+1 regarding WG's Graf Zep response, but is iCloud being reinstated?

[g1g5]

Regarding official communication found here:

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/premshop/Graf-Zeppelin-Situation-Update/

 

Firstly, +1 to the WG team for this contrite and sincere response to fan concerns, this is definitely a positive step forward.

 

That being said though, and this could just be my lawyer nit-picking regarding to the wording on my part, but could WG confirm whether iCloud will be reinstated?

 

WG has been clear here that iCloudwas right about about the ZG  being near impossible to use and very shoddily implemented, that the actions taken against the CC was rather insensitive and high handed, and that the decision to release the ship in its current state is somewhat of an insult to the player base. While all of the above is indisputably true, it does not really mention what happens now regarding iCloud in particular, and the direction freedom of speech and accountability will take in this game.

 

If indeed iCloud will be reinstated, then WG would be wise to review and add this information to the contents of this section in order to receive optimal PR advantages of the review of their decision.

 

[Nechrom]

He (iChase) would be reinstated if he wanted to, which he doesn't.

[Egoleter]

3 hours ago, Nechrom said:

He (iChase) would be reinstated if he wanted to, which he doesn't.

 

Here a statement from iChase to prove Nechroms statement:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/6w8olj/graf_zeppelin_update_from_developers/dm65okd/

 

Quote

First and foremost, thank you for changing your refund policy so that players who bought the ship now have a real chance of getting their money back. I'm glad we got actions and not only words.

I also want to say thank you for the apology. I'm glad that this incident led you all to re-evaluate the ship and also what to do/not do in the future. As for the CC program, I'm going to step away from it for a while and go back to providing warships content as an independent content creator. Perhaps someday in the future, I will look into it again.

See you all on the high seas, Chase

 

[waxx25]

who cares though? I chase is an average player at best.

[Egoleter]

Just now, waxx25 said:

who cares though? I chase is an average player at best.

 

Why should his skill level matter as a CC? He was in that position for his content not because of his awesome super supreme unicum playing skills.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Unfortunatelly "We will learn from this" is far from the truth.

WG has proved us that many times and I support iChase entirely.

 

WG (at least the people booting iChase from the CC program) does (do) not realize that CC are making them a FREE advertising (how much money they make from it is sole competence of the individual CC them self).

 

 

4 hours ago, waxx25 said:

who cares though? I chase is an average player at best.

 

Meh, I would respond something to your pitiful comment, but to be honest I dont want to waste my time with someone having stuck their head up their own bottom. 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Must admit I stopped watching iLul awhile back although judging by my appalling games yesterday even Jingles could teach me a thing or two...

 

I wouldn't come back if I was him unless earning money was a motivator. I thought he was fairly apologist to WG actions generally and they still tried to destroy him so I'd understand if he stayed away.

[P2Win]

Garbage players should not be allowed to test ships. This is why OP ships are released. As a matter of fact only unicum and above should be allowed.

[ImperialAdmiral]

1 hour ago, waxx25 said:

who cares though? I chase is an average player at best.

 

10 minutes ago, P2Win said:

Garbage players should not be allowed to test ships. This is why OP ships are released. As a matter of fact only unicum and above should be allowed.

 

They should give that title to PhlyDaily then

[RUSSIANBlAS]

15 minutes ago, P2Win said:

Garbage players should not be allowed to test ships. This is why OP ships are released. As a matter of fact only unicum and above should be allowed.

If WG had any sense and want their games to be taken seriously by the pro gaming scene then yes but they make their money from the common potato who plays causally for a game or two in the evenings. 

 

[tank276]

22 minutes ago, P2Win said:

Garbage players should not be allowed to test ships. This is why OP ships are released. As a matter of fact only unicum and above should be allowed.

I dont think Chase is a garbage player both by seeing his stats and watching content on his channel.

In fact I prefered his guides when I was newer to the game and not -say- Flamu's , cause I am an average player and he said things that made sense to me.

In general dont you think that, for instance, Jingles's videos are very entertaining to watch ("were" , he is not a CC anymore) although he is a mediocre player?

 

[kfa]

1 hour ago, waxx25 said:

who cares though? I chase is an average player at best.

 

Better than Notser with his IFHE Moskva and a Des Moines videos.

Oh and secondary Montana!

[KptStrzyga]

In soviet Russia opinion has you. 

[Juanx]

3 hours ago, P2Win said:

Garbage players should not be allowed to test ships. This is why OP ships are released. As a matter of fact only unicum and above should be allowed.

 

You posts are Edited?

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inflammatory remarks.

[P2Win]

2 hours ago, Juanx said:

 

You posts are Edited?

 

Judging by your stats. You need to see a doctor. I would advise you to see a SPECIALIST.

[mtm78]

Guys what they mean with: you need X amount of skill before being able to give VALUABLE feedback is pretty simple no? Jingles... entertainment, yes, you do NOT watch him to learn to play the game better ( though he does give very basic advice which ofc can't go wrong, like not sailing broadside to a battleship  ).

 

Average players have usually less understanding of game mechanics and are less capable of understanding balance issues. That is why you see so many salty unicums, they actually see the problems average pleb does not. 

 

ps: I highly support iChase's decision to at least for now not make use of the offer to return. I think WG needs to work with ALL their CC's right now to set up a behavioral covenant and then actually keep to it. 

[Gnirf]

3 hours ago, P2Win said:

Garbage players should not be allowed to test ships. This is why OP ships are released. As a matter of fact only unicum and above should be allowed.

Are u even serious with your posts? You are given that kind of statements everywhere.

If a ship is fine with unicums it says nothing about how the general playerbase will handle it both useless , good players or unicum.

A ship is like a car in the testing phase should be used by all kind of players -. the important thing is to be able to follow some sort of testing program and how to communicate and give adequate feedback.

Sure we can say a review by Flamu is more worth than that of a average player (name xx), but I think also that if he says that a ship is mediocre and shows a game of 167000 dmg it says quite little if the server average is 50000, if the ship is underperforming, which is after all the server damage often divided into player stratas and taken into account skill ceiling, spreads etc.

 

You can be a unicum player statwise. I am average player I have 180 ships, I have played between 0-1600 games in each one of them, I think I am pretty well able to give an average players view on many ships since I have played and grinded every ship (with little freexping apart from Bhulls and that stuff) in every non CV line to T9 and 10 (8 in Akizuki case).

I am quite consistent in my performance broadly speaking. IMO it gives me (or similar player that are not unicum) some experience in how to judge a ship over a unicum player that is more of a gamer type and are less broad in his approach and have jumped(freeXped) over the lower/mid tier ships.

It is also important the consistency of player and experience. And how the ship performs in the hands of various player stratas.

 

What I can agree with you is the bad average player with limited experience, but the unicum player with limited wide experience and narrow minded (unicum) perspective is equally useless.

 

PS I will never be a tester or reviewer but it is more a argument against your view that only unicums should be allowed to test.

 

  

[P2Win]

1 minute ago, Gnirf said:

Are u even serious with your posts? You are given that kind of statements everywhere.

If a ship is fine with unicums it says nothing about how the general playerbase will handle it both useless , good players or unicum.

A ship is like a car in the testing phase should be used by all kind of players -. the important thing is to be able to follow some sort of testing program and how to communicate and give adequate feedback.

Sure we can say a review by Flamu is more worth than that of a average player (name xx), but I think also that if he says that a ship is mediocre and shows a game of 167000 dmg it says quite little if the server average is 50000, if the ship is underperforming, which is after all the server damage often divided into player stratas and taken into account skill ceiling, spreads etc.

 

It is also important the consistency of player and experience. And how the ship performs in the hands of various player stratas.

 

  

 

If you want consistency you release it for everyone to "test." That would give you REAL data that you need for nerf/buff. But nope...Release it to a handful people who control the fate of the ships.

[mtm78]

You really think those people have control? Pretty sure this game wouldn't be where it is now if that would have been true ( it would have been so much better ). 

[Gnirf]

7 minutes ago, P2Win said:

 

If you want consistency you release it for everyone to "test." That would give you REAL data that you need for nerf/buff. But nope...Release it to a handful people who control the fate of the ships.

I edited and lenghtened my post somewhat. No I do not want eveyone to test but it is not only unicum status that is important, experience on a broad scale etc

[P2Win]

1 minute ago, Gnirf said:

I edited and lenghtened my post somewhat. No I do not want eveyone to test but it is not only unicum status that is important, experience on a broad scale etc

Those people with 10k battles and "average" is far from "experienced." it's like giving a honda pilot owner the keys to a brand new Lamborghini and telling them to test it.

[Juanx]

1 hour ago, P2Win said:

 

Judging by your stats. You need to see a doctor. I would advise you to see a SPECIALIST.

 

Is there a WoWs doctor? Now thats a new one...

As said, seek help, you make no sense at all.

[Thracen]

Yep I firmly agree with the original post. Companies must get positive feedback from correcting mistakes and listening to customers otherwise they are damned if they do or damned if they don't. Please keep working hard wargaming:D.

[Gnirf]

22 hours ago, P2Win said:

Those people with 10k battles and "average" is far from "experienced." it's like giving a honda pilot owner the keys to a brand new Lamborghini and telling them to test it.

You do not sell Lamborghinis you sell pixelships targeted to a wide audience.  What makes you think you are better to judge a ships performance if u have 200 battles with 59% and I have 55%. 

It is a lot of other factors, how do you inteprete your performance in a say a T9 RN BB vs a T4 RN BB vs its competition (existing ships). How can you communicate your results, how consistent are your results vs mine and so on. 

 

Lamborghinis are not targetting the average Joe. WOWs are targeting a wide number of players. Your analogy is flawed.Edited  but I answer seriously anyway because you are so narrowminded that it is incredible. 

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inappropriate remarks. 

[BrusilovX]

I think it would have been better for whomever at WG to think about what it's going to do before it does it.

 

Clearly the ship was released in a state that it should not have been in,

 

To remove a player from the CC program and then offer to reinstate them is another poor move on behalf of the company.  It just reinforces what iChase said in the video that got him into trouble.

 

WG is not behaving in a professional manner in this.