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A new jap Battleship is about to come. Looks really great :) Want that one NOW 

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Indeed a beautiful ship and apart from the "German" bow her fantasy refits looks ok. Way better than Amagi for sure and a real option for buying - actually the first one in a while. I just hope she is not replacing Ashitaka :-(

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Well this isnt looking like the "stock" Amagi something they promised,Torps,AA mounts...

(seems superior to Amagi...)

Game needs more BBs anyway:Smile_teethhappy:

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Pretty sure those 40mm guns are Bofors - they look just like Zao's. Coupled with the 100mm guns, this ship should have pretty impressive AA for a japanese BB. Looking forward to more.

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Just now, LegioDamnatus said:

Pretty sure those 40mm guns are Bofors - they look just like Zao's. Coupled with the 100mm guns, this ship should have pretty impressive AA for a japanese BB. Looking forward to more.

 

Yes it has Bofors.

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Kii!!......  must resist..... must..... ahh screw it.... gimme nao!

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I do hope the reload gets lowered down to 30 seconds. :Smile_Default:

 

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9 minutes ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

I like the design.

Indeed. IMO the best looking ship in game. Or at least one of them :Smile_great:

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2 hours ago, Randschwimmer said:

I would rather have Sigma 2.0 than 6 km Torps. :Smile_sceptic:

 

Amagi doesn't even have 2.0 sigma.

 

I wonder if the better armor, boss AA and torpedoes will be enough compensation for horrible turret rotation, 5 sec longer reload, bad range and 0.1 worse sigma.

If it had the same or better turret rotation you could be excused for thinking it's more of a brawler, but not with that horrible turret rotation.

 

Personally I think it's too much nerf for those extra features, most of which are very situational. Cutting the range and sigma would have been enough in my opinion.

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2 minutes ago, Nechrom said:

 

Amagi doesn't even have 2.0 sigma.

 

I wonder if the better armor, boss AA and torpedoes will be enough compensation for horrible turret rotation, 5 sec longer reload, bad range and 0.1 worse sigma.

If it had the same or better turret rotation you could be excused for thinking it's more of a brawler, but not with that horrible turret rotation.

 

Personally I think it's too much nerf for those extra features, most of which are very situational. Cutting the range and sigma would have been enough in my opinion.

Also Amagi has turtleback....what about this one?

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1 minute ago, 15JG52Adler said:

Also Amagi has turtleback....what about this one?

From what I've heard, it has the same sloped citadel as Amagi. 

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7 minutes ago, 15JG52Adler said:

Also Amagi has turtleback....what about this one?

 

Both have the same armor design, just different plate thickness.

Kii has worse citadel "turtleback" thickness but instead heavier main belt. And since the Amagi/Kii "turtleback" barely classifies as that due to almost no sloping I think that the heavier belt will be more useful to reduce regular penetration damage. The same is true for the deck which is heavier on the Kii but instead sporting a weaker citadel roof.

Amagi does have a much larger bulge which covers the main belt as well for extra 25mm of armor.

Both ships have submerged citadels but the Kii's citadel is even slightly lower aft of the A and B turret.

Worth noting is also that the Kii has much worse gun and gun mount armor, which could prove problematic.

 

tl;dr - Both ships are probably f***ed if a BB shell hits the citadel, but the Kii has a slightly more difficult to reach citadel and a bit better outer armor to mitigate some regular pens.

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for me? nah, must be wrong number. ahahahahah

 

let's wait and see, let the new ship smell dissipates to see how it fairs  

 

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3 minutes ago, Nechrom said:

dr - Both ships are probably f***ed if a BB shell hits the citadel, but the Kii has a slightly more difficult to reach citadel and a bit better outer armor to mitigate some regular pens.

Do not underestimate Amagi's sloped citadel. Most BBs and all Cruisers has a hard time citadelling it when closer than 12km

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Amagi's turtleback is surprisingly tough. Kii will have nothing like Amagi's close range protection, that's for sure.

Having looked over her entire armour scheme I would rather have Amagi's weaker belt. Kii's main advantage lies in her being considerably shorter than Amagi, and hence has more situations where shells will simply miss her. But that's still pretty weak.

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2 minutes ago, Affeks said:

Do not underestimate Amagi's sloped citadel. Most BBs and all Cruisers has a hard time citadelling it when closer than 12km

 

I doubt that has much to do with the "sloped" citadel. It's rather because the citadel is submerged so hitting it with flat close range arcs is very difficult.

Let's break it down:

  • 25mm bulge
  • 254mm belt
  • 95mm citadel @ 30° (110mm)

For a total of 389mm effective armor without angling.

 

For reference:

  • Colorado - 453mm
  • Nagato - 439mm
  • Scharnhorst - 608mm :Smile_trollface:

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34 minutes ago, Unintentional_submarine said:

Amagi's turtleback is surprisingly tough. Kii will have nothing like Amagi's close range protection, that's for sure.

Having looked over her entire armour scheme I would rather have Amagi's weaker belt. Kii's main advantage lies in her being considerably shorter than Amagi, and hence has more situations where shells will simply miss her. But that's still pretty weak.

 

Just some small maths around the AA power of this ship.

 

I think we see the following things:

 

8x2 100mm AA guns (known from Akizuki, and I'm 100% sure about this one)

6x2 40mm Bofors "Chi" (known from Ibuki)

8x3 25mm (known from ships like Myoukou)

 

And some AA guns which i simply can't really identify, but allone those 3 things above let me think that this is gonna be an AA beast.

 

Basic Gun stats

20,8 DPS @ 5.01km

11 DPS @ 3.51km

6,1 DPS @ 3.09km

 

When we start multiplying these stats with the amount of whut we can already see we get the following values:

166,4 DPS @ 5.01km

176 DPS @ 3.51km

103.7 DPS @ 3.09km

 

when we use a max AA setup we get the folliwng things:

199,96 DPS @ 7,2144km (399,92 DPS with ManAA Prio Target or 519,896DPS [not sure if the 30% gets also added or not])

211,2 DPS @ 5,0544km (274,56 DPS with Prio Target)

124,44 DPS @ 4,4496km (161,772 DPS with Prio Target)

 

which means:

535,6 without prio target

836,252 with prio target or 956,228 (as i said, not sure about it)

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4 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Indeed a beautiful ship and apart from the "German" bow her fantasy refits looks ok. Way better than Amagi for sure and a real option for buying - actually the first one in a while. I just hope she is not replacing Ashitaka :-(

Agreed. Kii should have made it into the game a long time ago in my opinion and I've been looking forward to it for a long time, but it should not replace Ashitaka either. I'm a fan of japanese ship-building so I'm happy to finally see at least 1 premium T8 BB for the japanese.

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the torpedo launchers placement doesnt look very realistic. i think this would work only on WoWs calm waters

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6 minutes ago, puxflacet said:

the torpedo launchers placement doesnt look very realistic. i think this would work only on WoWs calm waters

 

It's the Zao torpedo placement. Though I agree that with the Kii sitting lower in the water it does look a bit strange.

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