Fix T8 MM

[Shirakami_Kon]

And people though T5 was bad... Just wait to play T8 and be dragged to a T10 battle against GKs, Montanas, DMs, Hindenburgs and Yamatos in what seems 95% of the battles if you dare to press battle in a T8 ship. It's just awful. About 7 T10 battles in a row between today and yesterday playing T8. So much fun considering how strong T10 ships get in just two tiers in comparison with your pitiful T8 and high tier playstyle where basically everyone just camps behind an island or in a smoke.

 

It's nice that WG seems to have fixed that problem for T5 and it's not the same with T7 but somehow this increased the same effect at T8. Is it really imposible to limit T10s to battle other T10s or T9 that at least can do something more reliably that T8s considering the strength jump of the ships in just those two tiers?

[Dampfboot]

In Tier VIII ships one used to be low tier 40% of the time, lately it seems more like 50-60%. WG should make TX games exclusive for T IX & TX ships.

[Shirakami_Kon]

6 minutes ago, Dampfboot said:

In Tier VIII ships one used to be low tier 40% of the time, lately it seems more like 50-60%. WG should make TX games exclusive for T IX & TX ships.

 

Nailed what could be a TL;DR of this indeed.

[tank276]

See it as an opportunity to gain extra xp cause u face t10s

Seriously, it is pretty bad for t8s last weeks or months.

Imho there is a serious power gap from t8 to t9 and an even bigger from t9 and t10 ships.

So ... keep grinding...worth it.

[_VAMPA_]

20 minutes ago, Dampfboot said:

In Tier VIII ships one used to be low tier 40% of the time, lately it seems more like 50-60%. WG should make TX games exclusive for T IX & TX ships.

 

26 minutes ago, SHDRKN4792 said:

And people though T5 was bad... Just wait to play T8 and be dragged to a T10 battle against GKs, Montanas, DMs, Hindenburgs and Yamatos in what seems 95% of the battles if you dare to press battle in a T8 ship. It's just awful. About 7 T10 battles in a row between today and yesterday playing T8. So much fun considering how strong T10 ships get in just two tiers in comparison with your pitiful T8 and high tier playstyle where basically everyone just camps behind an island or in a smoke.

 

It's nice that WG seems to have fixed that problem for T5 and it's not the same with T7 but somehow this increased the same effect at T8. Is it really imposible to limit T10s to battle other T10s or T9 that at least can do something more reliably that T8s considering the strength jump of the ships in just those two tiers?

.....so you want when you press battle in T8 boat always to be TOP tier against if possible more T6s ?

This is exactly what you want by limiting T9-10 ships in separate "exclusive games"

if you want to be top tier 100% guaranteed - pick TX press Battle

...just play yore TXs and enjoy

[Shirakami_Kon]

5 minutes ago, _VAMPA_ said:

 

.....so you want when you press battle in T8 boat always to be TOP tier against if possible more T6s ?

This is exactly what you want by limiting T9-10 ships in separate "exclusive games"

 

Mmm... no. What I meant with that is T8 ships not facing T10 ships, that's all. Take for example T5 current MM, with the -1 instead of the usual -2, do the same with T10. That would mean as I suggested that T8s won't meet T10s but they would still meet T9s, not that I want T8 to be top tier all the time.

[_VAMPA_]

T5 face T7s, its not +-1

T4 is last tier with +-1

[Shirakami_Kon]

Just now, _VAMPA_ said:

T5 face T7s, its not +-1

 

Ok... Let's put it that way. Do T3s face T5s? No, right? That because T5 ships have a -1/+2 MM (-1 = can meet only ships 1 tier lower = T4 and +2, ships up to 2 tiers higher = T7)

 

Then my suggestion is make T10 +0 (because it's T10 already)/ -1 = can only meed ships 1 tier lower = T9. Keep the current +1/-2 for T9 and make T8 MM +1/-2 (or +1/-1 if you think it's unfair and would promote sealclubbing for all I care).

[tank276]

5 minutes ago, _VAMPA_ said:

T5 face T7s, its not +-1

He said -1 only ,not +-1.

[_VAMPA_]

24 minutes ago, SHDRKN4792 said:

 

Ok... Let's put it that way. Do T3s face T5s? No, right? That because T5 ships have a -1/+2 MM (-1 = can meet only ships 1 tier lower = T4 and +2, ships up to 2 tiers higher = T7)

 

Then my suggestion is make T10 +0 (because it's T10 already)/ -1 = can only meed ships 1 tier lower = T9. Keep the current +1/-2 for T9 and make T8 MM +1/-2 (or +1/-1 if you think it's unfair and would promote sealclubbing for all I care).

with current active player base.....no way this will rise drastically queue times + it will make other tiers to play the role of fillers and result will be same "topics" just with diff tier ;)

or +-1 for all = impossible with that amount of actives or "just grind through it"

[ForlornSailor]

51 minutes ago, _VAMPA_ said:

with current active player base.....no way this will rise drastically queue times

 

Whenever the topic is matchmaking, someone brings this up. Ofc without any facts. You wanna go and try to explain / underline this claim with some numbers? I actually have facts to prove you totaly wrong but ill let u try first...

[_VAMPA_]

did u play after midnight??????you see current queue times ? but pls give me youre facts

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I very much doubt T8 will ever be fixed. It's basically a junior T10 as that's what you'll face a lot of the time. If you can handle the T8 MM then you can handle anything.

 

The lulz when you're that one T8 in a sea of T9 and T10. That does happen, saw one example the other day.

[Shirakami_Kon]

19 minutes ago, _VAMPA_ said:

did u play after midnight??????you see current queue times ? but pls give me youre facts

 

Maybe that's not because of the amount of players of the game but maybe... I don't know, a lot of people work and go to sleep past midnight?

 

Edit: That's like that thread we had about a CV blaming WG that the CVs are crap and no one plays them because he was waiting 25 minutes to get in a battle with a Midway at 3:30am or something like that.

[SV_Kompresor]

I seem to do just fine against tier 10s and so do my divisionmates since tier 8 ships are just as good. The only tier (IMO mind you) that needs fixing is tier 6, because the ship quality between tiers 6-8 is much higher than between tiers 8 and 10

[_VAMPA_]

Just now, SHDRKN4792 said:

 

Maybe that's not because of the amount of players of the game but maybe... I don't know, a lot of people work and go to sleep past midnight?

its not the point who sleeps and who not idea is when u shred the base more you will receive such queue times and in prime time, with that population game is nearly death we dont have the base of  wot and even there the mm is +-2

[Boris_MNE]

WG do not care, accept that as fact.

 

Cheers

[ForlornSailor]

19 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

The lulz when you're that one T8 in a sea of T9 and T10. That does happen, saw one example the other day.

 

Definatly happens. I´ve been there...

 

28 minutes ago, _VAMPA_ said:

did u play after midnight??????you see current queue times ? but pls give me youre facts

 

So actually you have nothing more then "alternativ facts". No need to argue with facts then, since you are obviously just trolling.

[_VAMPA_]

6 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Definatly happens. I´ve been there...

 

 

So actually you have nothing more then "alternativ facts". No need to argue with facts then, since you are obviously just trolling.

will you give us youre facts or just trollong?????

[ForlornSailor]

@_VAMPA_ You are making crazy assumptions, call em facts and then demand facts yourself if someone calls u out? nah man, aint working like that :)

[_VAMPA_]

3 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

@_VAMPA_ You are making crazy assumptions, call em facts and then demand facts yourself if someone calls u out? nah man, aint working like that :)

WHERE I CALL SOMETHING FACT?

U R THE ONE WITH FACTS !!!

1 hour ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

..... I actually have facts to prove you totaly wrong but ill let u try first...

 

pls take youre pills and dont bother me

[ForlornSailor]

2 hours ago, _VAMPA_ said:

with current active player base.....no way this will rise drastically queue times

 

There is your "alternativ fact". no numbers, no prove, no statistics. Now, next try. Why and how would that be?

[jss78]

I'm actually OK with +/-2 MM in general. In most cases you can contribute reasonably well. It just gets aggravating when it feels like you're up-tiered all the time. I don't mind playing against 2 tiers higher if I get a roughly equal share of games against 2 tiers lower.

 

Tier 8 is definitely one of those rough spots. Better to go straight for Tier 10. You'll be in the exact same games anyway, just in a stronger ship.

 

As far as +1/-1 vs. +2/-2 MM, I don't understand why it has to be either or. Make the algorithm TRY to use +1/-1 during high population hours, and then relax for low-population hours. You won't get those +1/-1 games all the time, but you'll get MORE of them.

[Hawg]

I guess the question is, would you be ok with longer waits for match making if it was limited to +/- 1 tier  for each ship?

 

For me I personally would.   I have a bunch of T8's I've been tryign to grind and they are painful.   Especially on the weekends as the MM seems to get worse.

 

I find for BB its not as big a deal to be a T8 in a T8-10 match (just have to play more conservatively, but you can still compete).   But in CA and DD its a matter of, "how do I avoid being spotted and still do damage?"

[Armorin]

Personally, I haven't felt being T8 in a T8-10 match to be any worse than being T5 in a T5-7 match on the RN CL line. Maybe it's an exception. Non-penetrations and ricochets make up most hits against the higher tiers in both tier ranges.

Whilst the hp pool creep seems less significant in WoWS than WoT, armour plating and punching power seem to make quite a contribution to being effective.

Maybe the difference is mitigated somewhat on BB's AP rounds, due to the over-pens from higher tiers becoming regular pens from the lower tiers?