Sweden in World of Warships

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Greetings! With world of warships open to see for the public and steadily nearing release, there are a lot of discussions on the internet regarding what nations and ships might come next. I do naturally not expect a minor nation such as Sweden make an entry to WoWS until more prominent sea powers such as Britain, France, Italy and perhaps Spain make it into the game, but I don't think it's ever too early to speculate and talk about future ships that could be added to the game. Swedish naval doctrine and shipbuilding philosophy differentiated quite a bit from the major powers, and I shall go into more detail below. 

 

Coastal defence ships

In Swedish referred to as pansarskepp, the coastal defence ships were built purely with defence in mind as a cheap counter to cruisers and battleships. With no intention of blue water supremacy, Sweden focused entirely on being able to defend its vast island-dotted coastline from potential German and/or Soviet naval invasion, which required ships specifically engineered for that need. They needed to be able to travel in shallow waters, which required a small draught. They needed to be heavily armoured and armed to be able to win over invading cruisers with decent certainty. Speed became less important as navigating through the Swedish archipelagos is nothing one should do in a hurry, lest they run high risk of running aground. 

 

Example of typical Swedish coastline geography 

 

 

Sweden built a total of 6 classes of pansarskepp, from 1886 to 1918, encompassing 15 ships in total. Despite their old age by the time of WWII they were upgraded and modernised thoroughly and would serve the Swedish navy until the 1950s, at which time the coastal defence ships role in modern war doctrine had become outdated due to an ever increasing emphasis on speed and firepower. 

 

In World of Warships they could fill the role as early to mid-tier cruisers, while the most modern ones of the Sverige-class probably could do well even at higher tiers. Their speed is slow but their armour is unmatched (from tier 1-3 they would have 10x - 2x the armour of contemporary cruisers)  on early tiers while providing devastating firepower until mid-tire, at which point their age is being felt and they are starting to fall behind true WWII ships. Despite their armour and firepower (210 mm guns and torpedos at early tiers) they were pretty small ships, seldom reaching over 100 metres in length, providing the enemy with a quite small target. With their role in the Swedish navy in mind one can assume they should be pretty nimble machines, giving them decent turning speed which in turn gives them a chance of dodging incoming torpedoes. Balance wise they should be made into brawlers, so giving them a decent health pool is probably a must to off-set the fact that their slow speed will mean long exposure to fire, which the heavy armour also should help to mitigate. 

 

Some examples of ships and their tiers will follow below. I will refrain from posting any calibre lower than 57 mm to save space, but you can bet that the ship belonging to the native land of Bofors carries a lot AA guns.

 

HMS Clas Fleming, Clas Fleming-class minelayer-cruiser, tier I candidate

 

HMS Clas Fleming, mine layer, constructed in 1912 and decommissioned in 1959. Never really meant to directly engage the enemy, this ship could nonetheless serve as a decent tier I ship thanks to its acceptable armament of 4 x 120 mm guns. It had a speed of 20 knots, weighted 1575 tons and was protected by 16 - 75 mm of armour. 

 

It was the first ship in the Swedish navy to use steam turbines. 

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HMS Oden, Oden-class coastal defence ship, tier II candidate

 

The second generation of Swedish pansarksepp, built in 1896 and decommissioned in 1937, this was basically a larger version of the first generation Svea-class. 2 x 254 mm and 6 x 120 mm guns, superior AA capabilities compared to previous tier and with 4 x 57 mm guns capable of giving some secondary fire at close quarters. 16,5 knots, 3720 tons, heavily protected with an for tier II impressive 200 mm of armour. Also comes with a torpedo tube because why not. 

 

It's an old ship but still heavily armoured and armed for its potential tier, 4 x the armour of the Chester and 2,5 that of Chikuma. 

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HMS Äran, Äran-class coastal defence ship, tier III candidate. 

 

The fourth generation of Swedish pansarskepp (the third being Dristigheten-class, skipped due to being only slightly different compared to the Äran-class), built in 1901 and decommissioned in 1947. Sweden's first ship that served during WWII in the cruiser line. 2 x 210 mm, 6 x 152 mm, 6 x 57 mm and 2 x torpedo tubes. Was refitted with some AA capabilities at the expense of 2 x 57 mm guns at the beginning of the war. 175 - 200 mm armour, 3735 tons and with a speed of 17 knots.

 

Equal tier ships have caught up in terms of fire power, but still don't match the thick armour of the Swedish coastal defence ships. 

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HMS Oscar II, Oscar II-class coastal defence ship, tier IV candidate. 

 

The fifth generation coastal defence ship to be used in the Swedish navy and one of its kind, built in 1905 and decommissioned in 1950. 2 x 210 mm, 8 x 152 mm, 10 x 57 mm and 2 x torpedo tubes 18 knots speed, 4495 tons and with up to 250 mm of armour.  

 

This is where the age of the pansarskepp of the early 1900s are being felt. The armour is still superior to that of the Japanese Kuma class cruiser while carrying heavier guns and more of them, though far fewer torpedoes and travelling at a snails pace in comparison. Versus the American Phoenix it has distinctly better armour while carrying roughly the same amount of guns, though the Phoenix has better torpedo carrying capabilities, while Oscar II also carries two quite heavy 210 mm Bofors guns. As such this ship would be quite powerful at tier IV. 

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We will now leave the coastal defence ships for a while and take a look at some of Sweden's first true cruisers that might be used as the mid-tier ships for a Swedish cruiser line. Though I am concerned that they might be underpowered for their role, with the help of renhanxue, a pass-time archivist and history blogger who has helped Wargaming with insights to their planned Swedish tank tree, I am quite certain that the mid-tier can if necessary be filled with "paper ships". Though I would personally prefer to see real ships used as much as possible, the reality is that the ships presented below might simply not be competitive enough. 

 

HMS Fylgia, armoured cruiser, tier IV - V candidate. 

While constructed in 1905 this ship underwent heavy modernisation in 1941 where the ship was changed at its core to fit the demands of a modern navy, and was finally decommissioned in 1952. It was Sweden's only armoured cruiser and it carried 8 x 152 mm, 14 x 56 mm guns and 2 x torpedo tubes. It could go travel at 23 knots, had up to 135 mm of armour and carried a weight of 4980 tons.

 

Could probably work at tier IV, dubiously at tier V. It really depends on what other tier V cruisers might show up throughout the years, as the USS Omaha is the only reference for now. The 14 x 57 mm guns and reality heavy armour of HMS Fylgia would make it deadly in secondary gun range, if it weren't for the slow speed of the ship. 

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Built in 1933 and decommissioned in 1960, HMS Gotland was a Swedish experiment with this usage of aircraft at sea. With no intention of competing with the major powers for blue water superiority this design was intended to be used as a scout platform for the naval battle groups. This is a rather peculiar hybrid ship with an armament of 6 x 152 mm, 4 x 75 mm guns and 6 x torpedo tubes. It could also carry 6 x Hawker Osprey. It travelled at a speed of 27,5 knots with a weight of 5550 tons. Amount of armour eludes me.

 

To make this ship competitive at these tiers I feel like the sea planes need to carry 4x50 kg bombs each, which they historically did not use due to their role as scouts for the navy but nevertheless had the capacity of.  

 

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HMS Tre Kronor, Tre Kronor-class cruiser, tier XII candidate. 

 

Reality had caught up with the Swedish leaders and in 1940 the Tre Kronor class cruiser was ordered. HMS Tre Kronor, built in 1944 and decommissioned in 1964 was Sweden's first truly modern cruiser. Until this point the coastal defence ships had acted as the main body of the Swedish fleet, but coastal defence ships as a concept were quickly becoming outdated in military doctrine. It carried 7 x 152 mm fully automatic guns as well 6 torpedo tubes. The armour is more in line with contemporary cruisers, 70 mm thick. It weighted 7400 tons and could travel at a speed of 33 knots. 

 

A modern ship with very rapidly firing guns, launched at the end of the World of Warships era, should definitely make a fine tier XII cruiser. 

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HMS Sverige, Sverige-class coastal defence ship, tier XIII candidate

 

 

Constructed in 1915 and decommissioned in 1953, the Sverige-class represented a more seaworthy kind of coastal defence ships. HMS Sverige, the first ship of the class, was paid for by a public fund raising campaign. It carried 4 x 283 mm, 8 x 152 mm, 6 x 75 mm and 2 x 57 mm guns, as well as two torpedo tubes. It had a speed of 22,5 knots, a weight of 7688 tons and 200 mm of armour.

 

The first ship in the class was slightly smaller than the two that followed, which improved upon the original design of the Sverige-class. With its heavy armament and armour I believe this vessel should function as a pretty decent tier XIII cruiser. 

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HMS Gustav V, Sverige-class coastal defence ship, tier IX candidate.

 

Built in 1918 and decommissioned in 1957, HMS Gustav V is essentially an improved version of HMS Sverige, although still considered to be of the same class. The armament and armour is the same as previously mentioned ship (4 x 283 mm, 8 x 152 mm, 6 x 75 mm and 2 x 57 mm guns, 2 x torpedo tubes and 200 mm of armour), but it had a better engine that made it somewhat more agile and gave it longer operation radius and a speed of 23,2 knot. 

 

Being a better version of the original, I believe HMS Gustav V could do well as a tier IX ship with some soft stat improvements over HMS Sverige.

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Project 1934, proposal for new class of coastal defence ships, tier X candidate

 

The Sverige-class were Sweden's last generation of coastal defence ships. With them died an era in Swedish naval war doctrine that was signified by slow moving, heavily armed and armoured ships. In the background there were however considerations within the Swedish leadership whether yet another generation of these ships should be put into service. Thanks to renhanxue's visits to the military archives in Stockholm we've been able to uncover some of these plans. It has no name, just a date, and I will refer to it as Project 1934. 

 

It would carry 4 x 280 mm, 12 x 120 mm with a weight of 8000 tons, a speed of 22,5 knots with an armour of at least 150 mm, though probably more. 

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Below will follow ships that could serve as premiums. Sweden did have quite many coastal defence ship classes and most of them compete about the same tiers, so I could not hope to add them all into the cruiser line.

 

HMS Svea, Svea-class coastal defence ship, tier II - III premium candidate 

 

The first proper pansarskepp of the Swedish navy, built in 1885 and decommissioned in 1915. It was armed with 2 x 254 mm and 4 x 152 mm guns, 1 torpedo tube and varying calibres of AA guns changing from year to year. Armour was 290 mm, with a speed of 15 knots. 3200 tons. 

 

At this point Sweden was officially knowns as the United Kingdoms of Sweden and Norway, and the ships carried the Swedish-Norwegian union flag until the Swedish parliament's acceptance of the Norwegian declaration of independence in 1905. 

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HMS Dristigheten, Dristigheten-class coastal defence ship, tier III candidate

 

HMS Dristigheten, the third generation of Swedish coastal defence ships, constructed in 1901 and decommissioned in 1947. Despite few years separating the Dristigheten-class from earlier ships it became necessary for the Swedish navy to continuously construct entirely new classes of ships due to the incredible pace of the development of naval technology in the early 1900s. HMS Dristigheten carried 2 x 210 mm, 6 x 152 mm and 10 x 57 mm guns as well as 2 x torpedo tubes. The speed was 17 knots with a weight of 3600 tons and 203 mm of armour. 

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As it stand, a Swedish cruiser line seems like a possibility at some point in the future, perhaps as part of a joint EU or international tree. Sweden did also use a number of destroyer, and you can see the potential tree at post nr. 20 on this page. 

 

Lexicon:

HMS - Hans/Hennes Majestäts Skepp, in English His/Her Majesty's ship. Sometimes HSwMS is used in English literature to differentiate Swedish from British ships

Clas Fleming - Swedish admiral during the thirty year's war

Svea - patriotic emblem of Sweden, a shield maiden, similar to Britannia 

Oden - Swedish for Odin

Äran - Swedish for Glory

Oscar II - King of Sweden from 1872 to 1907

Fylgia - in Norse mythology a spirit creature that is bound to a person

Gotland - Swedish island in the Baltic sea

Sverige - Sweden in Swedish

Gustav V - King of Sweden from 1907 to 1950

Tre Kronor - Three Crowns, the national emblem of Sweden

Dristigheten - definitive form of dristighet, Swedish for fearlessness or boldness 

[mr3awsome]

Swedish destroyers are a reasonable bet ;)

 

As for the cruisers, both coastal defence battleships and armoured cruisers are hard to place.

For the tier 1 I would suggest Clas Fleming.

 

Gotland is tier 5 material.

Tre Kronor is by no means tier 10 material, tier 7 a better bet.

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Swedish destroyers are a reasonable bet ;)

 

As for the cruisers, both coastal defence battleships and armoured cruisers are hard to place.

For the tier 1 I would suggest Clas Fleming.

 

Gotland is tier 5 material.

Tre Kronor is by no means tier 10 material, tier 7 a better bet.

 

Tre Kronor's guns are fully automatic capable of firing 10-15 (number depends on source) shells per minute per gun while also carrying 6 torpedo tubes, I wouldn't judge it so disfavourably against top tier cruisers. 

 

As for the coastal defence ships, I recall reading here about WG maybe considering them to be battleships, but if you compare them in tonnage to real battleship it really doesn't make much sense. Maybe it would be better to give them their own class? 

 

Clas Fleming for tier I sounds like a good idea.

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Tre Kronor's guns are fully automatic capable of firing 10-15 (number depends on source) shells per minute per gun while also carrying 6 torpedo tubes, I wouldn't judge it so disfavourably against top tier cruisers. 

 

As for the coastal defence ships, I recall reading here about WG maybe considering them to be battleships, but if you compare them in tonnage to real battleship it really doesn't make much sense. Maybe it would be better to give them their own class? 

 

Clas Fleming for tier I sounds like a good idea.

 

10 RPM against surface targets, 15 RPM against aircraft.  But only 7 guns.

 

Cleveland has no torpedoes, but 12 guns firing 10 RPM. With better armour and AA. At tier 8 (we suspect).

 

Therefore, tier 7 is best.

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10 RPM against surface targets, 15 RPM against aircraft.  But only 7 guns.

 

Cleveland has no torpedoes, but 12 guns firing 10 RPM. With better armour and AA. At tier 8 (we suspect).

 

Therefore, tier 7 is best.

 

I wonder if Sverige-class would work as a replacement at tier X, otherwise I'll hope for something good to turn up in the military archives

[renhanxue]

I don't think we can make a ship from 1917 a tier 10. But the 1939 proposal might be viable, maybe? The Swedish "pocket ships" are just in a sorta awkward place in general in WoWs. I'll keep looking in the national archives though, I'll return with what I find on Saturday.

 

It's a pity the Halland class is out because of timeframe restrictions, because it'd be hilarious. 80 RPM per turret? Yeah that'll be totally balanced guys.

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I don't think we can make a ship from 1917 a tier 10. But the 1939 proposal might be viable, maybe? The Swedish "pocket ships" are just in a sorta awkward place in general in WoWs. I'll keep looking in the national archives though, I'll return with what I find on Saturday.

 

It's a pity the Halland class is out because of timeframe restrictions, because it'd be hilarious. 80 RPM per turret? Yeah that'll be totally balanced guys.

 

It certainly is a heavy ship, heavier than the Sverige-class, and carries a few more guns. I can't quite see the amount of armour, the JPG format makes it difficult to zoom, but I can see that one section of the ship has 150 mm, though it wouldn't surprise me if some areas were protected with up to 200 mm of armour as that seems to be the Swedish standard for this type of ship. It will be our candidate for now. 

 

Edit: that would be the 1934 suggestion. It seems like they wanted to the 1939 suggestion to carry surprisingly few guns if I'm not mistaken, 4x250 and 4x150 mm guns. It seems odd though because the tonnage is also at 8000. 

[renhanxue]

Does this help?

(if you want the highest possible quality from Google Drive, just download the pics)

 

 

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Does this help?

(if you want the highest possible quality from Google Drive, just download the pics)

 

 

 

I right-clicked and downloaded that way and it didn't help, apparently one must press the actual download button to get full scale image. 

 

The question is how one should interpret layers of armour, the sources I've used so far make pretty simple statements like "200 mm armour by the water line" whereas here we got blueprints displaying e.g 125 mm of water line armour and then additional layers of armour further in. Like in this image there is first 125 mm then 60 mm sloped armour and then 25 mm of armour. 

 

[renhanxue]

That's the 1934 you posted, the stuff I posted is for the 1939.

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That's the 1934 you posted, the stuff I posted is for the 1939.

 

I know, I'm just more concerned with the 1934 suggestion as it seems to maybe work at tier 10. The 1939 seems weaker than the 1934 suggestion in every way so I don't really know what to do with it, looks like tier 5 material to me with so few guns. 

[renhanxue]

Well, it's 25 cm guns to the 20 cm on the other high tier cruisers. But yeah there's not a lot of them. That's what you get for making a ship less than half the deplacement of a, say, Des Moines.

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tbh I think the 1939 suggestion is unfinished. It doesn't make sense that it would have the same tonnage yet fewer and lower calibre guns. 

[kui_blader]

I really want to drive the Tre Kronor, best of luck to you.

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I can kinda see now why WG is considering whether coastal defence ships should be battleships or cruisers. Here is an image from a Swedish engineering magazine that list various coastal defence ships.

 

 

 

The heavier foreign coastal defence ships certainly look more like battleship material, but Swedish and Finnish coastal defence ships were as previously mentioned designed to operate in a archipelago environment and had as such quite strict size restrictions enforced upon them. Nordic coastal defence ships are simply too small to be considered anything but cruisers, or at best low tier battleships.

 

 

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Swedish torpedo tube from 1936. Was difficult to actually find any images of Swedish torpedo launchers, I wanted to make sure that they had a triple set-up just like the ones used by the major powers. 

 

[renhanxue]

What about the destroyer line, though? Or maybe a combined cruiser/destroyer line?

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What about the destroyer line, though? Or maybe a combined cruiser/destroyer line?

 

The problem is lack of high tier candidates with the Halland-class gone. HMS Öland could work at tier 7 but that's about as high Sweden gets without paper ships. 

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This my proposal for a Swedish destroyer line. This time I'll list the AA as I think all the 40 mm Bofors guns that Swedish destroyers used, even on early tiers, could come in handy as secondary fire guns. It would provide Swedish destroyer with an advantage in close combat destroyer duels. 

 

HMS Mjölner, Mode-class destroyer, tier II candidate

 

 

Constructed in 1942 and decommissioned in 1966, HMS Mjölner was armed with 3 x 105 mm, 2 x 40 mm and 2 x 20 mm guns and 3 x torpedo tubes. At a light weight of 795 tons it could travel at a speed of 30 knots. 

 

Why use Mjölner over Mode, which the class is named after, you may ask? I just think Mjölner is a cooler name is all. Getting torpedo'ed in the face by Thor's hammer sounds like fun. 

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HMS Ehrensköld, Ehrensköld-class destroyer, tier III candidate 

 

 

Built in 1926 and decommissioned in 1963, HMS Ehrensköld was a great leap in Swedish inter-war naval technology and one of the first modern looking destroyers in the navy. Armed with 3 x 120 mm and 2 x 40 mm guns as well as 6 x torpedo tubes. It had a weight of 1000 tons and could travel at a speed of 35 knots. 

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HMS Klas Horn, Klas-class destroyer, tier IV candidate 

 

 

Constructed 1931 and decommissioned in 1958, HMS Klas Horn had similar armament layout of previous tier with 3 x 120 mm, 2 x 40 mm guns and 6 x torpedo tubes. Main difference lies in speed which had been measured up to 37,75 knots during a speed test. It had a weight of 1020 tons. 

 

HMS Klas Horn were one of three destroyers that exploded during the "Horsfjärds' catastrophe" in 1941, caused by a internal torpedo explosion speculated to be caused by allied saboteurs. Klas Horn was sunk but could be salvaged and re-entered service already in 1943. 33 people died in the incident. 

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HMS Göteborg, Göteborg-class destroyer, tier V candidate

 

 

HMS Göteborg, built in 1935 and decommissioned in 1958, carried 3 x radio guided 120 mm and 4 x 25 mm guns. It also carried 6 x torpedo tubes, could travel up to 40 knots according to a speed test and had a weight of 1240 tons. 

 

Yet another destroyer that was sunk during the Horsfjärd's catastrophe, also salvaged and recommissioned. Reportedly one of the navy's most competent and loved destroyer classes. 

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HMS Visby, Visby-class destroyer, tier VI candidate

 

 

Constructed in 1942 and decommissioned in 1982, HMS Visby carried 3 x 120 mm, 4 x 40 mm and 2 x 20 mm gun and also 6 x torpedo tubes. It traveled at a speed of 40 knots (again according to a speed test) and had a weight of 1320 tons. 

 

Better placement of turrets allowed for a overall wider field of fire. Not to be confused with the modern Visby stealth corvette. 

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HMS Öland, Öland-class destroyer, tier VII candidate

 

 

Constructed in 1945 and decommissioned in 1978, HMS Öland was a modern post war destroyer that carried 4 x 120 mm, 7 x 40 mm and 8 x 20 mm guns, as well as 6 x torpedo tubes. It could travel at a speed of 35 knots and had a weight of 2250 tons. It had a double hull design for added protection (spaced armour basically). 

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2500 ton destroyer, 1941 "stadsjagare" project, tier XIII candidate

 

Link to image due to photo limit

 

Another 1941 - 1942 project. 2500 tons at 38 knots. Armed with 6 x 120 mm, 8 x 40 mm, 8 x 25 mm. I can't quite make out the number of torpedo tubes, but I believe it says 6. 

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2400 ton destroyers, 1947 "stadsjagare" project, tier IX - X candidate

 

Link to image due to photo limit

 

A 1947 project that would eventually lead to the Halland-class destroyer. At 2400 tons it can travel at a speed of 35 knots while armed with 4 x fully automatic 120 mm, 8 x 40 mm guns and 12 x torpedo tube. Thickest armour is about 20 mm. Fully loaded the weight would increase to 2900 tons. 

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Premium ships will be listed below.

 

HMS Psilander, Psilander/Sella-class destroyer, potential tier IV premium candidate 

 

 

Built in 1926, bought from Italy in 1940 and decommissioned in 1947. HMS Psilander carried 4 x 120 mm and 2  x 40 mm as well as 4 x torpedo tubes. It travelled at a speed of 35 knots and had a weight of 1480 tons. The main difference between the Italian and Swedish version of this ship is the AA, the Swedish navy removed the pom-pom guns and installed modern 40 mm Bofors guns instead. 

 

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HMS Romulus, Romulus/Spica-class destroyer, potential tier II - III premium candidate

 

 

Built in 1934, also purchased from Italy in 1940, and decommissioned in 1958. HMS Romulus was armed with 3 x 100 mm, 6 x 20 mm guns and 4 x torpedo tubes. The Swedish contribution to this ship was again a modernisation of the AA system where the old pom-pom guns were switched out for German 20-mm Flak guns. It travelled at a speed of 34 knots with a weight of 900 tons. 

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I also wish to post this destroyer that narrowly doesn't make it within Wargame's 1948 limit, the HMS Halland.

 

HMS Halland, Halland-class destroyer, hypothetical tier X candidate. 

 

 

HMS Halland was a post-war destroyer built in 1952 and decommissioned in 1987. It was armed with 4 x fully automatic rapid fire 120 mm Bofors guns, 2 x 57 mm and 6 x 40 mm guns and in addition to that 8 x torpedo tubes. It could travel at a speed of 35 knots and had a weight of 3400 tons. Each gun had a rate of fire of 40 shells per minute, giving the main batteries a total rate of fire of 160 shells per minute. A very fine ship that we unfortunately never will see in the game unless the devs stretches the time limit a tiny bit. 

 

Lexicon: 

Mjölner - Swedish for Mjölnir

Ehrensköld - Swedish noble house 

Klas Horn - Swedish 16th century admiral who won important battles against Denmark. 

Göteborg - Gothenburg, Sweden's second largest city

Visby - the capital of the island province of Gotland

Öland - island in the Baltic and Swedish province

Halland - Swedish province by the west coast

 

[mr3awsome]

Those are some very nice tier 11 & 12 candidates you suggest

 

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mr3awsome, on 22 March 2015 - 06:39 PM, said:

Those are some very nice tier 11 & 12 candidates you suggest

 

Hm, yes. Launched from orbit by military satellites. 

So I've been thinking (and playing) and I think that the 1939 suggestion probably could work at tier VI. I am myself currently playing the Aoba cruiser and I feel like project 1939 would likely be about as strong given that it carries more and higher calibre guns and is protected by a lot more armour. AA and torpedo tubes aren't even mentioned in the project files, so it's kinda open for the devs to add for balancing purposes. I personally think that they would carry at least 2 x torpedo tubes like all the earlier coastal defence ships in the Swedish navy. 
 

[Eyeless_Camper]

I have actually worked at a Swedish-Dutch tech tree as a joined one. 

It is pretty unfinished in its current state.

 

Cruisers

Tier 1: Clas Fleming
Tier 2: Äran
Tier 3: Fylgia
Tier 4: Gotland
Tier 5: Sverige, Java
Tier 6: Armored Destroyer "1944", De Champs, Tromp
Tier 7: Eendracht class
Tier 8: Tre Kronor, De Zeven Provincien
Tier 9: Dutch 16,000 Ton Project 24cm
Tier 10: Dutch 16,000 Ton Project 28cm

 

Battleships

Tier 3: Project 743
Tier 4: Project 735

 

Destroyers

Tier 2: Romulus
Tier 3: Psilander
Tier 4: Göteborg, Admiralen
Tier 5: Visby
Tier 6: Öland, Gerard Callenburgh
Tier 7: N-class
Tier 8: Östergötland    
Tier 9: Friesland
Tier 10: Halland

 

Carriers
Tier 4: Nairana-class, Gotland Hangar-cruiser
 

 

 

 I personally think that they would carry at least 2 x torpedo tubes like all the earlier coastal defence ships in the Swedish navy. 

 

I really doubt that since underwater torpedo tubes were shown to be a bad choice for modern ships and was removed in the early 30s from the Sverige class.

All it did was give another weakspot to flood.

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I have actually worked at a Swedish-Dutch tech tree as a joined one. 

It is pretty unfinished in its current state.

 

Cruisers

Tier 1: Clas Fleming
Tier 2: Äran
Tier 3: Fylgia
Tier 4: Gotland
Tier 5: Sverige, Java
Tier 6: Armored Destroyer "1944", De Champs, Tromp
Tier 7: Eendracht class
Tier 8: Tre Kronor, De Zeven Provincien
Tier 9: Dutch 16,000 Ton Project 24cm
Tier 10: Dutch 16,000 Ton Project 28cm

 

Battleships

Tier 3: Project 743
Tier 4: Project 735

 

Destroyers

Tier 2: Romulus
Tier 3: Psilander
Tier 4: Göteborg, Admiralen
Tier 5: Visby
Tier 6: Öland, Gerard Callenburgh
Tier 7: N-class
Tier 8: Östergötland    
Tier 9: Friesland
Tier 10: Halland

 

Carriers
Tier 4: Nairana-class, Gotland Hangar-cruiser
 

 

 

 

I really doubt that since underwater torpedo tubes were shown to be a bad choice for modern ships and was removed in the early 30s from the Sverige class.

All it did was give another weakspot to flood.

 

Yeah, I guess, though the irony is that in WoWS it would probably be more beneficial to have a few torps at your disposal at the cost of a small weakspot. As for a Dutch-Swedish tree, I think we will either see an international or EU tree, or these two nations as entirely separate trees. But it's always fun to speculate. 

 

Anyway, the progress for the Swedish tree is going well and renhanxue has found more info about Swedish torpedoes as well as several proposals for Swedish defence ships.  

 

It's basically a Sverige-class ship but with 6 x 305 mm and 6 x 105 guns. Whether or not it's better than the actual Sverige-class that was constructed depends if you will be able to control the 8 x 152 mm guns as part of the main batteries or not. With this in mind it could fit any of the higher tiers pretty nicely. 

 

We also know exactly what kind of torpedoes Sweden used during the time period. 

 

 

35 cm, 38 cm, 45 cm and 53 cm of various configurations that I don't really know any specifics of (steam torpedo, "cold" torpedo, "warm" torpedo etc). 

[renhanxue]

Keep reading that torpedo file, there's more info about the various models.