Graf Zeppelin is an insult to paying customers

[mtm78]

1 minute ago, bigbramble said:

Anyone posted anything on the WOT reddit to drum up more support and awareness for this disaster? Perhaps we should contact Jim Sterling again?

 

I don't Reddit but a little birdie told me Jim is already aware   

[bigbramble]

Just now, mtm78 said:

 

I don't Reddit but a little birdie told me Jim is already aware   

 

Very glad to hear it. :)

[Kandly]

Just now, mtm78 said:

https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/134780-premium-ship-review-graf-zeppelin/?page=17

 

Someone should post there how CC's are being censored in EU, will be fun to read if they agree. 

 

Like I said, we are not censoring anyone. This topic currently requires the usual amount of moderation, that's it.

[Admiral_noodle]

15 minutes ago, Verdius said:

Just edited the Something interesting from RU/World thingy

It pains me to ask this but... what's your source? I'm not aware of any communication sent out globally by WG admitting there is an issue with GZ and as far as I can see she's still on sale and being advertised...

[mtm78]

4 minutes ago, Kandly said:

 

Like I said, we are not censoring anyone. This topic currently requires the usual amount of moderation, that's it.

 

I think opinions on what censoring entails might differ in this situation   That is why I suggested it, I wonder if Notser thinks his video is toxic, or iChase for that matter. 

 

2 minutes ago, Admiral_noodle said:

It pains me to ask this but... what's your source? I'm not aware of any communication sent out globally by WG admitting there is an issue with GZ and as far as I can see she's still on sale and being advertised...

 

Notsers stream. 

 

In short: he said there had just been a bulletin given out that GZ was pulled in micro patch but it would be given back with changes and that they were looking forward to hearing the feedback on those changes. Aka -> another testing round. So he said WG EU released it apparently by mistake, and that no one should buy it as it's not finished. He also mentioned the drop mechanic specifically, which makes what he said pretty iconic considering this thread from Ishiro32 don't you think? You're basically saying the same thing, so even if there is no official ( public ) communique, there seems to be an consensus about the ship being released in an unfit state, AND WITHOUT giving ANY CC the chance to review the final state. 

 

 

[Major_Damage225]

And here i thought the christmas debacle was the last big one... oh well. 

[Exocet6951]

What worries me is people rushing to defend it, saying things like "With the reviews from the CCs, they should have known and not bought it"

Because obviously everyone follows CCs and stays informed of every little detail of everything.

[Kandly]

Just now, mtm78 said:

 

I think opinions on what censoring entails might differ in this situation   

 

 

I don't want this situation to be uselessly aggravated for no reason, when we could be having a conversation instead. Why say things that aren't true, like the fact that we're censoring contributors? Seriously, just keep bad words out of your posts and you won't be moderated. Is that really so difficult? The forum rules are very simple and available to everyone who wants to check them.

[mtm78]

2 minutes ago, Kandly said:

I don't want this situation to be uselessly aggravated for no reason, when we could be having a conversation instead. Why say things that aren't true, like the fact that we're censoring contributors? Seriously, just keep bad words out of your posts and you won't be moderated. Is that really so difficult? The forum rules are very simple and available to everyone who wants to check them.

 

The post of mine which got entirely deleted had ZERO words, just two video's. One from Notser, one from iChase. 

 

??

 

I am saying things which are not true? I have screenshots if you want me to post them..... 

 

 

 

 

[ASharpPencil]

M Lexi 1-1-1 vs GZ 

[Jethro_Grey]

26 minutes ago, bigbramble said:

Anyone posted anything on the WOT reddit to drum up more support and awareness for this disaster? Perhaps we should contact Jim Sterling again?

 

Posted it on the WoT forums in the balance thread to have it locked immediately.

A lil' bird told me, that all WG EU and NA CCs with a larger fan base have been informed about the newest debacle.

And thanks to WGs censoring run in general in this topic and the removal of Notsers and ichase vid, i'd say it generated enough interest outside the forums. Thx WG!

 

25 minutes ago, kekzmann said:

So i just played a round and finally found the REAL way to play the Zeppelin!

 

top kek, Edited . :D

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inappropriate remarks

[Widar_Thule]

This statement on the AP bombs from WG. That is too funny or painful depending on your point of view...

 

First WG introduces an untested concept, AP bombs with a 6+ seconds time delay, on a real world money costing ship which cost 50-100 real world currency. Anyone who has used these AP bombers in just four matches with GRAF ZEPPELIN can easily see it just does not give any constantly reproducible hit and damage effect. And thus you are a disadvantage in your GOLD PREMIUM ship versus the TRIED AND TESTED torpedo bombers which WOWS has had since launch a few years ago. Spend 10 minutes on the test server with GRAF ZEPPELIN against target ships makes even more painfully clear just how utterly random the hit and damage of 6+ seconds delay AP bombs are at best against stationary ships.

 

So what will Wargaming do to "fix" this? They will introduce another new and untested concept, "deep dive/running" torpedoes. So suppose these new "wonder" torpedoes are just as bad as the new concept "wonder" AP bombs with their 6+ second time delay? Then GRAF ZEPPELIN will then have a choice of useless 6+ second delay AP bombs AND useless deep dive/running torpedoes. It just keeps getting better! Just stack new untried stuff on more new untried stuff and put them on PREMIUM ships, the most expensive ones preferably. Right, that is smart. Nothing wins customer hearts more than making their real world money ships inferior to silver ships.

 

What you SHOULD do at WG is use TRIED and TESTED weapons on a PREMIUM ship costing 50 to 100 real world currency.

 

TRIED AND TESTED. Not "new concept" untried 6+ second delay AP Bombs or the untried and untested upcoming deep dive/running torpedoes.

 

What then if you at WG want to test 6+ second delay AP bombs? Sure go ahead do it on a SILVER ship... go right ahead. Give them to SHOKAKU or LEXINGTON. But NOT to a new 50 to 100 real world currency PREMIUM ship. If they work on SHOKAKU or LEXINGTON, then take them away from the SILVER ships and put them on gold ships like ENTERPRISE and GRAF ZEPPELIN if you want. But do NOT test new concepts on new expensive PREMIUM ships.

 

And what if you people at WG want to test deep dive/running torpedoes? Sure go ahead but again do it on a SILVER ship...

 

Give PREMIUM ships TRIED AND TESTED weapons, that means torpedoes, shells and bombs which have been used in WOWS for at least 12 months. Experiment with SILVER ships but not GOLD ships...

 

Again so it sinks in there at WG: experiment all you like, but do it with SILVER ships and NOT with PREMIUM GOLD ships.

 

[Ishiro32]

I think we should focus on the topic at hand. Forum rules are quite strict, but I don't think we should go too deep into this discussion. 

 

I am glad that this situation got attention outside of this forum because I honestly feel selling ship in this form is a disgrace. I wish my opening post was a bit stronger but it was the first reaction and I tend to be rathet calm in my feedback. I don't think Graf Zeppelin deserves calm. It is that bad.

[anonym_UgMNTuWYVfiQ]

5 minutes ago, ASharpPencil said:

M Lexi 1-1-1 vs GZ 

Like I said the whining is all because the new ship isn't OP.

[Verdius]

24 minutes ago, Admiral_noodle said:

It pains me to ask this but... what's your source? I'm not aware of any communication sent out globally by WG admitting there is an issue with GZ and as far as I can see she's still on sale and being advertised...

 

My source on the recall was Notser saying that he had contact with WG NA and that there was a mistake with a premature launch, which I was inclined to take as legit due to him being a CC and WG not issueing any other statements. Only today WG commented on the release so I edited it.

The part on the AP bombs not working as advertised and the delay never having been tested is quite apparent though.
And for that I find it only fair that I warn players to not buy it.

[Jethro_Grey]

13 minutes ago, Kandly said:

 

I don't want this situation to be uselessly aggravated for no reason, when we could be having a conversation instead. Why say things that aren't true, like the fact that we're censoring contributors? Seriously, just keep bad words out of your posts and you won't be moderated. Is that really so difficult? The forum rules are very simple and available to everyone who wants to check them.

 

 

Removing links in posts to reviews in form of videos, that are hosted outside the domain of Wargaming is censorship. 

The fact that WG is defending this with "forum rules" is just a poor excuse, as those videos are not hosted directly - unlike written posts - on this site.

 

And even if this applies to the forum rules as well, you guys should have known that taking this kind of actions would be like pouring gasoline on a fire.

 

 

Neither do i, but, i can't remember seeing anyone from WG participating in this discussion, you've just posted that you'll will look into it and then we got this stupid excuse from the DEVs that was posted on SEA. Fact, none of the WG employees are interested in a discussion about this topic because WG knows that they are wrong.

 

Ignoring the justified complaints from two servers, several CC will not do WG any good.

 

 

[creamgravy]

So, rushing a premium CV out for gamesthingy ended badly?

 

Oh dear.

 

 

[mtm78]

5 minutes ago, Ishiro32 said:

It is that bad.

 

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/169197956

 

Farazelleth seems to agree. 

 

"I BOUGHT THIS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO!" 

[Micromagos]

1 hour ago, Fourbombs said:

Like I said the whining is all because the new ship isn't OP.

Or more likely that the AP bombs are a sick joke. For gameplay they don't make any sense as the HE is literally better in every way, it doesn't even require setup because of the circle drop, it has a higher maximum damage, and the elephant in the room there is no colossal delay which means you can literally outmaneuver it and makes manual drop worthless. Either the ship was rushed cause someone in marketing said we need more $$$$$$ as the balancing team begged for more time. Or else the balancing team really didn't invest any time in this ship just went over it briefly and said screw it. I'm guessing its the former but who knows maybe its not marketing but just sloppy balancing. The only reason the ship has semi decent stats is because people are NOT USING the AP bombs.

[avenger121]

WG: "We are not censoring guys, it is the truth."

 

Thread overly critical with WG pops up, woosh, suddenly 6 moderators + Kandly permanently online in this thread.

[1MajorKoenig]

1 minute ago, avenger121 said:

WG: "We are not censoring guys, it is the truth."

 

Thread overly critical with WG pops up, woosh, suddenly 6 moderators + Kandly permanently online in this thread.

 

Permantly online = good

 

Contributions towards a solution = zero

[Jethro_Grey]

33 minutes ago, Kandly said:

 

Like I said, we are not censoring anyone. This topic currently requires the usual amount of moderation, that's it.

 

 

Oh, really? The usual amount you say?

Pls tell me, since when is replying to post in a humorous fashion with "top kek, you cheater :D" in any way offensive or inappropriate...unless we consider the context and say that the GZ is only useful for ramming other players...then it makes sense.

 

16 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

 

Posted it on the WoT forums in the balance thread to have it locked immediately.

A lil' bird told me, that all WG EU and NA CCs with a larger fan base have been informed about the newest debacle.

And thanks to WGs censoring run in general in this topic and the removal of Notsers and ichase vid, i'd say it generated enough interest outside the forums. Thx WG!

 

 

top kek, Edited . :D

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inappropriate remarks

 

 

Someone with a NA account pls post this on NA, we should raise awareness there.

Also, for those who don't read that thread - you totally should - the NA community stated that they will raise hell should WG NA even thinking about censoring LWM review.

 

The NA topic seems unmoderated, at least from what i can tell as the players there are criticizing WG as much as we do.

Yet they don't seem to have a forum police to censor and edit posts.

[Nazgarth]

6 minutes ago, avenger121 said:

WG: "We are not censoring guys, it is the truth."

 

Thread overly critical with WG pops up, woosh, suddenly 6 moderators + Kandly permanently online in this thread.

 

Same tactiks they tried with WoT and the Foch debacle. Cover ups, lying, and WG shitposts. Trust no one who is employed by WG. Also expect rank incompetence of WG EU employees, especially the higher up on the idiot scale they are within the office.

[Reisen__]

 

[philjd]

The NA's similar thread - started by LittleWhiteMouse - interesting read, especially her opening post.

 

https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/134780-premium-ship-review-graf-zeppelin/