Realistic Camouflage

[SteelMade]

Hello everyone.

 

I'd like to talk about something that bothers me alot in Warships, it's the camo we get as reward from missions etc. In WoT and WoWarplanes we see some nice realistic camouflage but in Warships things are different. Among any realisitc and good looking camo we get as a reward or can buy, we also see some crazy colour mixed camos, making our ships looking like clowns! I don't think someone would enjoy having his ship with that kind of camo and in general, it removes much of the realism which WG is working hard to achieve!

 

Cheers.

[Sams_Baneblade]

Maybe there is mods that change or desactivate those... I think one from the Alsain's modpack removes camos, but it applies to ANY camo.

 

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One sentence bothers me, tho...

1 hour ago, SteelMade said:

..., it removes much of the realism which WG is working hard to achieve!

Sentence missing:

"ONLY applies to 3Dmodels."

[Deckeru_Maiku]

Some historically correct camos would really be nice instead of stuff like "Stars&Stripes", Dunkerques "French Flag" or the many colour variations of "some circular thingy with some other stuff around it"

[zFireWyvern]

There are some members of the community who work hard to provide historical skins for the game

[Major_Damage225]

Ok i know im in the wrong thread probobly, but can WG make a 2016 gamescom cammo option to paste on all ships over the original ones (for the time being that one looks best for me) 

please..... makes cute puppy eyes.  

O. O

[Unintentional_submarine]

I don't know...

 

Do you really want the following?

And what we don't see here is the colour palette used (the grey part was actually lime green, nice eh?). Be careful what you ask for as this is markedly worse than even the horrendous first Christmas camo, FTW or Restless Fire.

Let me just add a few more... Behind a spoiler for your eyes' safety.

Spoiler

I could go on, even the much loved St. Louis had a pretty herrendous wartime camouflage. Want to trade that one in?

Now, I'm fully aware that not every ship had terrible camouflage, but there are two issues. A: It is incredibly subjective what is ugly and what is not. B: There are plenty supremely bad realistic camouflages in terms of pattern and colouration.

So no, you can't leave the 'clown camo', as that was real enough.

[ThePopesHolyFinger]

6 minutes ago, Unintentional_submarine said:

I don't know...

 

Do you really want the following?

And what we don't see here is the colour palette used (the grey part was actually line green, nice eh?). Be careful what you ask for as this is markedly worse than even the horrendous first Christmas camo, FTW or Restless Fire.

Let me just add a few more... Behind a spoiler for your eyes' safety.

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I could go on, even the much loved St. Louis had a pretty herrendous wartime camouflage. Want to trade that one in?

Now, I'm fully aware that not every ship had terrible camouflage, but there are two issues. A: It is incredibly subjective what is ugly and what is not. B: There are plenty supremely bad realistic camouflages in terms of pattern and colouration.

So no, you can't leave the 'clown camo', as that was real enough.

They aren't pretty camo schemes, but I think they are pretty effective at breaking the silhouette of the ship and achieving the "dazzle" effect.

Do I want them?
Nope.

[Unintentional_submarine]

4 minutes ago, DB2212 said:

They aren't pretty camo schemes, but I think they are pretty effective at breaking the silhouette of the ship and achieving the "dazzle" effect.

Yes, but the OP argued that there are crazy camos in the game, but these ones absolutely trump those in eye bleed (which is arguably a positive effect). So when I say terrible, I mean bad looking. The looks are the only actual effect camo really has. The stats are just data that can be good or bad irrespective of the actual looks.

 

By the way, even extremely disruptive camo can look good. Just look at De Grasse.

[Ferry_25]

11 minutes ago, Unintentional_submarine said:

I don't know...

 

Do you really want the following?

And what we don't see here is the colour palette used (the grey part was actually lime green, nice eh?). Be careful what you ask for as this is markedly worse than even the horrendous first Christmas camo, FTW or Restless Fire.

Let me just add a few more... Behind a spoiler for your eyes' safety.

  Reveal hidden contents

I could go on, even the much loved St. Louis had a pretty herrendous wartime camouflage. Want to trade that one in?

Now, I'm fully aware that not every ship had terrible camouflage, but there are two issues. A: It is incredibly subjective what is ugly and what is not. B: There are plenty supremely bad realistic camouflages in terms of pattern and colouration.

So no, you can't leave the 'clown camo', as that was real enough.

Actually I would... If that's the historic accurate cammo that is. And i get it: not everybody likes that. But ingame, the cammo is giving some advantages. Whether it's concealment, dispersion, credit/ xp bonus etc doesn't matter really. I just don't understand why not giving the option to change the cammo's in different pallets. Frankly I hate to see the "rambo colors" on WWI era ships. I do love the cammo on Dresden f.e.

[Unintentional_submarine]

5 minutes ago, Ferry_25 said:

Actually I would... If that's the historic accurate cammo that is. And i get it: not everybody likes that. But ingame, the cammo is giving some advantages. Whether it's concealment, dispersion, credit/ xp bonus etc doesn't matter really. I just don't understand why not giving the option to change the cammo's in different pallets. Frankly I hate to see the "rambo colors" on WWI era ships. I do love the cammo on Dresden f.e.

Since I don't have anything against what I consider ugly camouflage, then I wouldn't be bothered by these either. But the OP was pretty adamant about the 'clown' issue. And you can't say the samples I provided doesn't do exactly that. So we must presume he is against these as well. So I provided a caution, that realistic camouflages would also fall within the category he dislikes, so he should 'beware what he asks for'.

[Blood_Vessel]

There's also game balance to consider. Camo can't be too effective at concealment or visual disruption.

The arcade > simulation aspects of WoWS mean that camos like Missouri's second skin or Henri IV's premium skin are about as effective as I think any will get.

That said, for purely aesthetic reasons, there are many mods available that remove the garish camos, add new historically accurate ones or remove camos altogether. (Check for 'WoWS Mod Pack' or 'Aslains Mod Pack' for example)

 

If you don't like clowns, there are options to suit whatever your preference. Maybe WoWS could incorporate a filter like they have for ARP ships or Bismarck campaign camo to toggle off all camos or even a 'historical' toggle.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

6 hours ago, SteelMade said:

Hello everyone.

 

I'd like to talk about something that bothers me alot in Warships, it's the camo we get as reward from missions etc. In WoT and WoWarplanes we see some nice realistic camouflage but in Warships things are different. Among any realisitc and good looking camo we get as a reward or can buy, we also see some crazy colour mixed camos, making our ships looking like clowns! I don't think someone would enjoy having his ship with that kind of camo and in general, it removes much of the realism which WG is working hard to achieve!

 

Cheers.

Every update I take the camouflages.xml file and changes all camouflages to either a nation specific monotone grey or a two colour scheme matching real camos as much as possible but I usually don't publish them in the mods section.

You should try the same and find som colours you like. It takes between 1 to 2 hours if you change every camo in the camouflages.xml there is.

[ASharpPencil]

Who do you do that?

[Max_Kammerer]

7 hours ago, DB2212 said:

They aren't pretty camo schemes, but I think they are pretty effective at breaking the silhouette of the ship and achieving the "dazzle" effect.

Do I want them?
Nope.

They are real, historically exact and I like them all :), so it's only question of personal preferences - but I think that majority of real historic camos is much better than ingame available schemes...

[Butterdoll]

you are right db2212

I already said that in another topic.

real life vs in game.

 

real life (by db2212)

1 hour ago, Max_Kammerer said:

they are pretty effective at breaking the silhouette of the ship and achieving the "dazzle" effect

 

in game

we can see better a ship that uses cammo, we can distinguish the different part of the ship, it's like someone turned on the lights on that ship, you can aim better. you can hit more often.

it's like aiming assist.

it's useless.

a ship without cammo, works more  like the cammo  in real life.

[SteelMade]

14 hours ago, Unintentional_submarine said:

I don't know...

 

Do you really want the following?

 

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I could go on, even the much loved St. Louis had a pretty herrendous wartime camouflage. Want to trade that one in?

So no, you can't leave the 'clown camo', as that was real enough.

Tbh, i wasn't aware of that amazingly ugly camo! And i won't lie to you, no i don't want that but i won't complain since this was a real camo! Anyway, this is an extreme example of just one or two weird camos and even if there are more, well, why not have the good ones instead? Is that much to ask? Personally, i feel more attached to my ships having a camo that i know it has been used in reality, same with tanks.

In any case, i don't get it why in Warships they did not stay loyal to real camos like in Tanks, at least from what i can remember.

 

[Unintentional_submarine]

Probably because for ships the various camouflages were very much individualised. Meaning each ship had it's own. So each camo would have to be painstakingly created for each ship. There are very few 'generic' camouflages like tanks used. So for instance a camo that was used on tanks need little more than an algorithm, allowing a multitude of tanks to use it and look correct. Consider the camouflages more along the lines of very special individual camo for tanks, rather than the 1944 Eastern front woodlands pattern, as the patterns for the most part didn't exist for ships.

There are some general colour schemes, like the American mid and late war 'Measures', but they were still applied individually, making the same Measure look rather different from ship to ship. And since the patterns were different applying the camo for Iowa to Colorado would look severely out of place (for all I know it might not, they are just off hand examples). I will bet you that there would be people who wouldn't like that at all... So I'm hardly surprised that they have avoided spending resources on an area they will never really sastify their customers.

[Ferry_25]

On 5-8-2017 at 2:37 AM, Unintentional_submarine said:

Since I don't have anything against what I consider ugly camouflage, then I wouldn't be bothered by these either. But the OP was pretty adamant about the 'clown' issue. And you can't say the samples I provided doesn't do exactly that. So we must presume he is against these as well. So I provided a caution, that realistic camouflages would also fall within the category he dislikes, so he should 'beware what he asks for'.

With all respect. I don't care what OP is liking or not. I would love to have all the accurate historical cammo's on the ships. Give WG some imagination for the "paper ships." All I'm asking is different color pallets/ choices for a specific cammo. So everybody can make his (her a.s.o.) choice what he likes best. Ingame the specifics can stay the same. So if the anime/ manga fans like the most excentric colors, let them. I would, again, love the historic colors. That's the main reason I love Emden and Mikasa so much and I actually loath to see St Louis (the US t3 cruiser version) in the "Rambo colors."

[hgbn_dk]

I highly dislike the circus style bright color special camo's, Please to make them plausible of real world counterparts... At least it is now possible to turn off the ARP camo. After all This is a game based on warships, not fire trucks or circus vehicles

[Ferry_25]

30 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

I highly dislike the circus style bright color special camo's, Please to make them plausible of real world counterparts... At least it is now possible to turn off the ARP camo. After all This is a game based on warships, not fire trucks or circus vehicles

As strange as it might sound from me. I actually highly like the ARP cammo. I've done my homework and watched all the ARP movie series. They are ingame actually "historically" perfect accurate. Don't like them? Just turn them off in port hgbn. Oh: off topic: I am SO absolutely in love with your capitol! I think Kobnhavn is one of the most lovely cities I ever visited in my life....

[Kazomir]

On 8/5/2017 at 3:11 AM, Unintentional_submarine said:

 

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I could go on, even the much loved St. Louis had a pretty herrendous wartime camouflage. Want to trade that one in?

 

 I am watching this while drunk and I almost puked...

[hgbn_dk]

It is not the ARP which annoy me the most since those are easily turned off in port... Victory salute, restless fire etc..... is far worse IMHO 

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

29 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

It is not the ARP which annoy me the most since those are easily turned off in port... Victory salute, restless fire etc..... is far worse IMHO 

For me all those special camos are all monotone gray because I altered them

[puxflacet]

+1

 

i know what you mean. however the colors are not the main issue. the way regular/non-premium camos are done is basically wrong because these texture are tiled. thats the main reason why these will never look like a proper naval camo

 

check this thread:

 

[Live85]

To be honest, I wouldn't mind having even the most awful looking multi-color dazzle camouflages. I don't usually look at the camo while I'm in battle, so it doesn't really matter to me. If WG pushed a bright pink camo with interesting bonuses, I'd be fine with equipping it on every ship I use... this is a game, not a simulator.