Verdict on Nelson?

[SgtToad]

1 minute ago, Ofenkartoffel said:

I will not spend 375k freeXP on a BB that needs to use HE to perform.

 

BBs are about AP and citadels. Will stick to my Missouri. 

The AP is a joke. Regularly land 3 pens on a BB for around 7k damage. Pens, not hits.

[SgtToad]

1 minute ago, atomskytten said:

It is super easy burn your way to 100k + damage but the ship can't brawl or carry. It is completely dependant on the team for victory.

This is also true, its very team dependent because if you are focus fired you are dead very quickly, and the poor AP makes it hard to deal fast, major damage to the enemy. If it wasn;t a free XP ship i think i would sell it.

[ilhilh]

Citadelling other BBs, whilst not impossible is not the strong suit of the Nelson, but even using AP you can get some impressive 12-15k salvos on BBs.

 

I have only had 1 game, I was top tier and I got 6 kills, so needless to say I enjoyed it!  But, I will need to play her more to form a proper opinion.

 

Spoiler

 

[Quetak]

56 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

To make sure that you do not profit from a good division...

Should be obvious...

I will be back after another 39 games in solo (when 61 games with 74% WR is not enough)...prepare to be shocked that HE is better than AP (Ishizuchi)  

 

[hgbn_dk]

17 minutes ago, atomskytten said:

It is super easy burn your way to 100k + damage but the ship can't brawl or carry. It is completely dependant on the team for victory.

Agree..... you might have a super heal, but your health pool can easily drain to zero.

[ilhilh]

• People claiming you can only preform using HE.  Check.
• People surprised at the shell velocity despite it being similar to other RN ships.  Check.
• @atomskytten making exaggerated sensationalist statements. Check.
• Players without the ship relaying the verdicts of the whingers. Check.

All in the first page!

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

9 minutes ago, ilhilh said:

• People claiming you can only preform using HE.  Check.
• People surprised at the shell velocity despite it being similar to other RN ships.  Check.
• @atomskytten making exaggerated sensationalist statements. Check.
• Players without the ship relaying the verdicts of the whingers. Check.

All in the first page!

Your comment is without point other than for flaming and toxicity only. Check.

[MeTaLMooSe]

Flamu (x2), Notser and Ichase have all done preview videos of Nelson. You are getting the ship they test so there aren't any excuses that it doesn't do what it says on the tin.

You get nine 'soft' guns up front on a squishy hull with poor AA and secondaries, OK manouverability and an epic heal.

It's an informed decision whether or not you want to exchange your hard earned XP for it.

To come here and moan just tells us someone didn't do their homework.

[SgtToad]

2 minutes ago, MeTaLMooSe said:

Flamu (x2), Notser and Ichase have all done preview videos of Nelson. You are getting the ship they test so there aren't any excuses that it doesn't do what it says on the tin.

You get nine 'soft' guns up front on a squishy hull with poor AA and secondaries, OK manouverability and an epic heal.

It's an informed decision whether or not you want to exchange your hard earned XP for it.

To come hear and moan just tells us someone didn't do their homework.

Yeah dont entirely disagree, but their reviews didnt make clear how terrible the AP was. I think notser described it as "ok". Flamu said "consistent guns" - they are the opposite of consistent in terms of pen/dmg. I assumed "ok" AP pen, on 16" rifles, would at least allow big cit volleys on broadaside BBs under 12km - but it generally doesn't.

[Gojuadorai]

17 minutes ago, SgtToad said:

Yeah dont entirely disagree, but their reviews didnt make clear how terrible the AP was. I think notser described it as "ok". Flamu said "consistent guns" - they are the opposite of consistent in terms of pen/dmg. I assumed "ok" AP pen, on 16" rifles, would at least allow big cit volleys on broadaside BBs under 12km - but it generally doesn't.

 i suspect you aim at the waterline... just dont....

[MeTaLMooSe]

Maybe I watched with the eyes of a Hood in my port so the damage values and lack of citadels against BB's were entirely familiar.

But none of those reviews show Nelson lolciting BB's at whim.

What you do get is consistent penetration damage of higher values than say, Hood because you have nine massive rifles up front.

You also get the choice of AP or HE and both are equally viable. The HE will citadel some cruisers bow on.

I think the reviews are pretty solid as long as you watch them with a critical eye.

[T0byJug]

2 hours ago, Shaka_D said:

It'll be months till I get her, but judging from a few players comments she is a massive pile of poo and to be avoided, so I'm no longer that excited.

WAY WAY to Early to come to any definitive conclusion BUT 

At the moment she is doing pretty well.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

10 minutes ago, Gojuadorai said:

 i suspect you aim at the waterline... just dont....

 

There is an argument to aim slightly higher like how you would vs German BBs (top of hull area) except vs all of them unless they are very soft shelled. 

 

The damage feels more reliable aiming there and RNG might give you waterline hits anyway.

[Mandyxx]

I played 2 games with a 10 skill points commander. Win rate 50%, average damage 61.200. Don't know what to say, is a decent ship. For sure are better players then me who play this ship better. For the moment, i am not sorry spending 375k free xp (i have Missouri already in port).

[creamgravy]

2 hours ago, SgtToad said:

Just had a broadside new mex, 7km away, wasnt even moving - full salvo, no cit, did about 7k damage. Appalling

 

Still not landed a single cit on a BB, in 9 games...

 

0.015 fuses mean the AP shell explodes before reaching recessed citadels, like those on the NM. Aim for the middle and not the waterline, more shells will hit.

 

1 hour ago, SgtToad said:

The AP is a joke. Regularly land 3 pens on a BB for around 7k damage. Pens, not hits.

 

7920 is 2 penetrations on fresh compartment. (Missouri does 8910 for comparison)

[WingedHussar_Adler]

2 hours ago, SgtToad said:

Just had a broadside new mex, 7km away, wasnt even moving - full salvo, no cit, did about 7k damage. Appalling.

 

I was slightly worried when i saw WGs description of the RN as being good against "destroyers and cruisers" - no one sails BBs to target destroyers, and even normal BBs devastate cruisers.

 

Still not landed a single cit on a BB, in 9 games...

thats waht this game was needed...HE spaming BBs.....gj WG...gj

[Sicknote1]

It's a bit of an Enigma for me, it's now my top damage dealer at tier 7 but my lowest win rate. I'm loving the ship but battle results aren't great. Hoping it's just the fact that everyone is shooting at the Nelsons when they see them at the moment as my survival rate is pitiful!

[Nfinitum]

Did anyone work out how many doubloons it takes to convert to free EXP for this ship?

 

Thanks.

[Sicknote1]

@Nfinitum - I've just answered this on another thread, if you're going to ask a question because you can't be bothered to do the maths yourself, don't spam multiple threads with the same question.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

1 hour ago, Sicknote1 said:

It's a bit of an Enigma for me, it's now my top damage dealer at tier 7 but my lowest win rate. I'm loving the ship but battle results aren't great. Hoping it's just the fact that everyone is shooting at the Nelsons when they see them at the moment as my survival rate is pitiful!

It is because the ship is like the Zao; it can deal tons of HE D.O.T. damage but can't carry because it is too fragile.

[SgtToad]

2 hours ago, Sicknote1 said:

It's a bit of an Enigma for me, it's now my top damage dealer at tier 7 but my lowest win rate. I'm loving the ship but battle results aren't great. Hoping it's just the fact that everyone is shooting at the Nelsons when they see them at the moment as my survival rate is pitiful!

Same here - high dmg, terrible win rate.

 

I think people are forgetting a critical factor when comparing dmg stats for this ship compared to other BBs - if a lot of your Nelson damage is HE, a lot of that is being healed back, whereas AP damage isn't nearly so much. Because of the heal mechanic, AP dmg is much more valuable in winning games.

 

It's a bit odd hearing people say the AP is fine when WG themselves are now selling this line as "good for targeting DDs and cruiser, not BBs". They are saying "your AP wont do much to battleships".

 

Can we scrap the silly heal, scrap the short fuse, and just have normal BBs pls?

[SteDorff]

I seen one in battle it looks like it was made by an 8 year old who had 2 incomplete battleship model build kits without manual. 

[piet11111]

Its a good ship but you do not stand a chance if your team runs away.

 

My worst games in it so far have been where i could not keep up with the lemming train or worse where i was stubborn and decided to fight by myself.

[Gnirf]

On 2017-08-22 at 5:22 PM, T0byJug said:

WAY WAY to Early to come to any definitive conclusion BUT 

At the moment she is doing pretty well.

Not surprisingly considered that it is the interested experienced players that are probably the majority.

[pUREsTORM]

This is my opinion after 30 or so games, with 66% WR and 85k average damage.

 

Very powerful but you will get punished if you don't angle and/or try to brawl.

As funny as it seems, it's easier to citadel Nelson through the bow than it is when she's broadside, at least from my experience of shooting other Nelsons in my Nelson. You need to stay at mid-range, this is a must. At 15km or so, you can't reliably citadel her through the bow/stern. This is her comfort zone, since you can retreat if needed under concealment.

Despite this, she is still in my opinion good if not competitive. Her guns are fantastic, a breath of fresh air compared to the more mediocre Hood guns. I think her AP is good, despite what others are saying. Yes, you can't reliably citadel other BBs, deal with it. This is going to be the trait of all the RN BBs, so suck it up if you're going to be grinding the line in the next few weeks. Her AP is utterly fantastic against squisher targets, like cruisers, and she can still reliably get regular pens versus broadsiding BBs, just not citadels. As someone said earlier in the thread, she does consistent damage through regular pens. That said, don't neglect her HE either, very nice against angled BBs.

 

Overall, she's very squishy if you're not positioned correctly, but her firepower and Repair Party more than makes up for her weaknesses.