Tier 8 MM

[Hentai__Senpai]

Hello bois and grills!

 

I want to ask you some thing.

 

How often do you get into tier 10 games with your tier 8 ships? Are there any ships that you feel get dragged into tier 10 MM more constantly?

 

As for me it's getting to an annoying point, specially with the Charles Martel.

 

For one week straight I've been getting into tier 10 games constantly (i don't mean like one game)

 

eight out of ten games are in tier 10...

 

It's the only ship that experiences it in my case, of course you get into tier 10 mm with other tier 8s but it happens like 1/3 of the times.

 

Has it come time to put on my tinfoil hat on? Forum members

[Tekacko]

85 percent of my T8 battles I get tossed into TX.

No matter what ship.

 

And it is driving me nuts, especially since I prefer playing cruisers, and they are pretty much food for the TX boats.

 

Thanks for introducing the TX Premium camo WG! You dropped the ball on that one pretty hard.

[jss78]

All the time, basically.

 

I think it's simply the effect you get at the end of the Tier range. You can't put those Tier 10's against Tier 11-12. So they NEED to play with lower-tier guys, conversely Tier 8 are needed as filler there, more than they're needed vs. Tier 6-7.

 

Basically once you hit Tier 8, there's no good reason to not continue to Tier 9-10. You'll be in the same games, most of the time, just with a better ship.

 

This is another item in a long list of things that would be solved by a +1/-1 MM.

[Mr_Snoww]

The enterprise gets into tier 10 games about 90% of the time. Like I don't mind it that much because well German bbs and enterprise.... LOL but it's kinda annoying having tier 7 planes shot at from 8.6 km by a Minotaur. But overall tier 8 mm does needs a looking at.

[Zogash85]

5 minutes ago, Tekacko said:

85 percent of my T8 battles I get tossed into TX.

No matter what ship.

 

And it is driving me nuts, especially since I prefer playing cruisers, and they are pretty much food for the TX boats.

 

Thanks for introducing the TX Premium camo WG! You dropped the ball on that one pretty hard.

 

 

TX premium camo is a very minor factor (if any) on why MM for Tier 8s is screwed.

 

It was giving Tier 4 "preferential" +1/-1 MM that screwed the entire tier balance over: Tier 4 never meeting Tier 6 means higher likelihood Tier 5s (who don't get lucky to be top tier in a purely Tier4-5 game) will be thrown into Tier 7 games. No chance of meeting and being high tier vs Tier 4s means higher likelihood of Tier 6s being thrown into Tier 8 games. Overinflation of Tier 6s in their MM spread means more Tier 8s will overflow into the more sparsely populated TX spread. It's all a cascade effect escalating from Tier 4s getting +1/-1 MM, really.

 

The only big winners in this system are Tier 4 (for obvious reasons) and Tier 7, who sitting in the middle get lots of top tier games vs the overflowing Tier 5s, while their Tier 9 nemesis is more often thrown into TX games than actually being top tier vs Tier 7.

[ColonelPete]

48 minutes ago, Hentai__Senpai said:

Are there any ships that you feel get dragged into tier 10 MM more constantly?

 

Yes, Tier X ships.

Did you really need a thread to find that out?

[Krikkio82]

Fixing MM (T5-8 especially) could be so easy but WG likes TROLLOLLOLLOOL people I guess...

[Capra76]

51 minutes ago, jss78 said:

I think it's simply the effect you get at the end of the Tier range. You can't put those Tier 10's against Tier 11-12. So they NEED to play with lower-tier guys, conversely Tier 8 are needed as filler there, more than they're needed vs. Tier 6-7.

 

I think it's really a result of the over-abundance of BB at T8-10 and the 5 BB cap.  T8 CA/DD get dragged into T9/10 games to make up the numbers, T6/7 CA/DD then get dragged up into T7/8 to make up the numbers there.

 

I doubt that BB see that much up-tiering at any tier because there simply isn't room in the higher tier games, if T10 is already full with 5 x Yamato etc you can't drag that many Amagi's into the games so they have to spend most of their time at top tier ships.

[tank276]

The vast majority of me in tier 8 games is versus tier 10s.

I have really given up on t8 and t9, especially cruisers, I prefer to take my t10s where I am always top tier.

If it wasnt for the Neptune and Saint Louis grind, t10 all the way strictly,

[jss78]

18 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

 

I think it's really a result of the over-abundance of BB at T8-10 and the 5 BB cap.  T8 CA/DD get dragged into T9/10 games to make up the numbers, T6/7 CA/DD then get dragged up into T7/8 to make up the numbers there.

 

I doubt that BB see that much up-tiering at any tier because there simply isn't room in the higher tier games, if T10 is already full with 5 x Yamato etc you can't drag that many Amagi's into the games so they have to spend most of their time at top tier ships.

 

I think you are right here. When I played the NorCar a lot, I got my fair share of T6-8 games. With New Orleans and now with Charles Martel, it's just brutal.

[Armorin]

3 hours ago, jss78 said:

All the time, basically.

 

I think it's simply the effect you get at the end of the Tier range. You can't put those Tier 10's against Tier 11-12. So they NEED to play with lower-tier guys, conversely Tier 8 are needed as filler there, more than they're needed vs. Tier 6-7.

 

Basically once you hit Tier 8, there's no good reason to not continue to Tier 9-10. You'll be in the same games, most of the time, just with a better ship.

 

This is another item in a long list of things that would be solved by a +1/-1 MM.

 

Dunno, out of 3 T6 games I've had today, all of them have been T6-8. The lasted one was pretty much T8 with a bit of lower tier fodder put in.

I'd happily wait a little bit longer for a more balanced game with only 1 tier difference in ships. However, since I was one salvo'd in my T6 angled Leander by a T6 Warspite, it might not be worth the extra wait to get insta-deleted.

[ImperialAdmiral]

Most of the time. Don't know the exact number but definitely above 60%-70% of the time.

Used to hate it, now I don't care that much.

However, I would support +1 MM only for Tier VIII for overal more comfortable games for everyone.

[ForlornSailor]

If you look in the server stats ( I did so last week), you realize, that on T9 and T10 there is a lack of cruisers. BB dominate with twice tge matches played then cruisers. So T8 Cruiser have to fill the matches with T10 BBs. And yes, I can confirm, that ~75% of the games as a T8 Cruiser i get paired with T10 BBs.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I grinded out the Chapyev without many issues, although RU Cruisers just camp at spam at extreme ranges... T10 BB are easier to hit at those ranges anyway 

[Asakka]

Often, you just gonna have more XP and credits for killing t10 ships. Its a win 

[Donar79]

Just now, Asakka said:

Often, you just gonna have more XP and credits for killing t10 ships. Its a win 

Yeah right tell this to my Mogami when its "Tears of the Desert" ..again

[Asakka]

Just now, Donar79 said:

Yeah right tell this to my Mogami when its "Tears of the Desert" ..again

Well Tears of the Cruisers is actually living hell for cruisers 

[_VAMPA_]

On 20.08.2017 г. at 2:28 PM, Hentai__Senpai said:

Hello bois and grills!

 

I want to ask you some thing.

 

How often do you get into tier 10 games with your tier 8 ships? Are there any ships that you feel get dragged into tier 10 MM more constantly?

 

As for me it's getting to an annoying point, specially with the Charles Martel.

 

For one week straight I've been getting into tier 10 games constantly (i don't mean like one game)

 

eight out of ten games are in tier 10...

 

It's the only ship that experiences it in my case, of course you get into tier 10 mm with other tier 8s but it happens like 1/3 of the times.

 

Has it come time to put on my tinfoil hat on? Forum members

 

to me, this is normal, its not a problem 2-3tXBBs 2-3tXCAs

 

28 minutes ago, Asakka said:

Often, you just gonna have more XP and credits for killing t10 ships. Its a win 

yup and its more fun

 

26 minutes ago, Donar79 said:

Yeah right tell this to my Mogami when its "Tears of the Desert" ..again

Mogami and all kites are fine.

but i really get in massmurderer mood when i see -"Tears of the Desert -Epicenter" and im in Atlanta

[Ferry_25]

Same here OP. Charles Martel is suffering heavily in TX matches. I don't feel I can play much of a role there other than pewpewing a few HE rounds dealing 900 dmg and 1 fire out of 2000 shots (with flags, otherwise it'd be 5000) before getting obliterated by the splash water of the shells landing in the sea which were meant for another ship in the first place. Also for some reason I still haven't figured out the French cruisers seems to be considered the most leathal deadly force in this game. I know: each target is valid and important but to have 7 "fans" targeting me while our Zao is raining fire from hell in front of me? I can't get my brain around that. With other T8 ships I don't consider it really a problem. At least I can find some support role with those. Only hardly any with CM.

[BeauNidl3]

I'm no expert as I only got my first T8 this weekend with Edinburgh, but every game I've played (I had a lot of spare time this weekend) has had at least 5x TX ships in it. Quite a few were 9+ TX and the rest IX and me. Stock Edinburgh is a light snack at that level especially with a relatively inexperienced player like me.

[Durin_VI]

With tier 8 ships, MM will throw you in t10 matches most of the times. Unfortunately the Kutuzov is pretty much the only tier 8 ship somewhat capable of dealing with it, hence WG is now thinking to nerf its smoke and IFHE because of crying tier 10 BBabies. 

[Thracen]

Yep, some ships do well up there others don't. Frankly the Amagi is so good with her 10 huge accurate guns I get better results spanking rounds into oblivious t10 BBs than I do top tier in her. The T8 cruisers have it tough, they get bullied by t10 russian dds for gods sake, they are the bottom of the food chain when every ship in the game can instantly punish a mistake you make because of the massive range accuracy and firepower of t10 bbs and t10 cruisers you have to play like you are on a knife edge. Low tier dds can really have a difficult time getting close with high tier radar and hydro, and god forbid there is a CV in town, ouch!

 

I also think that we often forget that although we contribute the most to wargaming's coffers in the EU on a per player basis at least ( I don't know what the total revenue numbers are). Their largest player base is in Russia and they have much different tastes to ourselves in terms of both having an aggressive playstyle and a preference for BBs.

Funnily enough I think this game is probably more balanced in russia due to their playstyle, they push in more with their BBs, taking advantage of their tanking at the same time making them more vulnerable to the smaller stealthy ships.

[Donar79]

1 hour ago, _VAMPA_ said:

...

Mogami and all kites are fine.

but i really get in massmurderer mood when i see -"Tears of the Desert -Epicenter" and im in Atlanta

Kiting doesn't help with the range u have u need to get to close ...last matches on this piece of crap i got focused by at least 5 ships everytime i got visible...should be BB-DD only

[Hawg]

I feel like its gotten worse because it seems more people are playing upper tiers.   I suspect this is because people are trying to complete the new campaign, which requires T8-10 (with a lot requiring T9-10).

 

I find T8-10 to be the least fun ships in the game for the most part.   So the campaigns are painful, particularly in a T8.  

[_VAMPA_]

10 minutes ago, Donar79 said:

Kiting doesn't help with the range u have u need to get to close ...last matches on this piece of crap i got focused by at least 5 ships everytime i got visible...should be BB-DD only

well i grind through mogami 12.05-16.05  and was working fine........my experience with that ship is 3 months old they may nerf her secretly