havaduck ∞ Players 2,989 posts 11,824 battles Report post #1 Posted August 10, 2017 Those aware of the patch notes might already know, but I like to point it out to all the forumites who might be busy, or overead that point ....... or are simply fed up with WGs stupidity and for their sanities sake abstain form WG-patchnotes. ARP ships were a independent "nation", so to say, if you wanted you could only put those captains in those ships. However you could do so freely without retraining - like a premium ship. (They still didnt earn more xp/creds and you didnt get a camouflage; you couldnt even mount one at all. So only "semi premium") You can now inter switch ARP captains with regular ships ..... and vice versa, but it can be a little tricky at times: Examples: A Takao captain going on a Mogami? -> Retraining required. A Zao captain going a Tako -> Premium ship kicks in - all skills fully working. Takao captain on ARP Kongo -> Premium ship kicks in - all skills fully working. If thats to abstract, look a this picture: Ofc that means you are going to get farmed by 19 pts regular captains in ARP ships ........ but I cant call it p2w-change this time. (Well the 19 pts captains are ofc!) -> Those with the 19 pts captains are likely to have an Atago anyway, and they could farm you with 19 pts captains anway, so the p2w niveau is .... stable, so to say. For the rest of the playerbase its a nice change/addition: Those that want their ARP captains on a regular ship, can now do so (at least 1 without constant retraining), and the rest might was well put the regular captains with the "no manga"-mod installed and get rid of the ARP voices. (I can feel the flames already closing in ....... ) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #2 Posted August 10, 2017 WG <3 weebs 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HABIT] Tungstonid Beta Tester 1,568 posts Report post #3 Posted August 10, 2017 44 minutes ago, havaduck said: You can now inter switch ARP captains with regular ships ..... and vice versa, but it can be a little tricky at times: A Takao captain going on a Mogami? -> Retraining required. A Zao captain going a Tako -> Premium ship kicks in - all skills fully working. Takao captain on ARP Kongo -> Premium ship kicks in - all skills fully working. What exactely is tricky about that? It is the same as with normal premium ships. Example: Atago captain on Mogami --> retraining required Zao captain on Atago --> no retraining required Atago captain on Mutsu --> no retraining required 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #4 Posted August 10, 2017 Wich also means we have a cople of more 15 Point plus comander to mess arond normal IJN nships ading their Voices for line ships. Retrained my Takao for Ibuki and thinking about moving the high Point Hiei to Amagi.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
havaduck ∞ Players 2,989 posts 11,824 battles Report post #5 Posted August 10, 2017 ............ and when will we get them to do a collaboration with Hasbro? @Tuccy @Sub_Octavian @Kandly (Marvin, do you think thats enough breadcrumbs to lure them here? ) I mean look at all that majestic royalty! Highly ship-related too, if I may say so! Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Even soviet! (If that one doent penetrate and cause a citadel, nothing will! ) Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler ........ be glad I am using spoilers to not outight the thread! 6 hours ago, Tungstonid said: What exactely is tricky about that? It is the same as with normal premium ships. What exactely is tricky about that? You see, if the this game has taught me one thing, its that: Just because I can figure that one out, does not mean the rest of the playerbase will too (and I think we have a lot of read-only-users). If you want an example for that: You and why I used a polite way to convey this information on the whole matter. Live has also taught me that everyone can suddenly be dumbfound without there being something objectively difficult at hand, so is it really that hard to understand why its good customs to give a few examples when providing information? Even if you arent a teacher, you should have visited a school and therefore experienced the fact+example education first hand. Also since this are ships of a category completely of its own, I could see why WG would allow ARP captains on regular silver/premium ships (voices, weaboo whatever), but not regular captains on those special-category ships. Hell it could have been even part of the collab.-contract they signed; who knows? All these consideration win against opening the thread with: Yo, listen up you little dumb ! - dont they? Lastly: If WG would finally figure out a damn way to let us dismiss the horde of them surplus ARP captains, which they did put into my barrack ship? Preferably with transferring the xp to a single one of them ...... ( again: *I regret nothing*) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NyronGT Alpha Tester 950 posts 7,248 battles Report post #6 Posted August 10, 2017 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reisen__ Players 375 posts 811 battles Report post #7 Posted August 10, 2017 How to go from a topic to off topic XD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PseudoMi Players 607 posts 7,274 battles Report post #8 Posted August 10, 2017 Still no camo possible on ARP ships :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAIFU] meyos90 Players 84 posts 4,883 battles Report post #9 Posted August 10, 2017 So the only difference between Arp Takao and Atago is the camo? Does that mean i payed almost 11k doubloons for a premium camo? That is obviously not worth it and if i had known this i would have bought a different premium ship instead. Could i get my doubloons back or trade my Atago for a Kutuzov? Seriously though, the ability to use camo on a ship does seem to be a bit overpriced at almost 11k doubloons, so maybe the camo should get buffed. Like +50% captain exp bonus on top of the already existing +50% normal exp bonus? Or maybe missions that you can only complete with the Atago? Actually maybe every premium ship could get its own mission? Or actually, maybe i am too tired to be on the forum and i should sleep now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XBGX] _VAMPA_ Players 747 posts 16,618 battles Report post #10 Posted August 10, 2017 Atago is premium ship with all benefits ARP Takao IS NOT btw yes yes yes & dragon works xD +1 Hava Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAIFU] meyos90 Players 84 posts 4,883 battles Report post #11 Posted August 11, 2017 If you didn't have the Atago but you had the Arp Takao, would you be willing to pay 2k doubloons for the credits and exp bonoses? I know i would because it is an awesome ship. Would you be willing to pay 3k doubloons? I would. How about 4k? I would probably pay that much. 5k? Maybe... i would consider it. 6k? probably not. 7k? Absolutely not, that is way too much! Would you pay 10,7k? I did and i thought it was worth it since i thought i was paying for not only the bonuses but also the ability to train japanese captains. I never had any problems when the Arp ships did not have the ability to train captains. I also do not consider the credits and exp bonuses for the Atago to be worthless. Like i said i think they are worth about 3-5k doubloons but certainly not 10,7k. So is buffing the camo to make it give +50% captain exp really that unreasonable? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XBGX] _VAMPA_ Players 747 posts 16,618 battles Report post #12 Posted August 11, 2017 nope but dont forget 1 thing, this is from current patch and in next may disappear ;) and btw i really dont like that arp cancer xD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
havaduck ∞ Players 2,989 posts 11,824 battles Report post #13 Posted August 11, 2017 You got to remember: How long do you have the Atago now in your port. If its only a few days to 1-2 months - fair enough, I can see why you might be pissed, buts its nothing different from somebody doing a doubloon respec only to find out its on discount the next day. If you got the Atago for a lot of months even years and you are now complaining, then I gotta say I dont understand it. You had that ship with all its perks so long before everyone else (the ARP closure is still not that long past) got that "new" Takao. So if the ship is worth 5k to you to have in the future, consider the other 5,7 k an early adopters fee. Its not that much different to buy a ship full price when its released, compared to buy it later - but with a discount. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #14 Posted August 11, 2017 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Ubertron_X [NWP] Beta Tester 2,657 posts 25,762 battles Report post #15 Posted August 11, 2017 A step in the right directions but the big question is: When will be finally able to dismiss ARP commanders? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miessa3 Beta Tester 1,650 posts 8,204 battles Report post #16 Posted August 11, 2017 3 hours ago, El2aZeR said: Don't remind me! Still pissed we didn't get Maya - the best of em all (even if it's just a captain+voiceover)! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteDorff Players 684 posts 5,190 battles Report post #17 Posted August 11, 2017 Navy pony' s... now I have seen it all . I really like the ability to use the ARP s captains for the normals since I have them all even in reserve and a lot are already 6 or 10 or what was it it would be a waste to not retrain them for the regular lines I don't have that many Japan captains or ships jet so that is great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #18 Posted August 11, 2017 Ponies getting through Kancolle... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrk421 Players 430 posts 4,269 battles Report post #19 Posted August 11, 2017 5 hours ago, havaduck said: You got to remember: How long do you have the Atago now in your port. If its only a few days to 1-2 months - fair enough, I can see why you might be pissed, buts its nothing different from somebody doing a doubloon respec only to find out its on discount the next day. If you got the Atago for a lot of months even years and you are now complaining, then I gotta say I dont understand it. You had that ship with all its perks so long before everyone else (the ARP closure is still not that long past) got that "new" Takao. So if the ship is worth 5k to you to have in the future, consider the other 5,7 k an early adopters fee. Its not that much different to buy a ship full price when its released, compared to buy it later - but with a discount. I more-less agree. If you've gotten 100+ battles on a premium ship, any premium, you've gotten your money's worth - everything beyond that is a bonus. It's a bit like paying for something by installments - once you've paid the final installment you still own the product and can continue using it. ...at least that's how I look at it. As for the ARP ships, TBH when the campaigns were going on, I assumed they would be able to train IJN captains - after all, they are identical ships. That's why I didn't purchase a Japanese premium and instead went for a US and Russian ship, figuring I'd have crew trainers for 3 nations. So I was a bit let down when it turned out ARP was considered a separate nation. So I don't mind the change that came with patch 0.6.9. But, like havaduck said, if you just bought the Atago recently (like last month or two), for the sole purpose of having a ship to train you IJN captains on, I can see why you'd be upset by this change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,776 battles Report post #20 Posted August 11, 2017 39 minutes ago, Vanhal said: Ponies getting through Kancolle... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Tuccy [WG] WG Staff, Alpha Tester 3,516 posts 11,627 battles Report post #21 Posted August 11, 2017 First and foremost... 8 hours ago, meyos90 said: So the only difference between Arp Takao and Atago is the camo? Does that mean i payed almost 11k doubloons for a premium camo? That is obviously not worth it and if i had known this i would have bought a different premium ship instead. Could i get my doubloons back or trade my Atago for a Kutuzov? Seriously though, the ability to use camo on a ship does seem to be a bit overpriced at almost 11k doubloons, so maybe the camo should get buffed. Like +50% captain exp bonus on top of the already existing +50% normal exp bonus? Or maybe missions that you can only complete with the Atago? Actually maybe every premium ship could get its own mission? Or actually, maybe i am too tired to be on the forum and i should sleep now... Camouflage, economy bonuses and the fact that Atago was in significantly earlier than the collaboration (which was actually how we could get the ARP Takao in easily - model was already there). It is similar situation as Murmansk vs. Marblehead vs. Omaha or New York vs. Texas (or Hipster vs. Eugen). 1 hour ago, Ubertron_X said: A step in the right directions but the big question is: When will be finally able to dismiss ARP commanders? Unfortunately no can do - ARP ships and content have certain limits based ont he partnership conditions. That is why the commanders have a very good job security and ships cannot be sold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #22 Posted August 11, 2017 I have some of those ships, but somehow I find the persistent sound of a pre-teenage girl piping into my ears rather distracting. The visual effects are fine though I do not like the fact that they essentially seem to have no camo and are therefore at a disadvantage when compared to a regular Kongo, for example. So I have not played them much... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
havaduck ∞ Players 2,989 posts 11,824 battles Report post #23 Posted August 11, 2017 Well I say you are kinda late, we have been over this topic a few times already in the scrub channel. Lets just say some Scrubs have a "similar disposition". I think @lameoll got even his animated avatar out of that "discussion". So, somebody likes Warhammer? Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler €: Sorry if I ruined Warhammer now for some people , and hey that post was sent before I saw Tuccys - I would have probably filed it under "advise" anyway. On topic: 1 hour ago, SteDorff said: I really like the ability to use the ARP s captains for the normals since I have them all even in reserve and a lot are already 6 or 10 or what was it it would be a waste to not retrain them for the regular lines I don't have that many Japan captains or ships jet so that is great. But I have so many of them ....... and a lot are only 0 pts. I would really like to dismiss them, alone to make organising and switching captains around much more easy without having to go over a whole list of simply clutter. €2: 18 minutes ago, Tuccy said: Unfortunately no can do - ARP ships and content have certain limits based ont he partnership conditions. That is why the commanders have a very good job security and ships cannot be sold. You were saying? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PseudoMi Players 607 posts 7,274 battles Report post #24 Posted August 11, 2017 Anyway, without camo these ARP ships are inferior from the start to their counterparts, without possibility to recover this handicap. Why ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BRODS] chaparoni Players 40 posts 13,665 battles Report post #25 Posted August 11, 2017 1 hour ago, PseudoMi said: Anyway, without camo these ARP ships are inferior from the start to their counterparts, without possibility to recover this handicap. Why ? Because they were free to obtain. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
