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I've just unlocked the Ranger. Ive been using the stock build for independence and was wandering if it was going to be the same or if I should use a different build. So far I have gotten used to the Inde, nearly causing a devastating strike in each game, while doing around 85k damage.

I'm using the following captain skills I've used on Inde that will hopefully work on Ranger and up? I don't know if these are good on a cv but used it from the wiki.

1: Aircraft Servicing Expert

2: Torpedo Acceleration

3: Torpedo Armament Expertise

4: Air Supremacy

 

I don't know why but I just get scared of higher tier AA so what are the best ships to focus. 

Also what happens if I vs a Hiryu?

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Ranger is pretty much the same as Independence, yes. What changes is everything else though :D

Hiryu has 2 or 3 fighters instead of 1 or 3 like Ryujo and there are the two premium CVs Saipan and Kaga.

 

I'd recommend using stock build on Ranger too since the other setups are just bad (no fighters or no damage).

 

Your captain skills are the best choice for any CV, so keep them. Unless you really want to be [edited] and play Fighter-Setup, then of course no skills for the torpedos you don't have. ^^

 

Tier 7 matchmaking is usually pretty nice, so you won't be lowtier too often.

The ships you should stay away from are: North Carolina, Iowa, Alabama, Neptune, Prinz Eugen, Hipper, Roon, Kutuzov, Donskoi, Atlanta, Flint, Cleveland, Pensacola, New Orleans, Baltimore

unless they didn't invest in a single AA-skill/use sonar instead of Def-AA.

 

If you meet a CV with two (or more) Fighters, you strafe. Your squad is bigger and has more ammunition. Always keep in mind that you can strafe out of a dogfight if necessary. And of course that your enemy can do the same.

It's a common tactic to strafe into the fight with one squad while the squad from the fight strafes out which results in killing most of your planes while losing only one.

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If you're use to running the stock loadout on the Inde and can use it well I would say that its still viable on the Ranger. I myself ran the stock loadout  all the way till the Ranger and after unlocking the Lexi, swapped to strike to be able to do damage since the stock loadout on a Lexi does not really work in the high tier AA environment in terms of being able to deal decent damage.

 

Skill wise its fine, CV skills are usually all the same but you may want to consider getting concealment expert for your next skill if you intend to proceed down the line as the Lexi and Midway have very poor concealment.

 

Target wise, if you're in a Tier 9 game, I would suggest going after the DDs first and do more scouting at the start. Remember though that Akizuki has pretty good AA and USN DDs can have both good AA and the defensive AA ability so be careful when attacking them. If there are same tier BBs or CAs in the game you should go after them as well. Tier 8 and above CAs AA are all pretty tough so I won't touch them unless they're at low health. High tier BB is a gamble. If you're willing to risk your planes, send in the DB first and bomb the BB to knock out its AA guns, then follow up by a torp drop. I would say IJN bbs have the poorest AA (but by no means weak. My Amagi has wiped out 2 tier 9 TBs from a saipan even before they drop on me with just bft and aft), German is medium while USN is super so prioritize IJN BBs first, then German then USN. If you see any enemy BBs that are like 1/3 or 1/4 health its safe to drop on them also regardless of tier since their AA should be mostly knocked out. You must remember while CVs can do ton of damage, your goal is to win so even if you constantly end up in tier 9 games, plan your attacks to win and don't get demoralize. You kill their DDs they have less ship to scout or cap. You kill off low health ships your team get more pts while they get less. 

 

I would say Hiryu is the least of your problem. Knowing how to strafe and also use the strafe out mechanics when you get "locked" by enemy fighters is important like what commander_cornflakes said. With 7 fighters in a squadron you can afford to do so unlike a IJN one that has max 5 only. Your main problem would be the saipan since there planes are way faster. Learn to use friendly AA against enemy fighters. Fight above allied ships (excluding allied DDs) and use their AA to your advantage, especially in high tier games so that your allies's AA can shoot at the enemy planes and help you while you lock their planes in a fight.

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I would go full strike ranger. What is changed from t6 is power of AAA and 1 TB and 1 DB Just don't cut anymore. 

 

Also hiryu on "click" can win fight over you. Not to mention strafing. 

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Strike with Lexi = ok -> you got strong AA and AA-consumable

Strike with Ranger = not ok -> weak AA, no consumable, very often target of CV snipes

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1 hour ago, 15JG52Adler said:

I would go full strike ranger. What is changed from t6 is power of AAA and 1 TB and 1 DB Just don't cut anymore. 

 

Nah the AA is still within acceptable level given. See:

 

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This is the result from solely playing 1/1/1. Don't forget you also get to play against tier 5 and 6 ships and at those tiers apart from certain ships like the Cleveland, given the health of those tier 7 planes you can cause alot of havoc.

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Got both line, play only CV.

its time to stop the US line and go for the jap.

Ranger is weak in any setup vs any T7 CV.

 

 

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I'm constantly getting Devastating strikes with the stock build. My guess is this will change in Lexi because of HP and smarter players? Also how do I counter a Saipan?

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5 hours ago, ARP_KhaosAssassin said:

I'm constantly getting Devastating strikes with the stock build. My guess is this will change in Lexi because of HP and smarter players? Also how do I counter a Saipan?

 More of the health rather than smarter players. A 1/1/1 lexi config will see your strike planes literally melt before you can do much in those tier 10 games. On the other hand with strike you can stack your 3 squads of db together and drop on say a Kurfust and knock out alot of its aa first then send yr tb to mop up without them dying. The difficulty comes cause you dont have a fighter so you're at the mercy of the enemy cv, unless it is a strike lexi as well. Plus you get 1000pd he bombs from lexi onwards and they can really cause a bit of hurt unlike earlier US db bombs.

 

As much as possible fight enemy saipan fighters over friendly AA, be wary of strafe since saipan are the strafe king in this game and dont hesitate to strafe out of a lock if you notice thr enemy saipan's other fighter is gonna strafe you. Get the fighter mod in the 2nd upgrade slot for more fighter health and ammo. Also consider getting dogfighting expert since it increases your fighter's effectiveness over higher tier fighters and saipan has tier 9 while u have tier 7 so yr fighters are 20% more effective during those click fights. There is the added bonus of having more fighter ammo from the skill as well. I once got called a cheat and reported by this saipan player cause my fighters kept wrecking his in those 1 on 1 fighter fight. The amount of salt he had was ridiculous lol.

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3 hours ago, pra3y said:

There is the added bonus of having more fighter ammo from the skill as well. I once got called a cheat and reported by this saipan player cause my fighters kept wrecking his in those 1 on 1 fighter fight.

Ive managed to deal with saipan fighters when there alone because of the modules and skills but not when theres 2 when they click on my fighter. Once I get Lexi would it be a lot more different then Ranger and would I need to research the other flight controls? Sorry for all the questions

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1 hour ago, ARP_KhaosAssassin said:

Ive managed to deal with saipan fighters when there alone because of the modules and skills but not when theres 2 when they click on my fighter. 

 

Yeap that's why you have to either strafe them or when fighting his fighters (single or both) you should fight near friendly AA so that there AA can help you shoot down the fighters as well.

 

1 hour ago, ARP_KhaosAssassin said:

I Once I get Lexi would it be a lot more different then Ranger and would I need to research the other flight controls? Sorry for all the questions

 

Its a whole different ball game with Lexi cause you face tier 10 ships with all the best AA in the game so while Inde and Ranger are not that much different (at least to me), the Lexi belongs to a different plane. I strongly suggest that you play lexi in strike loadout. I researched the strike deck and db first, then the hull B and finally tb. Playing strike lexi would be different from the 1/1/1 since you lack a fighter (I know i know captain obvious) but the key difference is when you end up in those tier 9/10 games you can rely on your friendly AA to help you plus with Lexi hull B unless it is another strike lexi and the CV snipe/attack is done properly the AA of the Lexi hull b is kinda like god tier and will shred planes like no tomorrow.

 

No problem with the questions. You can ask them over here as well if you want:

 

Kinda like a pub of CV players and they'll be happy to help. 

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No its worst because now you have hiryu kaga and that bloody saipan that doesnt know what nerf is...

I grinded out of it as fast as i could..

As for the setup, i had more luck with stock and it kinda prepares you for strike setup. (at least you got to try this as it has heavy bombers)

 

I never liked AS because most of the time my team wasnt good enough to capitalize on it.

Strike was more casino like... but if you manage to pull off good strike and DOT felt so satisfying.. You can even strike cvs in 1 go if they dont react fast.

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Only point of AS setup is the spot. Destroying planes is useless, but keeping the enemy DD out of the caps, constantly spotting them and their torps will make their life very hard, and that's how an AS CV can win game.

Though a good balanced 1-1-1 or strike will just removes the DDs themselves, which is actually even better... And that doesn't change the fact that spotting is a CV main job.

 

Honestly, apart from premium CV Kaga/Enterprise/Saipan, I think the only fun in CVs right now is at tier 9. Essex and Taiho are quite balanced with each other, the planes are much more durable than in tier 8, the MM is mostly tier 10 but you occasionally see tier 7, and even in tier 10 battle you can do something. It's way harsher in tier 10 CV as they have to constantly deal with monster-AA and the economy is even more unforgiving.

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On 10/7/2017 at 0:44 AM, ShinGetsu said:

Only point of AS setup is the spot. Destroying planes is useless, but keeping the enemy DD out of the caps, constantly spotting them and their torps will make their life very hard, and that's how an AS CV can win game.

Though a good balanced 1-1-1 or strike will just removes the DDs themselves, which is actually even better... And that doesn't change the fact that spotting is a CV main job.

 

Honestly, apart from premium CV Kaga/Enterprise/Saipan, I think the only fun in CVs right now is at tier 9. Essex and Taiho are quite balanced with each other, the planes are much more durable than in tier 8, the MM is mostly tier 10 but you occasionally see tier 7, and even in tier 10 battle you can do something. It's way harsher in tier 10 CV as they have to constantly deal with monster-AA and the economy is even more unforgiving.

Uuuuhhhhh Taiho is one of best ship around while Essex is pure garbage compared to taiho. 

 

Taiho dominates Essex in any segment of the game. It has stronger fighters, much stronger strike and unparalel spoting and all that in strike deck. 

 

USA cv stops at t 6. Maybe t7 after that it is pure ijn domination

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Taiho, stronger fighter ? Surely you're joking ? It has two squad, but even a properly played 1-1-3 Essex can just toy around them.

 

Every player in my clan and players I knows that own both Essex and Taiho find them balanced with each others, and like both equally.

 

Also Midway is better than Hakuryuu. That 2-1-2 setup is a monster.

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1 hour ago, ShinGetsu said:

Taiho, stronger fighter ? Surely you're joking ? It has two squad, but even a properly played 1-1-3 Essex can just toy around them.

 

Every player in my clan and players I knows that own both Essex and Taiho find them balanced with each others, and like both equally.

 

Also Midway is better than Hakuryuu. That 2-1-2 setup is a monster.

you can only toy with idiots....those 2 fighters can and will toy with you...it has more HP, more DPS and most importan can lock/strafe you....while you can do crap...strafe head on and got locked.

 

i allways like to hear peoples takling about ships they dont have :) cose yxyou have total 0 games in bouth Haku or Midway....gg mate :=)

 

also you have epic 0 games in ESSEX

 

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1 hour ago, ShinGetsu said:

Taiho, stronger fighter ? Surely you're joking ? It has two squad, but even a properly played 1-1-3 Essex can just toy around them.

 

Every player in my clan and players I knows that own both Essex and Taiho find them balanced with each others, and like both equally.

 

Also Midway is better than Hakuryuu. That 2-1-2 setup is a monster.

Uh you have to be joking :) just look at the server stats for US and IJN CVs... IJN CVs crap on USN CVs from such a height, they think it's some sort of god :) i just love facing strike Lexingtons in my Shokaku. 

 

Most people i know say that IJN CVs are just outright better.  :) 

 

Also Hakuryu with 2/3/3 or even 4/2/2 setups is even more of a monster... And no way it worse than Midway... 

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1 minute ago, DJ_Die said:

Uh you have to be joking :) just look at the server stats for US and IJN CVs... IJN CVs crap on USN CVs from such a height, they think it's some sort of god :) i just love facing strike Lexingtons in my Shokaku. 

 

Most people i know say that IJN CVs are just outright better.  :) 

 

Also Hakuryu with 2/3/3 or even 4/2/2 setups is even more of a monster... And no way it worse than Midway... 

he is joking, he does have 13 games in taiho....0 games in essex, 0 games in hakuryu, 0 games in Midway

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3 minutes ago, 15JG52Adler said:

he is joking, he does have 13 games in taiho....0 games in essex, 0 games in hakuryu, 0 games in Midway

Oh youre right,  ive just checked... The only USN carrier he's played is the Saipan. :Smile_trollface: yup... 

I mean people dont have to paly the ships to know a bit about them but that requires quite a lot of knowledge and thinking :) 

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Oh, yeah, I'm "just" relying on the opinion of weak players like Thisheep, Malimoo, Isithran...

It's not like they know what they're talking about, right ?

 

I tend to believe players like sheep when they're telling me "Midway 2-1-2 is by far the strongest tier X CV"

 

Also, for the server stats, I'm sorry guys but they are totally not telling the truth in the case of CV.

You want to know why ? Look at the number of dumbass playing the AS setup. They're dragging the server stats while every player play bbalanced IJN

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10 minutes ago, DJ_Die said:

Oh youre right,  ive just checked... The only USN carrier he's played is the Saipan. :Smile_trollface: yup... 

I mean people dont have to paly the ships to know a bit about them but that requires quite a lot of knowledge and thinking :) 

it ussualy gets like this - you got butfucked by some player in some ship, and than you decide that that ship is OP.

i bet somebody in ESSEX demolished him in his stock taiho=essex dominates :)

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1 minute ago, ShinGetsu said:

Oh, yeah, I'm "just" relying on the opinion of weak players like Thisheep, Malimoo, Isithran...

It's not like they know what they're talking about, right ?

 

I tend to believe players like sheep when they're telling me "Midway 2-1-2 is by far the strongest tier X CV"

 

Also, for the server stats, I'm sorry guys but they are totally not telling the truth in the case of CV.

You want to know why ? Look at the number of dumbass playing the AS setup. They're dragging the server stats while every player play bbalanced IJN

i bet i can find you some books whre somebody states that earth is flat.....so it must be flat....play ship,. than come here and talk about something.....but nobody in this planet can say 1x7 fighters of essex are better (same skill apllied) than 2x5 ot taiho for air domination.

 

also number of AS monkeys are the same in IJS ans USA so it is not coincidence USA CVs are ships with THE WORST WR from t 5 till t 10.

 

and last thing cv with 3x4 TBs will ALLWAYS be better than ship with one TB squad because it can with ease deal with DDs while USA has problem with that because can not crosdrop and bombers are RNG eaven with manual drop.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

Oh, yeah, I'm "just" relying on the opinion of weak players like Thisheep, Malimoo, Isithran...

It's not like they know what they're talking about, right ?

 

I tend to believe players like sheep when they're telling me "Midway 2-1-2 is by far the strongest tier X CV"

 

Also, for the server stats, I'm sorry guys but they are totally not telling the truth in the case of CV.

You want to know why ? Look at the number of dumbass playing the AS setup. They're dragging the server stats while every player play bbalanced IJN

and last thig

 

THISSHEEP - his hakurz stats are better than Midway, his taiho stats are better than essex

MALIMOO - his haku/midwas stats are allmost the same, his taiho stats are better than essex

ISITHRAN - does not have haku, does not have taiho

 

so what are you saying?

 

 

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ShinGetsu is absolutely right.

Essex and Midway are very strong.

 

And, just to understand it correctly, 15JG52Adler and DJ_Die are looking at his stats and think his opinion is worth less than theirs?

While 15JG52Adler has just 50% winrate with his Essex and 45% with his Midway. And DJ_Die's highest CV is a shitty AS-Lexington.

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6 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

ShinGetsu is absolutely right.

Essex and Midway are very strong.

 

And, just to understand it correctly, 15JG52Adler and DJ_Die are looking at his stats and think his opinion is worth less than theirs?

While 15JG52Adler has just 50% winrate with his Essex and 45% with his Midway. And DJ_Die's highest CV is a shitty AS-Lexington.

 

very stong or better than IJN contraparts?

 

also i did not say crap about his stats, just that he does not have that ships...so how can you have strong opinion about sonething you did not try?

 

he said that some great players said so...than you look stats of that players and they all have better stats in their IJN than USA t9 ajnd t 10 ships.....

 

also you just pointed greatly....or i just suck hard in CV-s or IJN it is better because i have like 10% WR difference in IJN vs USA....again point for IJN that are much stronger ships

 

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great mate than you have 20 games in Essex and zero in Midway so first heand you can compare them..gj

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