Pan Asian Tech tree DD branch

[T0byJug]

So we have a new DD tech tree Branch.

Will have

Fletcher class DD

RN M(correction) N class DD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-,_K-_and_N-class_destroyer

 

RN R class DD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-class_destroyer_(1916)

Will update this thread as i get more information

[T0byJug]

1 hour ago, T0byJug said:

Duplicat post

[mtm78]

Uhm, this is being discussed already in the 'News from RU' and 'Discussion for news from RU' thread Toby ;)

[fumtu]

4 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

So we have a new DD tech tree Branch.

Will have

Fletcher class DD

RN M class DD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L_and_M-class_destroyer

 

 

Will update this thread as i get more information

 

It's an N class destroyer not L/M class

[Exocet6951]

4 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Uhm, this is being discussed already in the 'News from RU' and 'Discussion for news from RU' thread Toby ;)

 

It probably deserves its own thread, especially since the news doesn't even come from the RU server 

 

 

TL;DR:

American, Soviet, Japanese and British ships flying under Chinese, Taiwanese, Thai, Indonesian and South Korean colors.

[mtm78]

Yeah but no I have to follow one more thread, and I'm already tracking so many

 

The tier X looks nice, Benson with Gearing turrets or something, AAA looks very strong with 18 40mm's. 

[JapLance]

29 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

The tier X looks nice, Benson with Gearing turrets or something, AAA looks very strong with 18 40mm's. 

 

Actually a Fletcher hull with Gearing top (Allen Sumner class). Gearing came later as an enlarged Sumner.

[mtm78]

Yeah I was just linked in another topic, basically it's a Gearing minus 4 meter midsection. But length was never Gearings problem right, it's girth. Girls like girth, but so does BB AP. 

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

32 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Yeah but no I have to follow one more thread, and I'm already tracking so many

 

The tier X looks nice, Benson with Gearing turrets or something, AAA looks very strong with 18 40mm's. 

It is the Allen M. Sumner class DD, the predesessor of the gearing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_M._Sumner-class_destroyer

[anonym_UgMNTuWYVfiQ]

I wonder how it gonna work with the captains.  It isn't like you can take 1 captain from tier 1 to tier 10.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

1 minute ago, Fourbombs said:

I wonder how it gonna work with the captains.  It isn't like you can take 1 captain from tier 1 to tier 10.

 

Maybe it'll be split like how the two Pan Asian DDs are like now?

 

As in lower tier RU (Anshan) and higher tier USN (Lo Yang).

 

Not that excited about it but I can see why WG are doing it as there's a pretty big Asian fanbase out there, likewise with the up coming WoT Chinese TD line that I doubt anyone in EU cares about 

[T0byJug]

1 hour ago, T0byJug said:

 

[ImperialAdmiral]

Probably the most pointless line at this certain point of game development.

 

You can add such fads when you really have no idea and more famous lines/ships to work on 

[dasCKD]

2 hours ago, Negativvv said:

Not that excited about it but I can see why WG are doing it as there's a pretty big Asian fanbase out there, likewise with the up coming WoT Chinese TD line that I doubt anyone in EU cares about 

Being Asian really does't mean very much when it comes to seeing Asian stuff in games, at least for me. I can't see very much of the logic for the Pan-Asia ship line neither am I very interested in getting any of those ships beyond the standard hoarding tendencies. The Pan-Asian line, much like the commonwealth line, is incredibly limited by the fact that their ships will be inherently duplicates of the original producers at least in design. Not to say that those can't make for interesting variations, a commonwealth line with a duplication of the British line with no smoke screen, HE shells, and more standard external plating for cruisers of those tiers would make for an interesting and very easy to make line for WG. That's relatively simple however, on account of how gimmicky the British cruisers are. The Pan-Asian destroyers really don't share that distinction, and therefore I don't understand why they are being made a priority this early in the development cycle save for the fact that they can now probably sell more Lo Yangs. I don't see what they could do to distinguish those ships from their original class leaders.

 

Gun characteristics? They could give the bootleg Benson, Fletcher, and Gearing the shell performance of the Russians, though I can't see that going over well. We really do not need an even harder to hit Kiev. They could also make them worse than the Americans, but that'll hardly endear us to those ships.

Torpedoes? American torpedoes are already best in game so giving those ships better torpedoes is unwarranted. Giving them worse torpedoes however isn't a selling point.

Health? They could give them more health as compensation for worse torpedoes, much like the Lo Yang's set, but that doesn't make sense. How is it that two ships in class with identical design end up with different health pools (or turning circles for that matter? I mean seriously, isn't the Scharnhorst overpowered enough without her cruiser turning circles?)

Maneuverability? Could be done, I suppose. Gearings and Fletchers are quite slow. What will they have to pay for compensation though?

Consumables? Again, possible but what? Give them the smoke and hydroacoustic set of the Lo Yang? Basically create the German destroyers without any of the weaknesses of those ships? Radar? Are you actually insane? Better standard consumables? American smoke is already ridiculous as is.

 

The point is, whilst I will play them on account of me having basically no standards, I can't help but feel like this is a line that has come much too early. The Chinese TDs in WoT is implemented in a game that is incredibly old and already stuffed full of all of the content from the prominent weapon manufacturers of that era. The Pan Asian destroyer lines are implemented before:

1. The French destroyers
2. The British destroyers
3. The Italian cruisers
4. The Italian destroyers
5. The French battleships
6. The Italian battleships
7. The British carriers
8. More Japanese cruisers (CL line?)
9. More American cruisers
10. More American destroyers
11. More British cruisers
12. More American destroyers
13. More British early battleships
14. More American destroyers
15. More American destroyers
16. More American destroyers

Despite those lines having a much more unique variety of designs that won't push the balancing team towards trying to spam consumables where they don't belong. I don't like the way this game is going. I invested what I believed was a long term investment in premium camouflage, premium ships, and a lot of my precious time. I do not want to wake up two years from now to discover that WoWs is out of ideas and out of business and yet the introduction of variations of units with tiny differences to previous units is the signs of a dying game with no ideas left, not an up and coming one.

[Gnirf]

You have also a vast number of navies in Europe with that have lots if interesting ships in varying degree, battleships cruisers destroyers, f.e. Austria-Hungary, Spain, Dutch, Poland, Yugoslavia, Sweden , South american navies etc with original ships also mostly.

[El2aZeR]

This is obviously pandering to the Asian market. Personally I don't mind too much tbh.

 

Though really, 35kn at T9? 34kn at T10? Those things are barely faster than an Iowa.

[mtm78]

 

It's related to these destroyers.... :D

[Kazomir]

16 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

It's related to these destroyers.... :D

This deep water torpedo business is bulshit.

 

This is treating a symptom but not the disease. Also ijn  DDs were meant to counter BBs as they are crap gunboats.

 

Buff ijn torp concealnent and remove sonar from german BBs (you can buff their TDS if needed)

 

Enough gimmicks. Id much rather this asian dd branch to not have smoke but rather radar or a strong sonar. A passive sonar which is always active could also work too.

[mtm78]

It could work, I think. 

 

a. Not restricted to one nation/branch

b. Being able to hot switch between reloads

c. profit. 

 

So let them test it on the platform of this pan asian branch, and if it works implement it on all ( non gunboat?? ) destroyers? 

 

[Kazomir]

45 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

It could work, I think. 

 

a. Not restricted to one nation/branch

b. Being able to hot switch between reloads

c. profit. 

 

So let them test it on the platform of this pan asian branch, and if it works implement it on all ( non gunboat?? ) destroyers? 

 

 

Just like the british single torpedo launch gimmick? I doubt it. WG has a strange fetish of making every line unique its sickening.

[Capra76]

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

This is obviously pandering to the Asian market. Personally I don't mind too much tbh.

 

Understandable, but boring, just a line of copy + paste.

 

On the downside this means there likely won't be a line of new DD until late next year. 

[mtm78]

17 minutes ago, Kazomir said:

 

Just like the british single torpedo launch gimmick? I doubt it. WG has a strange fetish of making every line unique its sickening.

 

Doubt is healthy, I share it as well. But I also have hope....

 

Maybe I'm clutching at straws though, idk.  

[Affeks]

Why are people in this thread complaining about this line being both "copies of existing ships" and "WG wasting time on an insignificant navy".  

 

Basically using existing assets to create a new line requires almost no work compared to model and balance a line of new ships from scratch.

 

This also serves as a testbed for gimmicks without having RN fanboys complaining their fav ships are different from their expectations.

 

Lastly the N-class DD model has be be completed for either the RN line or for a prem ship anyways, so basically time is not really wasted.

 

Usually in a game dev pipeline some branches are left with periods of less work, and now that RN BBs models are done other parts of WG may be free to make whatever this line is while they wait for the next batch of game models are completed.

[Dampfboot]

Problem is with all the DD nerfs, radar, sonar everywhere etc. they need to be either super-op or the Asian fanbase won't have much fun.

Also as a starting line to hook people, I don't think this is a good idea. Way too difficult for beginners.

[Amon_ITA]

6 hours ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

Probably the most pointless line at this certain point of game development.

 

You can add such fads when you really have no idea and more famous lines/ships to work on 

Seconded.

 

This is really sad.