simply pulling it and taking the time to get it right.

 

Don't forget that they've mentioned looking at the possibility of deep water torps too, that's more testing on a class of ship that can already dominate a battle with a good player controlling it. Sure, it'd be beaten by good team work, CA/CL working with BBs to counter air attacks ... and how often do you see that in randoms?

 

21 minutes ago, Nechrom said:

It's basically just: "Please please don't demand a refund!"

 

How so, given that they've offered to give all the special add-ons to players who take the refund now and re-buy the ship later?

 

Ignore, I'm wrong.

[Boris_MNE]

I am not saying that I am not satisfied with their overall decision.

Just I think they should let other to buy it after ship is fixed. That is all.
Those who already bought it , will get prem camo and ha ya. Problem solved.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

1 minute ago, mtm78 said:

 

I think this is an excellent idea, but I don't know how many people already bought it and don't want to take the refund. I mentioned it without realizing that a test group needs to be manageable in size, and the ship being German and released during GC...  

 

 

 

All they'd have to do close the sale after X amount of sold GZ. I'm sure their website has a log of how much they're selling and can stop stuff at short notice since they did close the GZ down pretty quickly. Or even say they'll refund automatically whoever isn't in the first X buyers. 

 

But that's too complicated I guess!

[mtm78]

5 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said:

I am not saying that I am not satisfied with their overall decision.

Just I think they should let other to buy it after ship is fixed. That is all.
Those who already bought it , will get prem camo and ha ya. Problem solved.

 

Well it's like the old CBT ships ( Gremmy, Sims and Yuubari iirc .. been awhile  ) which I bought as 'Light fleet package' with the guarantee that those ships wouldn't be sold for a year after release. I don't see a problem with that, the CBT ships were basically still funding an unfinished project and that is why they offered exclusivity period. 

 

Doing that with GZ for those wanting to participate in rebalancing is something I don't see as problematic, certainly for a limited 3 month period. 

 

5 minutes ago, Strappster said:

I can't see a problem with that provided the whole thing is covered in caveats about the re-balancing and all buyers acknowledge that they'll accept the updated ship regardless of how it's changed.

 

Ofc, I just hope they show their dedication to more open communication with this rebalancing project :) 

 

5 minutes ago, Strappster said:

How so, given that they've offered to give all the special add-ons to players who take the refund now and re-buy the ship later?

 

On the contrary as I understand, those special items are exclusive to those who don't opt in for a refund. 

[Dampfboot]

I was a bit fed up about this as well but currently you enjoy premium TX matchmaking in TVIII CVs anyway and the promised big CV fix is still nowhere to be seen. So maybe once the Graf Zeppelin is available again for everyone the CVs will be fixed? Who knows?

[Strapps]

8 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

On the contrary as I understand, those special items are exclusive to those who don't opt in for a refund. 

 

You're quite right, I didn't read it properly. Thanks for the correction. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

20 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

Nah it can't be sold 'normally'. 

 

If you're not interested in helping 'finalize' the ship I'd say you're better of not having it yet  

Give to first owners better cammo. 100% exp increase. But give it in shop asap as they finished her. 

[darkstar73]

30 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said:

 

 

Some of us dont have time to bother with feedbacks, we did wrote many feedbacks yet no one care.

Some of us just wanted fixed ship for 50 euros , and we are willing to pay for this service. If that is so big problem I dont know what to say.

Why didn´t you buy it then? I mean, you all knew that WG is going to fix that broken carrier. .

[Boris_MNE]

Just now, darkstar73 said:

Why didn´t you buy it then? I mean, you all knew that WG is going to fix that broken carrier. .

Because ship did not meet my expectations. Nor it is even after announced changes.
I dont want to buy ship NOW, i want to buy ship when it is FIXED , if is possible. I think they only delay income for about 3 months :P

[mtm78]

14 minutes ago, 15JG52Adler said:

Give to first owners better cammo. 100% exp increase. But give it in shop asap as they finished her. 

 

That might be another option, but rewarding participation is good. It makes it so people who stay involved actually are more likely to also spend effort on it obtaining it ( I feel WG should set a minimum participation level limit which people have to reach during the project ). 

 

36 minutes ago, valrond said:

That's actually a good idea.

 

Put it in your opening post then ;) I'm pretty sure the CM's are monitoring forums a bit more closely than normally :)

[darkstar73]

Just now, Boris_MNE said:

Because ship did not meet my expectations. Nor it is even after announced changes.
I dont want to buy ship NOW, i want to buy ship when it is FIXED , if is possible. I think they only delay income for about 3 months :P

Maybe we who bought it will get some exclusive perks. Have heard that we will get the airborne version of G7es Zaunkönig homing torpedo :P