Verdict on Nelson?

[Hades_warrior]

If I have 10k+ doubloons, I would rather buy a Scharnhorst. Instant, without any dilema.

Scharn is much more fun to play.

[walter3kurtz]

You gotta love the forums sometimes.

 

Nelson was clearly advertised as having accurate guns with less AP effectiveness against BB due to fuse time > forum goes crazy about AP performance.

 

Also it was clear from the get go that this ship isn't tanky but in return gets guns that can hit what you aim at consistently. Instead of being happy people go nuts about taking damage.

 

HE is known to be the RN gimmick.

 

I mean, what?

[Cyclops_]

Getting the hang of her now, use AP on cruisers and DD's, HE on BB's, and just hope and pray there are no CV's in game otherwise you are toast if spotted.

Have come top in a couple of Random games with over 100k damage each time 

[xenopathia]

3 hours ago, Hades_warrior said:

If I have 10k+ doubloons, I would rather buy a Scharnhorst. Instant, without any dilema.

Scharn is much more fun to play.

Would you buy it if you had 6000 doubloons and 165k free xp?

[RUSSIANBlAS]

1 hour ago, walter3kurtz said:

You gotta love the forums sometimes.

 

Nelson was clearly advertised as having accurate guns with less AP effectiveness against BB due to fuse time > forum goes crazy about AP performance.

 

Also it was clear from the get go that this ship isn't tanky but in return gets guns that can hit what you aim at consistently. Instead of being happy people go nuts about taking damage.

 

HE is known to be the RN gimmick.

 

I mean, what?

 

Yeah too many are getting wound up and saying HE is noob or AP needs buffs... As a rule of thumb I find pure AP is possible vs same and lower tier MM. Don't even bother trying to outgun T9 BBs with AP. Otherwise just HE spam and go AP for Cruisers or close up BB work. But whatever works for the individual!

[22cm]

My arse is sitting on 1.7 mil free XP. I have not bought neither Missouri nor Nelson so far.

 

And I find it disgusting that the 2nd ship available for free XP is again another BB.

[ilhilh]

1 minute ago, Negativvv said:

 

Yeah too many are getting wound up and saying HE is noob or AP needs buffs... As a rule of thumb I find pure AP is possible vs same and lower tier MM. Don't even bother trying to outgun T9 BBs with AP. Otherwise just HE spam and go AP for Cruisers or close up BB work. But whatever works for the individual!

 

I have been able to do fairly consistent 10-15k salvos against the FdG.  If people are aiming for the waterline and wondering why they are getting no damage then I don't really have much sympathy for them.  Just aim a bit higher and your damage shoots up against BBs.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

10 minutes ago, ilhilh said:

 

I have been able to do fairly consistent 10-15k salvos against the FdG.  If people are aiming for the waterline and wondering why they are getting no damage then I don't really have much sympathy for them.  Just aim a bit higher and your damage shoots up against BBs.

Is that because of bad players giving you broadsides however?

 

Nelson's AP performance is probably the worst tier for tier I've experienced since that T5 German BB. I can get decent success with it but I seem to do better switching shells. The Lion which I've used in PT can do extremely well with only AP so it's a different animal.

[mikelight1805]

26 minutes ago, 22cm said:

My arse is sitting on 1.7 mil free XP. I have not bought neither Missouri nor Nelson so far.

 

And I find it disgusting that the 2nd ship available for free XP is again another BB.

 

Because cruisers are hard. imagine the whine from potatoes who sink hundreds of thousands of free XP into something that wasn't easy to play

[ilhilh]

7 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

Is that because of bad players giving you broadsides however?

 

Nelson's AP performance is probably the worst tier for tier I've experienced since that T5 German BB. I can get decent success with it but I seem to do better switching shells. The Lion which I've used in PT can do extremely well with only AP so it's a different animal.

Well, if a ship is  broadside or turning to give more broadside then I will pick the right moment to fire, but that is no different to me playing Colorado or Gneisenau or whatever - if ships are bow tanking then it is harder to do AP damage full stop.

 

I definitely find getting citadels against enemy BBs more difficult with it than most of its compatriots (the Hood behaves the same) although I got a nice on on an NCal this morning, but the straight up damage you can do to BBs when hitting the superstructure is comparable to other ships.

[pUREsTORM]

PSA for Nelson players for the coming week; expect to get focused a lot more than usual thanks to the new RN BB missions. On the bright side; lots of squishy cruisers to get easy citadels on.

[Hades_warrior]

2 hours ago, xenopathia said:

Would you buy it if you had 6000 doubloons and 165k free xp?

Of course.

Doubloons on Scharn when the price is lowered under 9k doubloons (-30% discounts), and free EXP on rest of British BB line (Hull researches).

But thats just my opinion.

[creamgravy]

This is my highest potential damage game in Nelson so far. I don't have JoaT and got sunk 10s before my last heal came online. 

 

 

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Well AP only is viable I guess...

 

 

BUT I was top tier and the most armoured thing on the other team was a Scharnhorst who ate a tasty 18k in a single salvo.

 

Will say here again, do NOT HE spam an enemy Nelson. You are far far far better off using AP only on your mirrored enemy as he cannot heal nearly as much AP damage. Also the Nelson's armour pattern is almost entirely vulnerable to AP, even heavily angled or bow in he's going to be eating some big numbers. 

 

I'd still advocate HE more when you're uptiered...

[44smok]

changing my mind. It's still a noob trap but the opness is there. Better than wurst? It actually may be.

 

[Ferry_25]

so. From what I'm reading here and elsewhere my preliminary and careful conclusion tempts to Nelson is playing like a British cruiser with 1 micron more armor (double paint I guess) which can hardly move has to use HE because the AP is unreliable but has some crazy heal.

my rush to grind it hasn't taken on much I must admit.

[ShinGetsu]

15 minutes ago, Ferry_25 said:

so. From what I'm reading here and elsewhere my preliminary and careful conclusion tempts to Nelson is playing like a British cruiser with 1 micron more armor (double paint I guess) which can hardly move has to use HE because the AP is unreliable but has some crazy heal.

my rush to grind it hasn't taken on much I must admit.

You read wrong.

AP is strong when used correctly. It has short fuse, so any kind of spaced armor will just eat it without any damage. But when aiming directly at single-plate armor, the short fuse will do huge damage because there will be only a few overpens.

It is slow but turn well.

[Ferry_25]

23 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

You read wrong.

AP is strong when used correctly. It has short fuse, so any kind of spaced armor will just eat it without any damage. But when aiming directly at single-plate armor, the short fuse will do huge damage because there will be only a few overpens.

It is slow but turn well.

Hence my preliminary conclusion. I'll be patient and take all the time in the world to see how the AP works. RNG being my worst enemy anyway, I don't want to bait into playing a ship which can make a wonderful salvo, once every millenium when the stars are perfectly alinged and I made the right amount of sheep sacrifices that moment.

[ilhilh]

It is incredibly accurate - it is easy to get the shells to go where you want them to go.  Shooting at the right time and at the right place... well those are down to the player.

[MeTaLMooSe]

All aboard the failteam bote.......

 

10 battles is all I can face so far with a lol 10% win rate.

This ship cannot face enemies from multiple directions when your team are off licking the borders or just dying.

I did get to test it's ability to dual DD's. Two came in for what they thought as 'last ship easy kill, wounded Bison' . Not one torp hit me and both were disintegrated in a plume of HE and DD gibs.

I'm going to have to sacrifice a Guinea pig or something to exorcise her failteam demons.

 

Tis also a CV magnet at present. Didn't even fire my main guns in one match before a Taiho utterly smashed me.

I'm feeling this ship currently has a large bullseye on it's deck and a 'kick me' post it note on her stern!

[cracktrackflak]

I find Nelson fun and useable, but it does not feel like a BB. Most of my games so far on NA and EU have been Tier 9. At this tier, Nelson lacks the gun range to snipe, the AP to achieve citadels, and the speed to react to the game (ie, even if you guess correctly which way your team will go at spawn, you can still be left behind and then chased down by every ship on the enemy team). Hood can at least kite away in most circumstances.

 

I haven't found Nelson's "super-heal" to be that dramatic, either; I think you have to be in one of those streamer games where the enemy mysteriously ignore you for the repeat heal to be fully exploited...

 

WG basically seem to have put a BB skin on a slow heavy cruiser (its probably Suffolk or Norfolk underneath...).

Hood and Nelson both have to resort to HE vs BBs at any sort of range and unless they have a broadside, and thats pretty sad for what are supposed to be supreme gun ships. The lack of spotter planes, hydro and air defence also seems to be an artificial handicap imposed by WG.

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

15 minutes ago, MeTaLMooSe said:

All aboard the failteam bote.......

 

10 battles is all I can face so far with a lol 10% win rate.

This ship cannot face enemies from multiple directions when your team are off licking the borders or just dying.

I did get to test it's ability to dual DD's. Two came in for what they thought as 'last ship easy kill, wounded Bison' . Not one torp hit me and both were disintegrated in a plume of HE and DD gibs.

I'm going to have to sacrifice a Guinea pig or something to exorcise her failteam demons.

 

Tis also a CV magnet at present. Didn't even fire my main guns in one match before a Taiho utterly smashed me.

I'm feeling this ship currently has a large bullseye on it's deck and a 'kick me' post it note on her stern!

 

No ship should ever be fighting enemies from multiple directions. It's just that some botes punish you harder for it.

 

You have be really cautious in the Nelson as your tanking ability is your healing. If you over extend you get obliterated.

 

I really enjoy Nelson as it's just different to play compared to other BBs. Appalling AA is a bit of an issue but other than Gnesi and maybe a specced Colo all the T7 BB are bad at shooting down flying diseases.

[MeTaLMooSe]

 

I like her but honestly it's like the special bus on a special day out from the special home for mummies special little boys.

One win in 10 whilst my team fails around me doesn't allow you appreciate and get to know your ship.

It has been a good test in working out how to mitigate incoming and deal with destroyers and is an overall nice ship.

Any ship with nine rifles up front with good accuracy and equally viable HE/AP is a good ship in my book.

 

Now then. 'All aboard the special bus. Border tours and visits to those obscure islands, and YOU! In the back there! Stop licking the windows!'

[RUSSIANBlAS]

9 minutes ago, cracktrackflak said:

I find Nelson fun and useable, but it does not feel like a BB. Most of my games so far on NA and EU have been Tier 9. At this tier, Nelson lacks the gun range to snipe, the AP to achieve citadels, and the speed to react to the game (ie, even if you guess correctly which way your team will go at spawn, you can still be left behind and then chased down by every ship on the enemy team). Hood can at least kite away in most circumstances.

 

I haven't found Nelson's "super-heal" to be that dramatic, either; I think you have to be in one of those streamer games where the enemy mysteriously ignore you for the repeat heal to be fully exploited...

 

WG basically seem to have put a BB skin on a slow heavy cruiser (its probably Suffolk or Norfolk underneath...).

Hood and Nelson both have to resort to HE vs BBs at any sort of range and unless they have a broadside, and thats pretty sad for what are supposed to be supreme gun ships. The lack of spotter planes, hydro and air defence also seems to be an artificial handicap imposed by WG.

 

 

Hmm yes in a higher tier game you basically have to yolo into the action or get left behind. It's a typical slow BB in that a bad choice or spawn basically dooms you to failure.

 

I've used the superheal many times although I imagine folk will learn to fire AP at the Nelson which greatly reduces the healing ability. 

 

Hood has similarly bad pen vs BB?! Urgh and I was going to buy it at some stage. Although it is fast, the sheer size of it is a little off putting.

[pUREsTORM]

2 hours ago, Ferry_25 said:

so. From what I'm reading here and elsewhere my preliminary and careful conclusion tempts to Nelson is playing like a British cruiser with 1 micron more armor (double paint I guess) which can hardly move has to use HE because the AP is unreliable but has some crazy heal.

my rush to grind it hasn't taken on much I must admit.

No don't listen to the HE advocates. AP is what you should be using most of the time, HE only against angled BBs.