Graf Zeppelin is an insult to paying customers

[Darth_Glorious]

Crap Zerling secondaries are a bit weak....442 shell hits for only 20k dmg?  Their accuracy is brutal though.

[Capra76]

3 minutes ago, Zogash85 said:

Well, fudge me with a spork... WG is turning into a nuthouse!

 

It's like Foch-gate all over again.

 

You have to wonder how many more CC's will be on the way out after this.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

6 minutes ago, valrond said:

It's true

It seems this game is going down the drain fast.

 

HAHAHA somehow that's really funny, iChase forced into playing some sort of fantasy MMO because of GZ $hitstorm.

 

Still though, GZ ghost release is pretty underhand of WG and more rage is needed over it.... 

 

How do WG keep messing things up? 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

With iChase gone, heat will rise up even more. 

And the letter mentioned antoher video... If they kick Notser as well, they will be in trouble. 

[bigbramble]

Another PR disaster. Our money is no longer safe with this company. They are utterly incompetent. Everything IChase said was true unfortunately. Its a shame WG don't learn from their mistakes.

 

A separate thread should be made about this.

[von_Boeg]

Haha with iChase gone, the most pro-Russian CC is gone. He has been defending the Russian scumlords for a long time, but now even he has seen the light.

 

Let me tell you this tidbit of wisdom: The whole WG company is a Putin attenpt to subvert the West and to divide us. Will not work Muscowite scum. the West will always be superior. McCharthy can not come back soon enough; let us ha the HUAC back!

[mtm78]

https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/134913-you-guys-fired-ichase/

 

 

 

[BillydSquid]

lol, for iChase, who's been shilling for WG a while now, to get cut after panning the GZ you know that WG screwed up and is desperately trying to cover their arse. 

[Major_Damage225]

Nothing can cover this up, this time its a hit to the citadel poin blank. 

 

[Johan_Jung]

3 hours ago, Widar_Thule said:

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As such I advise the WOWS developers to GET A COPY OF THE BOOK "Flugzeugträger Graf Zeppelin" by "Ulrich H.J. Israel" and incorporate the data from that book into the WOWS GRAF ZEPPELIN in order to represent her in an AUTHENTIC manner. This is especially important because the WOWS GRAF ZEPPELIN could not be farther removed from what the real GRAF ZEPPELIN would have been capable of and equipped with in 1943.

 

I hope WG will look into this. My take from the information above is:

1. GZ is (and should remain) a tier VIII aircraft carrier
2. Her air group needs either better (more endurable) aircraft or more of them (3-0-4 configuration)
3. Some flexibility in torpedo/DB configuration

[Major_Damage225]

Its time for the developers to put in some overtime and fix the product and fix whatever can and needs to be fixed, i like the game and it is dissapointing to see things go the way theyr going tbh. 

[Verdius]

3 hours ago, Dlia_Katyushi said:

Is it me or is WG turning into EA and Ubisoft, at light speed? They are lucky no one had sued them yet, and this may have been possible if the Crab Baloon had been released on all servers.

Don't underestimate WG, they are a deceptively big and rich company. WoT is still a massively huge and succesful MMO. They are just as capable of pulling these debacles as any other big 'triple A' publisher. 
 

2 hours ago, Negativvv said:

 

HAHAHA somehow that's really funny, iChase forced into playing some sort of fantasy MMO because of GZ $hitstorm.

 

Still though, GZ ghost release is pretty underhand of WG and more rage is needed over it.... 

 

How do WG keep messing things up? 

 

Because it is the same people that do the same jobs and upper management despite promises never does anything to actually shake up their business.
For example the communication between regional offices and server parity that WG said they would improve? It is still as bad as ever. Nothing ever truly changes, it's just lip service to placate people.

 

2 hours ago, von_Boeg said:

Haha with iChase gone, the most pro-Russian CC is gone. He has been defending the Russian scumlords for a long time, but now even he has seen the light.

 

Let me tell you this tidbit of wisdom: The whole WG company is a Putin attenpt to subvert the West and to divide us. Will not work Muscowite scum. the West will always be superior. McCharthy can not come back soon enough; let us ha the HUAC back!

Not sure if Poe's law....

[Hitman22]

From me, for you:

 

My personal understanding of the problem:

 

WG main policy: Only profit counts

 

WG programmers: We must push out new "pay to play" premium ships as fast as possible, we can always balance them later; Graf Zeppelin is released prematurely.

 

Most contributors reaction: "Its a piece of **** ; fire (at) WG staff!" = Ship is unbalanced, and WG staff is responsible (pointing out the two main problems but also expressing strong emotions similar to disappointed playerbase)

 

WG staff reaction and its probable reason: WG Staff becomes afraid of playerbase not buying their unbalanced ships and delete any contributors who do not advertise buying them. The Idea is to bully other contributors into submission and let them function as advertisers only. Also distracting from their own potential mistakes by attacking instead defending.

 

Consequence: Playerbase understands immediately that contributors are correct, they lose all trust in WG staffs decisions and their ability to change, spend less or no money, WG potential profit is dropping.

 

My personal conclusions:

 

I. Wargaming is harming its own interests

II. The problem are not the community contributors but the staffs poor decisions (its not the first time?)

III. Unbiased community contributors are needed (If WG wants to be credible)

IV. Emotional critisism is constructive too (its like your girlfriend is shouting at you)

V. Only a happy customer is a returning customer

 

My personal understanding of a solution: WG staff need to learn from their own mistakes and contributors critisism instead of deleting them.

 

thank you.

 

in memoriam of iChase and others

[1MajorKoenig]

Nothing iChase says is wrong. 

 

WG you are pathetic trying to hide the mess you created !

[Spellfire40]

6 hours ago, Ofenkartoffel said:

With iChase gone, heat will rise up even more. 

And the letter mentioned antoher video... If they kick Notser as well, they will be in trouble. 

Nobster asked for information and was given the Impresion that GZ was unfinished and the release was a Msstake. I highly dobt they do that anyway Ichase ddint even  atacked someone personally he pointed fingers at departments that seems to bhe out of touch with reality. Maybe in a harsh way,But anything he said was true anyway.

 

To WG : Whiele im angry and feel cheated by having to payed to alphatest a unfinished product Let me say this:

 

You learned nothing from the WoT Crysler debakel in regaurd of public relation.  IF dedicated CV player and CCs/youtuber and people who bought the ship say that its is a unaceptable pile of crap that is unplayable in 98% if the games if your oponent CV has any kind of brain perhaps ythey might just have a better perspective of the real situation? Killing of  one of the few CCs that regulary provide contend on youtube  dont help your game either.. Im sorry to say your deciding peaple ARE out of touch of reality and the ones who should give the data to them to make an informed decision are either not doing their job or dont have any infuence to do so. Anyway you again tryed to fight a fire by throwing gasoline on it.............

[Ishiro32]

 

Since I am not a WG CC, I think I can say.

 

For anyone who bought this ship:

 

Please do not be afraid to send ticket for a refund for Graf Zeppelin. There are limits to how  bad company can handle a situation and the strongest weapon against corporation customers have are not strong words, but denial of transaction. This is second time we are having problem like that. 

 

I trust our moderators that this message is within rules of the forum. At this point it has to be

[Boris_MNE]

You are actually right, I am not CC as well therefore:

 

 

 

Please do not be afraid to send ticket for a refund for Graf Zeppelin. There are limits to how  bad company can handle a situation and the strongest weapon against corporation customers have are not strong words, but denial of transaction. This is second time we are having problem like that. 

 

[Ishiro32]

I don't think this is a message that requires multiple repetition. Let's just keep it here. 

 

This situation is ridiculous though

[1MajorKoenig]

3 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said:

You are actually right, I am not CC as well therefore:

 

 

 

Please do not be afraid to send ticket for a refund for Graf Zeppelin. There are limits to how  bad company can handle a situation and the strongest weapon against corporation customers have are not strong words, but denial of transaction. This is second time we are having problem like that. 

 

 

Exactly what I did.

 

WG doesn't only release half finished pieces of crap

 

No they also censor CCs.

 

Good job never going to buy again from you

[Spellfire40]

11 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

Exactly what I did.

 

WG doesn't only release half finished pieces of crap

 

No they also censor CCs.

 

Good job never going to buy again from you

They did not censor CCs (thogh i find it strange that flamu hasnt said anything yet since he too call crap crap when he sees it) Its their choise to with who they work and who dont. Does this leave a bad afterteaste ? Yes certainly but its not censoring.

 

They weret so stupid to threaten a Youtube copyright stike again (yet? concerning how low they go AGIN on a PR isue) THAT would cont as consoring.....

I can only gues Victors facial impresion if he hears of this. Would be nice if one of his companys products dont create absolute a and totaly avoidable unnessesary shitstorm..

[ImperialAdmiral]

IChase wasn't my favourite of WoWs CCs but I still enjoyed his videos.

 

I can only say one thing:

 

WG that's low. 

 

It is like shooting yourself in the foot again and again and again...

 

[Ishiro32]

At this point this is more about principals. WG is selling microtransaction in early access form for the price of full product.

 

WG was ok within their rights to terminate cooperation with iChase because he said this is outragous, but they shouldn't.

They should take the heat and admit that they rushed this release and apologise to everyone giving anyone who bought ship before apology option to refund it without providing reason. Instead they decided to say git good regarding a ship that no one in community is able to work and they lashed out at anyone in their reach who steped out of line. No to mention that they said that everything is finished even though evidence is plainly seen by anyone, because game doesn't have UI elements to support this ship.

 

WG is treating people like morons. Just because they can, doesn't make it right.

[Aragathor]

Just a quick note, if you haven't visited the NA forum you might want to.

The whole situation just about exploded there. What you see here is really tame.

[1MajorKoenig]

Kicking out iChase for pointing out the obvious might be within their right but only makes things worse.

 

The part I don't understand (honestly) is that it would be easy to admit that the ship isn't finalized and let ppl know what is going to happen.

 

Instead they pretend all is fine where it is not. 

[Aotearas]

13 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Kicking out iChase for pointing out the obvious might be within their right but only makes things worse.

 

The part I don't understand (honestly) is that it would be easy to admit that the ship isn't finalized and let ppl know what is going to happen.

 

Instead they pretend all is fine where it is not. 

 

There is no easy solution here for WG.

 

IF the release of the ship was unintentional, oh boy did someone FUBARBUNDY'ed at his job. I mean they released the ship on the first (public) day of Gamescom, they were advertising it on Gamescom (with evidently prepared presentations), they had a news article about it. This wasn't a case of someone accidentally pressing a button. The release was prepared. That's not just messing up, that's graduating the University of Mess-Up-City with honours, acquiring a doctorate in advanced f*ck-ups, then dedicating five years of research into how to screw up the most effective way and what we have here is the result of a triple-checked 1000 page research paper.

 

And if the release of the ship was intentional, then someone clearly thought that the ship in its current state is worth ~50 bucks standalone AND that people would want to buy it (I am presuming based on the current state of the ship, not the earlier iterations that hyped it up with its ludicrous 3x5 TB strike package, because the obvious alternative would be extremely underhanded hype abuse). I'd question anyone's state-of-mind who'd genuinely think people would be happy with this ship as it stands right now.

 

This ship simply should've never been realeased in its current state. The moment it got live on the premium shop is the point of no return for WG, they dun fooked up so magnificiently they simply don't have a good path to choose, only paths that are slightly less worse than the others.