Is the CV player is the team Babysitter?

[ASharpPencil]

I am tired of players that think that my main goal as CV is to babysit BV them.

It's even worse when there are 3 and more DDs, that run like sick rabbit all over the map and think that I can cover them, spot the enemy DDs for CL with my 2 fighter units.

And more than that, ignore the fact I write in chat about what I plan to do.

 

Then after the die *Edited after 2 min, start to rage in chat about that noon CV that left them to die.

 

I wish you could bluk player in chat in game not only in port.

 

I consider myself decent CV player, and I don't need there abuse in chat.

 

To many *Edited that don't understand how unforgiving CV play is and think 

CV will charge in AA to save them from there mistake.

Players that don't understand that they need to change their play style when there is CV in game.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I laugh at kids who cry for air support.

 

As long as you're sinking the enemy and trying to shoot down red planes then no one can complain. There are CVs who literally don't cover their own fleet or attack anything.

 

Perversely if the enemy CV is better then your team is usually more likely to get more air support as you'll be hanging over friendly AA umbrellas.

[El2aZeR]

Once had a DM cry for AA support.

Insulted me when I pointed out he has the best AA in the game.

[mtm78]

23 minutes ago, ASharpPencil said:

I wish you could bluk player in chat in game not only in port.

 

"Right click -> ignore messages" no longer working in game? 

[Exocet6951]

13 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Once had a DM cry for AA support.

Insulted me when I pointed out he has the best AA in the game.

 

Hey, I think I crossed that same fellow once.
Obviously a Takao is vastly superior to a DM in terms of AA, and should be escorting the poor defenseless DM around, and I was a noob for not doing it 

[El2aZeR]

On 8/25/2017 at 0:55 AM, Exocet6951 said:

Obviously a Takao is vastly superior to a DM in terms of AA, and should be escorting the poor defenseless DM around, and I was a noob for not doing it 

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

*Edited One time a BB insulted me for not giving him AA cover. I told him my fighters had no ammo left and needed to be rearmed because I killed all planes from the last attack directed at another teammate. His response?

"If you hadn't covered him (other teammate), you could've covered me!"

Wat.

[Aotearas]

32 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Once had a DM cry for AA support.

Insulted me when I pointed out he has the best AA in the game.

 

Wut?

 

I mean ... wut!?!?!

 

I understand that some Des Moines players actually chose to use HAS instead of DFAA because hardly any CV even dares to come close to a Des Moines (though me and a couple division mates had a good laugh when our Essex was forced by circumstances to attempt to drop on a Des Moines to help win the game, only to find out he didn't in fact have DFAA, then got wrecked unceremoniously). But even without DFAA a Des Moines has nasty enough AA that it will shoot down plenty aircraft ...

 

Though I would never use anything but DFAA ... but I'm a bit of a vindictive jerk and pray for CVs in my Des Moines games, just so I can gleefully murder all their little pretties with muh magic button.

 

 

And yeah, everyone thinks it's the CV's duty to provide them with 24/7 fighterscreen and spotting, oblivious to the fact there's another 10 people who think the same way. Hell, even I fall for that bias every now and then when I see myself getting focused by the CV though I typically don't overextend, they focus me because they want/need me dead ... so it's a bit frustrating because as the player getting the business end of that attention, it looks entirely predictable and it's too easy to forget how taxing the multitasking of several squadrons at once is, so in the heat of the moment it just feels like you're being left abandoned.

 

Part of why I made it personal policy to compliment every CV (including enemy CVs) when I see them having performed well in the game, regardless of how pissed I might've been during the game. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say.

[Shirakami_Kon]

53 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

"Right click -> ignore messages" no longer working in game? 

 

Well, I hope they fixed it, because I give them the doubt factor about it since it was long ago that I just tried to chatblock a special next level of annoying brat in chat once that was spamming f1, f2, f3, f4... I think you get the idea, nonstop for 10 minutes. 

 

I know it was 10 since I couldn't stand it anymore, tried to chatblock him, wasted all my 7 daily reports of misbehaviour in chat on him but it didn't work.  Two in my team were so pissed off that teamkilled him as I was about to do it myself.  But the guy kept in the game spamming even more... 

[mtm78]

Blocking massages does not block quick commands or map spam, just chat. Yes, something which was fixen in wot Agnes ago is not straight implemented in wows.. 

[AnotherDuck]

I only complain about CVs when they do obviously stupid things, like parking their fighters above the camping BBs instead of trying to help their capping DDs, or think they're playing an immobile airfield.

[RAHJAILARI]

NANA! WAH! Where is my Tutu?Hhehe!(I always wanted one of those, didn't quite realize they would be available in-game though)

Always keep a pacifier on hand...

 

But seriously, I can only say "so it was one of those guys eh?". There are always some, personally I usually just ignore them and whatever they have to say and report the moron, that's all. Luckily I do not play Cv often, mostly DD), but you do get that occasional guy insisting that you smoke them, even if your smoke happens to be in a cooldown. Or like the one, who insisted I smoke him in my Yugumo, which is equipped with a torpedo reload booster instead of smoke, then got a fit and accused me of lying, when I told him I did not have any...

 

Ooh happy days! I know it is sometimes VERY hard to ignore the obvious delinquent, but it is a useful skill to learn. There will be another game after and hopefully you'll get lucky with your teammates this time around.

 

Repeat mantra to self: "I've got 2000 games under my belt, what's one piss-ant in that soup?" Then take a Valium...

 

Also a note, unless he is actually actively trying to teamkill you, avoid the temptation, he can just report or if determined even get you banned on those grounds which may be exactly what he is after. Remember that just ignoring such people in chat always totally pisses them off much worse than anything else because they cannot a rise (hence failing to get any vindication) out of you for their rubbish (now if you were a self-obsessed little git how annoying would that be eh?)...

[22cm]

If it s a cap game, the main role of a CV is to cover his DDs that try to cap with his fighters so they will not be spotted by the enemy fighters. This is for the first 2-3 minutes of the game. If enemy caps and your DDs are dead, game is lost no matter how much damage you do.

[RAHJAILARI]

True dat... A good tip guys! Please apply! (totally looking after my own interest here)...

[P2Win]

Don't you love those CV who does no spotting, no fighter support then blame the team when other CV snipe them?

[RAHJAILARI]

Oh yeah, seen them too quite often but hoping that'll all miraculously change after this thread.

 

Shhush now P2Win please, I'm trying to kiss some CV hiney here so they would cover me in-game this evening (it's my new super-duper-hyperextra awesome secret tactic to motivate potential allies, so no-one must suspect anything ok?). HIGH PRIORITY!

[Spuggy]

hhhhmmm, in low tier games where most ships have absolutely no AA firepower it can make a difference to cover your BB's with fighters. Otherwise they get surprise but sex from seal clubbing CV players.

 

In higher tiers, you should have okay to good AA and know that  grouping with team mates will increase your own protection. You should also be aware at the higher tiers as to what the enemy CV planes are up to and take the correct action at the correct times.

 

Sometimes though, you do get caught out. You hear the torpedo alarm, zoom out and say OMGWTF HEEEEEEELP!

[cro_pwr]

eh, when you get clear sky and kill like 4 ships, and yet someone calls you "retard noob cv" and reports you because of reasons, then you just stop caring that much. but overall people think that CV has a magic button that makes all their ships and all enemy planes just explode in a second. If you don't press that button, you are noob ofc. And 99% ofc people complaining about noob CV never even touched them, let alone know how they work.

[RAHJAILARI]

What! You mean there's NO MAGIC BUTTON? What a horrible thing to say...

[ASharpPencil]

Babysitter >> Seal clubbing >> No AA >> T5 >> Autodrop  = player start to dislike CV... then the grow up to T10, and Spam CV in Chat... 

and the no minimap use, or understanding that you can drop enemy air units that in the way, that there you dont need to babysit him over is head.

OR

and that I love, "take your f** fighters from me" AFTER you did help him!   

 

[Spellfire40]

45 minutes ago, Spuggy said:

hhhhmmm, in low tier games where most ships have absolutely no AA firepower it can make a difference to cover your BB's with fighters. Otherwise they get surprise but sex from seal clubbing CV players.

 

In higher tiers, you should have okay to good AA and know that  grouping with team mates will increase your own protection. You should also be aware at the higher tiers as to what the enemy CV planes are up to and take the correct action at the correct times.

 

Sometimes though, you do get caught out. You hear the torpedo alarm, zoom out and say OMGWTF HEEEEEEELP!

But remember in low Tir you have WASD  since he can only aurodrop and plus any loes of planes hit low tir CVs hard due to non existing reserves...

[Shagulon]

I see this a lot in games. People do think the CV is there to babysit them. 

 

People also think the DD is there to cap for them. Some CVs help the DDs cap by covering them, others just clump all their planes together and go off to farm damage. Which are you?

 

The fact that you are here making this thread makes me think you might be the latter...

[ilhilh]

1,067 games in a Bogue.  Masochist!

 

But yea, most people have incredibly unrealistic views of what a CV player can do with their fighters.

 

Most people expect that you can:

1. scout for the team
2. spot the enemy DDs permanently
3. concentrate your planes at the place the enemy attacks and shoot down all enemy attacking planes

Never mind that:

1. Most enemies are going to actively try and avoid your planes (who would have thought it?!)
2. Most enemies are going to cover their attack squadrons with their own fighters
3. Often you have parity in numbers of fighter squadrons, but even if you outnumber the enemy fighters, you don't have enough to deal with every attacking squadron in a limited time.
4. You lose planes when fighting and you consume ammunition - these 2 things cause you to have to re-arm, and rearming takes time.
5. Some people repeatedly make poor decisions about their positioning with respect to team mates.

For many players those never mind points don't matter - if you aren't fulfilling those top 3 requirements permanently despite them being contradictory, then you are useless and losing is all your fault.

 

Basically, ignore them* - focus on your own game and let the results speak for themselves.

 

 

 

 

*Yea, I get that ignoring them is sometimes easier said than done.  Sometimes I get drawn into arguments.. .but also sometimes I go support the other flank if it is possible to still be helpful to my team and do that.  Screw them.

[BaronTest]

On the other hand - if you do not help your teammates, then do not expect them to help you (so do not call them names for letting that DD to sneak around and attack you). And, also, expect bit higher probability of games being lost :)

Yes, you are not here to make a carebear. But, you know, there is the thing called "a teamplay" which benefits its members :)

[ilhilh]

4 minutes ago, Shagulon said:

Some CVs help the DDs cap by covering them, others just clump all their planes together and go off to farm damage. Which are you?

 

The fact that you are here making this thread makes me think you might be the latter...

Brilliant.  You think that covering DDs whilst they cap is the key to victory.  For starters you have to hope that the DD isn't useless, notices what you are doing and finally makes the most of the protection you provide - this also includes them not potatoing into the first enemy DD or into radar range of a ship.

 

Also, if you are just sat covering a cap you are likely only pushing the enemy CV strike to another team mate and since he knows where your fighters are, he can take all of his time to maximise the effectiveness of the attack.

 

I am all for helping out team mates in those kinds of ways when possible, but actually the best ways to help are:

1. 'farming' that damage yo uare so critical of
2. disrupting the enemy's attempts to 'farm' damage
3. spotting/covering

IN. THAT. ORDER.

 

People get stuck on the notion that the only way to help team mates is by killing the enemy's strike planes and spotting, but any competent CV player can get most of their strike squadrons through any defence you mount so at best all you can do is dilute it - you cannot prevent that damage.

 

And spotting/covering is all well and good but it sits way down the priority list - I'll do that if my planes are not needed for 1 or 2.

 

When I fly along and delete a Chapayev on a flank that is helping the team.  When I delete a half dead BB, which along with is mate was fighting a nice 2v1 fight against a friendly BB that is helping the team.  When I attack a ship and force it to a) turn broadside and b) use it's repair then that is helping the team (even if I don't get chance to follow up a DoT attack myself).  The fact that I can look over the whole map and then attack critical ships to tip the balance of power in that area is yet again helping the team.

 

'Selfish' damage farming is what CVs are BEST at and providing you farm it from the right ships at the right time you will assist your team greatly.  All of the extra bits such as spotting should definitely be done where possible, and may end up being really important when stacked on top of the damage, but they are not match winning tactics on their own.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

12 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Once had a DM cry for AA support.

Insulted me when I pointed out he has the best AA in the game.

LUL what?!?! Some people...

Seriously that cruiser has 7.2km radius no fly zone that only the Midway's strike aircraft has a reasonable chance to penetrate.

Had a Taiho focusing me once and it took him 47 planes to realise he was not getting through but then he was surface spotted and nuked