Is fire damage OP?

[darkstar73]

Just now, ShinGetsu said:

If someone doesn't even understand what he is talking about, or didn't even chack the facts properly, I don't know why the hell I should consider his opinion on the first place ? I accept facts and actual experience, not "impressions".

Yes you have right. But still. But everyone have the right to say what they want without being jumped on :)

 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

6 minutes ago, darkstar73 said:

 

Yet someone who thinks it funny to check stats :P Just because you have better stats than most. Does it give you the right to have more to say? Just asking. Fire is not a problem. But sometimes it´s ridicioulus. Accept that not all think as you mate :) 

I strongly believe that you at least must be average player to start nerf/buff treads. Because belowe average and tomato don't understand basic mehainics of game aka can not give nerf/buff sugestions that have sence. 

[T0byJug]

55 minutes ago, Yankmyplank said:

Playing BB's in this game means being put on fire a lot! being reduced from full health to nothing in no time, yet I have searched records and can find no instance of a warship being destroyed by fire except ships made from wood!

Now I know there are arguments for game play yet torpedoes sunk many ships yet by comparison they are a lot harder to hit with and the reload times means ships can repair the flooding.

 

Warships killed by fire (searched for about 20 mins)

HMS Barham.. hit by Torpedoes

Explosion attributed to A fire in the 4inch gun magazine 

USS St. Lo

Hit by Kamikaze Plane exploded in hanger causing a Gasoline fire that caused further explosion  that sunk ship

USS Ommaney Bay

Abandoned by crew when they could not control Fires

USS Bismarck Sea

Abandoned when fires got out of control

HMS Southampton

Set on fire from bow to stern. Abandoned Ku de gra was by friendly torp

IJN CV Kaga

Fire on hanger deck caused Huge Explotions

USS Astoria

Intensive Fires below deck

HMS Keith (DD sunk at dunkirk)

Hit by bomb fire in boiler room could not be controlled. she was abandoned 

German CA Blücher

Fire Reached 10.5cm Magazine

 

Your Research is flawed mate.. Yes very few warships are actually sunk by fires but very many were sunk by explosion due to fire.. (these an idea if a ship is on fire it has a small chance of a detonation) 

Others there sinking was at least partily attributed to the water being used to control the fires(another idea ships on fire. If you use damage control party you start taking flooding damage) 

[darkstar73]

1 minute ago, 15JG52Adler said:

I strongly believe that you at least must be average player to start nerf/buff treads. Because belowe average and tomato don't understand basic mehainics of game aka can not give nerf/buff sugestions that have sence. 

Oki. Agree on you there :) 

[mtm78]

1 hour ago, nambr9 said:

this topic again??? I will IGNORE IT

Ow man but I feel so TRIGGERED by people asking for BBaby buffs   

 

edit: aw wait did I even miss a 'statistics don't matter in balance discussion' argument? Geez...

 

Trigger level > 9000!!!111one

 

Thank god everything I wanted to say in reaction has already be said and responded to in a way to civil manner for such a triggering topic  So I will take nambr9's path as well and continue to NOT REPLY in this topic!

 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

2 minutes ago, darkstar73 said:

Oki. Agree on you there :) 

And don't get me wrong. We all went to that phase. I bought tirpitz asap it went out.   Oh look I have torpedos....rush to torp....die asap off course. Than 5 minute of bitching in chat how team is full of cowards and idiots and how aTirpitz suck as ship....I was at 2k games and 48% and around 35% with tirpitz. My WR with it still did not recover from that phase. 

 

I did not understand my role, role of BBs, or role of torpedos on my BBs.....but I KNOWED tirpitz sucks :)

[Spellfire40]

1 hour ago, Yankmyplank said:

lots of talk about over extending and such but the truth to that statement is situational factors like later stages of battle enemy close to capping so have to engage, but yes early on in battle to disengage by retreat or using islands is best option, but we are not always afforded that luxury. Retreating relocating is impossible if you are heavily outnumbered HE then just removes any skill of angling as fire does not care where the ship is pointing. I never said I wanted fires to stop just I would prefer less damage and reduced abilities instead

 

As it should or are you saying that its unfair but a cruiser that is chased in a corner by 3 yamatos having 0 surviaval chance is as it should be? If your outnumbered alone your srewed even then a BB can dish out heavy punishment while CA/CL canot reduce a BB from full to 0 in 30 seconds unless you let yoursel get torped at point blank range,,,,,your not playing agist bots that are only there to provide you with exp credits and enjoyment.....

[darkstar73]

3 minutes ago, 15JG52Adler said:

And don't get me wrong. We all went to that phase. I bought tirpitz asap it went out.   Oh look I have torpedos....rush to torp....die asap off course. Than 5 minute of bitching in chat how team is full of cowards and idiots and how aTirpitz suck as ship....I was at 2k games and 48% and around 35% with tirpitz. My WR with it still did not recover from that phase. 

 

I did not understand my role, role of BBs, or role of torpedos on my BBs.....but I KNOWED tirpitz sucks :)

I also buyed her. And boy if i sucked on her. Got sunk every time. It´t the same with my stats on her. Not very good. I have to pay a saccrifice to RNGesus soon. To improve her stats. Am not a very good player. But i am improving. My biggest problem is that i am way to aggresive. :P 

[Venatacia]

1 hour ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

You might have to reconsider that statement.
The HMS Sheffield burnt down after being hit by a missile which didn't even explode during the Falklands war.

 

 

We have missiles in this game ?. Wouldn't the OP be talking in and around WWII and not modern day.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

7 minutes ago, Venatacia said:

 

We have missiles in this game ?. Wouldn't the OP be talking in and around WWII and not modern day.

Yes we have rockets in game.....it is one BBs that has them. 

[T0byJug]

8 minutes ago, Venatacia said:

 

We have missiles in this game ?. Wouldn't the OP be talking in and around WWII and not modern day.

Read my post OP is still completely wrong MAny warships were destroyed by fire in WW2

[Profilus]

1 hour ago, Robber_Baron said:

Thank you OP! Since the current BBaby Complaint Bingo is outdated (for example "Stealth-firing should be removed") I decided to make a new one, but wasn't sure what to implement on it.

 

DON'T DO IT !  Makes WG easier to find "good" ideas and implement them.

[Quallo_Musto]

Some of the responses here are absolutely condescending. I wonder if the culprits would answer like this if they were having a face to face conversation.

[Exocet6951]

16 minutes ago, Venatacia said:

 

We have missiles in this game ?. Wouldn't the OP be talking in and around WWII and not modern day.

 

It doesn't matter what caused the fire in the first place.

A ship with 30 years of technological advance compared to ships ingame (at the time it was built) was struck by something that goes boom, started a large fire, and the ship was tragically lost.
I think it's extremely telling that a ship from the 70's was (in)famously burnt down, and by extension absolutely unimaginable that a WWII era ship wasn't burnt down during the war.


The truth remains that a ship's worst enemy is, rather ironically considering it's surrounded by water, fire.
It was true 3000 years ago, and it still true today.

[T0byJug]

1 minute ago, Quallo_Musto said:

Some of the responses here are absolutely condescending. I wonder if the culprits would answer like this if they were having a face to face conversation.

Though i sort of agree with you.. 60 posts means you are not here that often.. The amount of times an poster who is predominantly a BB player comes on the forum to complains about fires/Torps/CV is just amazing. It starts to annoy people.

[cicciolorenz]

ther's relation between this post and the mission of fire damage of Yamamoto's campaign?

Edit First set is cruiser focused so MM i really good today

[mtm78]

9 minutes ago, Quallo_Musto said:

I wonder if the culprits would answer like this if they were having a face to face conversation.

 

 

6 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

you are not here that often

 

If 'here' means 'the internet' I think I agree with you   If one would include BBaby infestation and WG development direction, then yes threads like these are ..... triggering people. Simply because time has shown that not getting triggered leads to this

 

On 10-8-2017 at 8:20 PM, mtm78 said:

Last two weeks on WS.today

 

BB tier VIII 343k games past two weeks.  ( 145k Bismarck games, 91k Tirpitz games ). 

CA tier VIII 254k games past two weeks. 

DD tier VIII 141k games past two weeks

CV tier VIII 31k games past two weeks

 

Maybe we could buff German secondaries to help bring their numbers down? Can anyone give me a prediction what will happen when RN BB's are released? Anyone? Please?

 

On 10-8-2017 at 8:30 PM, mtm78 said:

And of the cruiser games, most of them are in IFHE MK. A Admiral Hipper on tier 8 has 32k games played in last two weeks. 

 

So, either people don't want to grind for high tier cruisers... or everyone just plays battleships because.. wait.. I really don't know  

 

All those cruisers leading to end tier's, and they are beaten by two German battleships one of which is a premium. I am not sure but if this is a grind based game shouldn't this be different?

 

 

Yeah.. we should really not point out any potential issues here at all. 

[GhostRiderMax123]

Yankmyplank fires are not OP. Ships burn. 

 

BB's have lots of HP and have access to the heal consumable so that they can tank damage and heal it back. 

 

If you are in a BB you will get HE spammed all I can say is to learn to live with it and to try your  best to correctly manage your damage control party. 

 

 

 

 

[rvfharrier]

2 hours ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

You might have to reconsider that statement.
The HMS Sheffield burnt down after being hit by a missile which didn't even explode during the Falklands war.

 

 

Fire didn't actually sink the Sheffield, it sank several days later due to flooding under tow.

 

To the OP. Is fire damage OP? No. Are some specific ships which dish out huge amounts of fire damage OP? Sure. That's a balancing issue for individual ships though rather than the mechanic itself.

 

Health in this game doesn't represent a ship's structural and watertight integrity. Health in this game broadly represents a ship's overall ability to remain in the fight, not to remain afloat. Fire doesn't sink ships, but it severely degrades their ability to remain fighting to the extent that many times throughout history ships that have been ravaged by uncontrollable fires were forced to be abandoned, often to be sunk later by friendly forces. A ship that was mission killed, but still afloat, in real life has to be represented in-game as having sunk due to a lack of an ultra-realistic simulation style alternative. Sinking by fire in that sense is perfectly reasonable, unless you'd be willing to spend hours trying to get your ship towed back to port while being unable to shoot!

[Capra76]

59 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Read my post OP is still completely wrong MAny warships were destroyed by fire in WW2

 

Maybe for fun the OP would like to count the number of (in-game) cruisers sunk by BB caliber guns during WWII.

[AgarwaenME]

3 hours ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

You might have to reconsider that statement.
The HMS Sheffield burnt down after being hit by a missile which didn't even explode during the Falklands war.

 

 

Add the Blücher to that, while it also took torpedo hits, it was the rampant fires after a large bombardment of smaller calibre artillery that in the end made it impossible for it to stay afloat.

 

Fires by and large is a massive threat to ships of any sort and practicing to prevent and fight them is something any sailor have to learn.

 

More than that, crying that BBs aren't entirely immune against CAs with the current state of the game is just effing absurd.

[AgarwaenME]

1 hour ago, Quallo_Musto said:

Some of the responses here are absolutely condescending. I wonder if the culprits would answer like this if they were having a face to face conversation.

 

Are you suggesting you turn to violence when you have no actual arguments?

 

Do you realise how poorly such a statement makes you appear?

[Quallo_Musto]

21 minutes ago, AgarwaenME said:

 

Are you suggesting you turn to violence when you have no actual arguments?

 

Do you realise how poorly such a statement makes you appear?

Are you serious?

[AgarwaenME]

1 minute ago, Quallo_Musto said:

Are you serious?

 

Are you? Since that's what you were suggesting. Why else would anyone fear telling you the truth?

[Quallo_Musto]

Just now, AgarwaenME said:

 

Are you? Since that's what you were suggesting. Why else would anyone fear telling you the truth?

I think you misunderstood my post.