So, only cruisers have citadels now?

[Lord_WC]

I was really wondering if people at the balance department took a step back sometime and check on how's the game doing.

With RN BBs having citadels under water and high-tier USN BBs having their citadels lowered (like Missouri needed it, come now), in high tiers basically the only thing you can citadel is cruisers.

 

Yes, the class that has half the hp of BBs are the only class that is prone to getting 3x as much damage.

 

I suggest you make a weekly report that shows how much % hp each class lost to overpen, pen and citadels. Maybe that will help you avoid things like the whole DD situation and the currently evolving CA/CL one.

Or just take out DD/CA/CL, refund us the xp/dubloon and you can happily buff BBs as much as you want.

[Quetak]

dont know how but yesterday I was citadeling North Carolina with my Moskva with every salvo...so NC must be cruiser...

[aboomination]

Still cruisers are a strong class overall...imo.

[P2Win]

Ask that to the montana who dared show me broadside in my yama...

[RAHJAILARI]

They still can be a bit iffy to hit sometimes though. I think WG should raise the cruiser citadels some more (maybe up to the tops would be good) and make them bigger.

[aboomination]

2 minutes ago, P2Win said:

Ask that to the montana who dared show me any part of her in my yama...

#fixed 

[ColonelPete]

There are still there. You just have to hit them.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

You can cita CVs pretty well too ^^

[Lord_WC]

13 minutes ago, aboomination said:

Still cruisers are a strong class overall...imo.

Warships.today disagrees with you, they have the lowest win rate of all classes. I wouldn't have posted otherwise.

 

11 minutes ago, P2Win said:

Ask that to the montana who dared show me broadside in my yama...

I'm sure that one instance of citadeling a BB is very relevant over the 1.6 million instances these ships participated in battles.

 

8 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

They still can be a bit iffy to hit sometimes though. I think WG should raise the cruiser citadels some more (maybe up to the tops would be good) and make them bigger.

I know, right. They should be covered in remotely detonated explosives and the firing button should be given to BBs so they don't have to spend that much on ammo.

[svadilfari]

"So, only cruisers have citadels now"

yes, deal with it ...

[aboomination]

Just now, Lord_WC said:

Warships.today disagrees with you, they have the lowest win rate of all classes. I wouldn't have posted otherwise.

 

Yeah, because there's a certain amount of skill required to play cruisers. Still, good cruiser players will have good results.

[Lord_WC]

8 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

There are still there. You just have to hit them.

That's the whole point. You have to aim properly for a BB so you might get a citadel, while you basically shoot towards a CA/CL and you get citadel hits.

The game is not about hard constarinig factors. A belfast is not immortal and doesn't win all their games. It's just harder to win against belfast.

 

4 minutes ago, aboomination said:

Yeah, because there's a certain amount of skill required to play cruisers. Still, good cruiser players will have good results.

So then, given our playerbase cruisers are then harder to reach average results with. Yup, that's my point, they are weak now. Powercreep went past them and WG keeps BBs up, DDs are generally immune to powercreep since the new lines were nowhere near as broken as BB buffs were and they primarily fight each others. Meanwhile cruisers have harder targets that shoot back more.

[Quetak]

4 minutes ago, Lord_WC said:

Warships.today disagrees with you, they have the lowest win rate of all classes. I wouldn't have posted otherwise.

which cruisers? Lowest WR in last two weeks - Midway/Gearing/Shima are last three. (only T10 I mean)

[RAHJAILARI]

Weel, all CL/CA do have built-in magnets that irresistibly draw incoming shells you know...

[Lord_WC]

4 minutes ago, Quetak said:

which cruisers? Lowest WR in last two weeks - Midway/Gearing/Shima are last three. (only T10 I mean)

All of them. Summarize the battles played/wins by ship type. Also, watch last two weeks (didn't do the total, because it would be pointless anyway).

[Bersigil]

4 minutes ago, aboomination said:

 

Yeah, because there's a certain amount of skill required to play cruisers. Still, good cruiser players will have good results.

The Point is: you have to be skilled to get good results in cruisers. You have to be average at best to get good results in a BB. If you are skilled and in a BB, you get great results. If you are average in a cruiser you get deleted quite regularly.

[Armorin]

9 minutes ago, Lord_WC said:

Warships.today disagrees with you, they have the lowest win rate of all classes. I wouldn't have posted otherwise.

 

Lowest win rate, or lowest survival rate? Or doesn't one team not have any cruisers?

 

The open sea holds no fear for me, unless I am in a cruiser.

[aboomination]

9 minutes ago, Lord_WC said:

cruisers are then harder to reach average results with

nah - the average is the average.

[RAHJAILARI]

Hehe! Noticed that too, just begun trying to play cruisers (usually play DD) and of course, someone annoyingly tweaked the spotting range from 6km to 12 and so I tend to sail right in and get spotted and plastered immediately way too often. Have learned though to let someone else take the cake first, so I can live and do some damage before expiring. Gotten increasingly better results too.

 

BUT skulking in the back - That is no way to play a battle. Cruiser role is to screen and protect BB's and CV's from incoming planes and enemy DD. Being forced to skulk behind their backs instead and merely providing support fire due to their excessive vulnerability means that they are actually not able to fulfill that primary role properly.

[ColonelPete]

8 minutes ago, Lord_WC said:

That's the whole point. You have to aim properly for a BB so you might get a citadel, while you basically shoot towards a CA/CL and you get citadel hits.

The game is not about hard constarinig factors. A belfast is not immortal and doesn't win all their games. It's just harder to win against belfast.

 

So then, given our playerbase cruisers are then harder to reach average results with. Yup, that's my point, they are weak now. Powercreep went past them and WG keeps BBs up, DDs are generally immune to powercreep since the new lines were nowhere near as broken as BB buffs were and they primarily fight each others. Meanwhile cruisers have harder targets that shoot back more.

You have to do that with cruisers too.

Aim to high --> overpen

Aim to short/long --> overpen

 

BB have thicker armor --> less penetrations and citadels

But that should be obvious for anyone ever hearing about battleships.

[aboomination]

5 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

screen and protect BB's and CV's from incoming planes and enemy DD

Imo the higher tier (8,9,10) USN CA are best suited for that role. Also great for cap pushing/backing DD.

[Capra76]

13 minutes ago, Quetak said:

which cruisers? Lowest WR in last two weeks - Midway/Gearing/Shima are last three. (only T10 I mean)

 

You understand that all T10 ships get mirror MM, so Midway's low WR is directly connected to Hakuryu's high WR as is Gearing/Shima linked to Khaba etc.

[RAHJAILARI]

True dat, but they all should be able to do that anyways regardless of tier or nationality. That is why most cruisers were built in the first place.

[aboomination]

15 minutes ago, Bersigil said:

The Point is: you have to be skilled to get good results in cruisers. You have to be average at best to get good results in a BB. If you are skilled and in a BB, you get great results. If you are average in a cruiser you get deleted quite regularly.

 

Average results are those that can be achieved by the average player. It's in the average person to perform "averagely" in any type of class. Some few will be better some worse.

Imo it's EASIER to perform above average in cruisers and DD because noobs will fail at playing them, dragging the average down.

[Quetak]

3 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

 

You understand that all T10 ships get mirror MM, so Midway's low WR is directly connected to Hakuryu's high WR as is Gearing/Shima linked to Khaba etc.

while I agree with CVs I dont agree with DDs.  

There are 5 T10 DDs and it could be mixed, add Z52 and Grozovoi to mix + various divisions which mess up balancing gun/torpboats.

(and BTW I was looking wrong on US so on EU stats are little different).