Verdict on Nelson?

[Cyclops_]

On ‎22‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 4:22 PM, T0byJug said:

WAY WAY to Early to come to any definitive conclusion BUT 

At the moment she is doing pretty well.

 

 

Are a lot of these battles done by testers??

[22cm]

4 minutes ago, OGHF_Cyclops said:

 

Are a lot of these battles done by testers??

 

Ofc. I even saw some Brit BB testers playing mostly in divisions.

[TheCinC]

On 22-8-2017 at 5:22 PM, T0byJug said:

WAY WAY to Early to come to any definitive conclusion BUT 

At the moment she is doing pretty well.

 

*cries in average*

[TheCinC]

On 22-8-2017 at 4:01 PM, SgtToad said:

The AP is a joke. Regularly land 3 pens on a BB for around 7k damage. Pens, not hits.

 

I haven't even bothered to try out AP.

If HMS Lion's AP doesn't do squat, even though it has better guns and presumably better shells, then I am not going to try.

 

That said, I like her, had a lot of fun playing her yesterday.

I sucked, but that goes without saying, I am still barely average, but she's wonderfully recreated and.. I dunno.

I liked her MUCH more than I expected, hope it stays that way.

[ColonelPete]

AP is ok at closer ranges (sub 14km) and it murders cruisers at any range.

Yes, she is a bit squishy from the side which is a bit disappointing considering her real life armor, but if you know how to play Dunk, NC or the old Iowa and Montanas, you are fine.

[SgtToad]

1 hour ago, pUREsTORM said:

This is my opinion after 30 or so games, with 66% WR and 85k average damage.

 

Very powerful but you will get punished if you don't angle and/or try to brawl.

As funny as it seems, it's easier to citadel Nelson through the bow than it is when she's broadside, at least from my experience of shooting other Nelsons in my Nelson. You need to stay at mid-range, this is a must. At 15km or so, you can't reliably citadel her through the bow/stern. This is her comfort zone, since you can retreat if needed under concealment.

Despite this, she is still in my opinion good if not competitive. Her guns are fantastic, a breath of fresh air compared to the more mediocre Hood guns. I think her AP is good, despite what others are saying. Yes, you can't reliably citadel other BBs, deal with it. This is going to be the trait of all the RN BBs, so suck it up if you're going to be grinding the line in the next few weeks. Her AP is utterly fantastic against squisher targets, like cruisers, and she can still reliably get regular pens versus broadsiding BBs, just not citadels. As someone said earlier in the thread, she does consistent damage through regular pens. That said, don't neglect her HE either, very nice against angled BBs.

 

Overall, she's very squishy if you're not positioned correctly, but her firepower and Repair Party more than makes up for her weaknesses.

 

Would be great if ppl like you could put some vids on youtube showing how you're playing her.

[Djansolo]

On 22/8/2017 at 4:51 PM, MeTaLMooSe said:

Flamu (x2), Notser and Ichase have all done preview videos of Nelson. You are getting the ship they test so there aren't any excuses that it doesn't do what it says on the tin.

You get nine 'soft' guns up front on a squishy hull with poor AA and secondaries, OK manouverability and an epic heal.

It's an informed decision whether or not you want to exchange your hard earned XP for it.

To come here and moan just tells us someone didn't do their homework.

Had a handfull of games so far in her.

Still struggling to adjust my playstyle. For now I would do better in Nagato or even Gneisenau (dont have scharn).

But even though she is frustrating at times, or maybe rather my poor play in it, its the most fun I have had in ages.

Ammowise I think it was Notser or Flamu who said simply reverse it: use HE as standard, and only AP when the rigth situation occurs

[pUREsTORM]

31 minutes ago, Djansolo said:

Had a handfull of games so far in her.

Still struggling to adjust my playstyle. For now I would do better in Nagato or even Gneisenau (dont have scharn).

But even though she is frustrating at times, or maybe rather my poor play in it, its the most fun I have had in ages.

Ammowise I think it was Notser or Flamu who said simply reverse it: use HE as standard, and only AP when the rigth situation occurs

 Probably Notser, because you shouldn't be using HE as standard. The only situation where you need to use HE is against angled BBs.

[Admiral_noodle]

So I bought Nelson immediately as soon as she went live. I have had sine experience with her so I'll god you my thoughts 

 

- definitely worth getting if you like BBs and like accurate guns

- the AP isn't a joke. But stop firing at BB water lines. Treat every BB as "German" and you'll get a lot of hits and a lot of damage with AP. 

- use HE when you are facing angled or bow on BBs, although tier 7 and below you can overmatch their noses anyway. 

 

- good agile ship. Not too slow. But seen from the moon and if you try to tank in the open you'll be eating citadels from all angles and generally worked down pretty quick. 

 

- the heal is insane. Engage, do damage, disengage (use islands) and then come back for more. 

 

There are so many loveable tier 7 BBs now though. 

[Kashuken]

Only 3 games because work and i canny be arsed to get on but it is a fun ship.

 

I threw HE like i was in an Atlanta, fire everywhere, BB on fire, Cruisers on fire, DD on fire even a CV got set on fire and it is fun because fire doesnt do jack to you because you can heal it all back even if you have 3 fires who cares just hit that heal and hide away hugging your island waifu.

 

AP i tired now and again but always had it loaded at the wrong time so EL i think is needed tbh but i need the essentials on my capt tbh.

 

It is slow but does not seem that slow, all 9 guns at front is very nice and with most of the ship at the back peekaboo works a treat, does take damage easily to a point but then again it does not so armor seems to work apart from broadside but same for most ships to a point.

 

It is a fun ship and i enjoy it purly because i throw fire around like an arsonist as a BB while soaking up damage and repairing back to full just to do it all again.

[Hades_warrior]

6 hours ago, Nfinitum said:

Did anyone work out how many doubloons it takes to convert to free EXP for this ship?

 

Thanks.

15,000 doubloons.

 

Yea, very ''cheap'' for tier 7...

[22cm]

We ve seen the BBs "better HE than AP", now I m waiting for the BB "better torp than shoot".

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

38 minutes ago, Hades_warrior said:

15,000 doubloons.

 

Yea, very ''cheap'' for tier 7...

 

With GamesCom 1:35 exchange rate it is 10.000+ ...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Butterdoll]

On ‎22‎-‎08‎-‎2017 at 1:19 PM, SgtToad said:

I am struggling in this tbh. I'm a decent BB player (not great), but am really struggling to deal much dmg in her. Whether its the short fuse I dont know, but like Hood, it seems very hard to land citadels, or consistent big damage, even against broadside targets. I'm getting a lot of overpens, a lot of pens, but virtually no citadels.

 

Also, could they fix the target reticule so that it shows when your third turret can fire forward?

 

Its own citadel is huge, if a BB sees you broadside you can take absolutely enormous damage.

 

The heal is great, the HE is excellent, admittedly.

 

How are people finding her?

 

Just in retrospective, real Hood got sunk, and  real Nelson didn't.

run the gauntlet in operation pedestal, operation Claymore and Neptune.

survived the II WW.

 

Don't have it ,don't play it yet.

You can't give your broadside, WG it's explicit.

but tell me a thing, turrets disposition are optimal to keep yourself bow in /angled?

when retreating can you shoot behind when angled?

 

[ColonelPete]

Or just play some time and spend ZERO doubloons

[ShinGetsu]

39 minutes ago, 22cm said:

We ve seen the BBs "better HE than AP", now I m waiting for the BB "better torp than shoot".

What are you saying ?

Tirpitz is here since long ago !

[Hades_warrior]

14 hours ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

 

With GamesCom 1:35 exchange rate it is 10.000+ ...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

Compared to other premium ships at same tier, still to much for Nelly 

But thats just me.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

Played 12 battles with it in total.

Yesterday 4 battles - 4 losses. Meh damage...

Today 8 battles - 4 wins, 4 losses. Still meh damage.

 

Conclusion: I'm doing it wrong. Playing to aggressive maybe. Poor aim for sure. In those 12 battles I managed to sink 8 ships. Finished off a heavily damaged Bismarck by burning it down from behind an island. Sunk at least three DDs with secondaries (have put my secondary specced Warspite captain on the Nelson for now..) and main guns loaded with HE. Rammed an Algerie, that had managed to miss me with it's torpedos...

 

I think the ship is quite good, but right now I have not yet found the proper way to play it. Probably I'm too much in Warspite/Dunkerque mode still...

 

The heal is great though, as long as cruisers try to burn you down. Getting burned down to ~30% hp and then repairing nearly all of it with the press of a button is just... wow...

Having 152mm or 203mm AP shells getting hammered in your broadsides though is ouchie.

[ChatBanForSayingTruth]

DON'T buy Nelson. It comes with potato team package. And it transfers to a whole account too!

 

13 lost games in a row with always as top 5 player (often top 2)

 

And here is my nelson today:

 

[Admiral_noodle]

You can certainly fire when fleeing but be sure to wiggle that butt. I choose steering gears mod which makes her quite "wiggly". Good for torpedo dodging too. 

 

I think you you can over use HE though. My main ammo choice is still AP. It blaps cruisers and dds quite well and 5 figure salvoes are common if you hit BBs on the upper belt. 

 

If they are angled and not burning - fire HE. But when they turn or if they have already been set on fire / had a lot of superstructure damage already, AP does the job. 

 

Nelson does take a bit of getting used to. Too passive and you won't get to use the heal and won't impact the game. To aggressive - you'll die. 

 

In that respect she is similar to Warspite. But angling and working out how to turn around without being wrecked - you have to get your cruiser head on for that bit. 

[Butterdoll]

9 minutes ago, Admiral_noodle said:

You can certainly fire when fleeing but be sure to wiggle that butt. I choose steering gears mod which makes her quite "wiggly". Good for torpedo dodging too. 

 

I think you you can over use HE though. My main ammo choice is still AP. It blaps cruisers and dds quite well and 5 figure salvoes are common if you hit BBs on the upper belt. 

 

If they are angled and not burning - fire HE. But when they turn or if they have already been set on fire / had a lot of superstructure damage already, AP does the job. 

 

Nelson does take a bit of getting used to. Too passive and you won't get to use the heal and won't impact the game. To aggressive - you'll die. 

 

In that respect she is similar to Warspite. But angling and working out how to turn around without being wrecked - you have to get your cruiser head on for that bit. 

 

 

thank you for the info.

I will try it.

big citadel, big guns, just like a battle cruiser.

[pUREsTORM]

23 minutes ago, Sugertukas said:

DON'T buy Nelson. It comes with potato team package. And it transfers to a whole account too!

 

13 lost games in a row with always as top 5 player (often top 2)

 

And here is my nelson today:

 

 Oddly enough some of my games today were rather terrible too. It got to the point where all I could say about some of my teammates was that they were irredeemable.

[philjd]

Well, server has now clocked up 7.5k games, and it is the 4th best ship at T7 - 56%/67k damage... which has to say something.

 

 

[TheIdesOfMarch93]

I don't own Nelson but I've seen plenty ingame and divisioned up with one as well. 

Purely from an observer standpoint, Nelson is a battleship that cruiser players with an itch to try BB gameplay would get and enjoy. Too damned easy to just load HE in her and just spam like an oversized heavy cruiser. Very good maneuverability helps with torpedobeating as well. Nelson makes an excellent support BB especially if you do a Hood/Nelson division. Just have to watch your angling and keep your head on a swivel, because any slight showing of your sides and you can get ready for a paddling. 

But honestly? I wouldn't get her. For a few big reasons. One, the overly-powerful HE shells of Nelson actually makes her quite unattractive for Battleship-Main players like myself who see AP shells as the be all and end all of BB gameplay. Heck, I could point to this as my single biggest gripe about the upcoming British Battleship line and why I don't like them. Two, her speed at Tier 7 reminds me of Colorado, which is painful to say the least and whilst it means you can turn tightly it also means that you often get singled out all too easily in a game meta full of ships that are miles faster than you. Three, I would have gotten Nelson to train up British captains for the RN BBs, the problem is what do you specc her for? AA? Her AA is crap to begin with. Secondaries? Same story. I find that for me to get a captain to perform well in the Nelson he would have to be far too specialised for Nelson itself as a standalone ship; I certainly wouldn't be able to do with it what I can do with interchanging the same captain between Bismarck and Tirpitz and getting similar results. And finally, for 375k free xp I could do a lot more with them on the regular RN BB line than spend it all on a one-trick premium pony here. 

Verdict? Meh... probably I'll get her for the lols in the very long future, but in the current state of game meta I wouldn't. Especially since I already own Hood which is an absolute beast in my hands already. 

[Major_Damage225]

For me Nelson looks like a cruiser with BB grade and caliber flamethrowers, play it as a agresive cruiser, the lol heal comes in handy.