T8. Losing Money.

[Barney_Wobba]

Hi guys. I have an issue which is rather ruining my fun. I have gotten to T8 in my HMS Edinburgh, I played with the normal camo and upgrades for a while and noticed I was losing at least 50k or more each battle. A friend of mine said the premium camo was worth it so I spent 3000 doubloons and got that. On my first battle, I got a good number of hits in to various ships and capped a base. We won the battle, but I STILL lost 3000 credits. Is it possible my account is bugged and not giving me my premium account bonus?

I noticed I was losing a lot of money, I went as low as 2000 credits at one stage. Obviously I can't keep that up so I am forced to go kick [edited]at the lower ranks and even then  I'm not earning much in my t6 premium Molotov.

This is a shame as I am finding it impossible to progress, and much as I love pewpew'ing at the lower leagues (because I pretty much always do well now I've learned a few tricks) I would like to get beyond T8 and stop being t-bagged by IX & X level ships.

What's going wrong?

[mtm78]

Post screenshots of after battle results please ( detailed results including damage done to which ships ) then people can tell you how and what. 

 

edit: you're doing 17k average damage with your Edin, that is the issue. 

[Mr_Tayto]

Without wanting to start one of *those* conversations, I'd suggest it's because your average damage and xp are very low for Edinburgh (and the previous ship, Fiji).

[mtm78]

Also, with 800 battles there is no need to feel rushed to tier X. Get comfortable with the ships you're going to grind, your performance will increase and you will be a better player when you reach higher tiers ( hopefully, on average people improve with experience, some never do though ). 

 

edit: to clarify, you haven't stopped learning when reaching tier 6, the learning curve goes all the way to tier X. Getting Mino and now knowing how to play her is not going to be as much fun so why not take it easy. Trust me, having a tier X doesn't mean you'll suddenly be a better player ( or get better results due to always being top tier ). 

[Barney_Wobba]

Ok, so I figured out how to find the stats for previous battles and although winning battles helps, as doe the new camo, basically my outgoings and repairs are costing me more than I earn.

 

The problem I find is I swap between ship types and nationalities a lot, and as you know they each have their own preferred play style. I think I have forgotten how to play the HMS line Cruisers. I was being hammered in the Fiji quite often too. Maybe the British line isn't the one for me after all :( I do ok with my Molotov and my New York and my favorite 'lol ship', the St. Louis though.

Might go back to the Fiji for a bit then and get my experience up.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Rolling with Prem is arguably mandatory to save you time higher up. It isn't hugely expensive and pretty fair for the extra gains.

[Gnirf]

It may be wiser to have a premium account and get 50% more credits and XP on every ship to play. As mtm78 says I can only concur with. You will need credits not only to finance your play but to buy new ships, T9 will cost you 20-25 M so you better start collecting credits and for that is T4-6 better especially for new players as poor games does not hurt that much..

[Kruzenstern]

The hard truth is that you are not a very good player. In fact, rather bad. So you don't get good rewards. Which is as it should be. I would recommend you play a lot more battles at tiers 4 and 7 (because those have decent MM) to learn the game before advancing into the horror trip that tier8+ has become. I am not a bad player, but I don't like playing anything above tier7 because of boring meta and/or horrible MM. Tiers 5 and 6 are ok meta-wise, but you also get rather bad MM. WG really needs to do something about those MM issues imho...

[Gnirf]

5 minutes ago, Barney_Wobba said:

Ok, so I figured out how to find the stats for previous battles and although winning battles helps, as doe the new camo, basically my outgoings and repairs are costing me more than I earn.

 

The problem I find is I swap between ship types and nationalities a lot, and as you know they each have their own preferred play style. I think I have forgotten how to play the HMS line Cruisers. I was being hammered in the Fiji quite often too. Maybe the British line isn't the one for me after all :( I do ok with my Molotov and my New York and my favorite 'lol ship', the St. Louis though.

Might go back to the Fiji for a bit then and get my experience up.

 

 RN cruisers are perhaps the most difficult line to play and get decent results in /playing their potential. But that should not frighten you , see this as a challenge but they need to play different. Fiji i s very strong.

I went through T6/7 Leander and Fiji wit far worse damage results than WR , played Edinburg with radar then Neptune with not good performance, but returned to Fiji and made some really good games.

Will play Leander and Fiji more now that I am more comfy with smoke use. Even bought Perth today.

[ColonelPete]

If you cannot brake even with premium camo and premium, you are not good enough.

Some people brake even with F2P at Tier VIII...

[rvfharrier]

2 minutes ago, Barney_Wobba said:

Ok, so I figured out how to find the stats for previous battles and although winning battles helps, as doe the new camo, basically my outgoings and repairs are costing me more than I earn.

 

The problem I find is I swap between ship types and nationalities a lot, and as you know they each have their own preferred play style. I think I have forgotten how to play the HMS line Cruisers. I was being hammered in the Fiji quite often too. Maybe the British line isn't the one for me after all :( I do ok with my Molotov and my New York and my favorite 'lol ship', the St. Louis though.

Might go back to the Fiji for a bit then and get my experience up.

 

Also worth noting is that the RN cruiser line is arguably the least beginner-friendly line in the game. Certainly among just the cruiser lines. Will be worth your time to branch out into other lines, increase your experience in the lower tiers rather than frustrate yourself in the high ones, and then come back to the Edinburgh when you'll likely be better placed to do well and become profitable in it.

 

I'd recommend the Japanese cruiser line personally.

[Barney_Wobba]

I found the Emerald a horrible ship but the Leander I started to really get the hang of, but it is tricky as hell as the ship is squishy and the enemy can just angle and you do so little dps. But the torps are not bad and the utility was good too.

I know I've played some really bad games but likewise I've had some horrendous teams too. I got to rank 10, which was hard, so I can't be all that bad :)

[Barney_Wobba]

1 minute ago, rvfharrier said:

 

Also worth noting is that the RN cruiser line is arguably the least beginner-friendly line in the game. Certainly among just the cruiser lines. Will be worth your time to branch out into other lines, increase your experience in the lower tiers rather than frustrate yourself in the high ones, and then come back to the Edinburgh when you'll likely be better placed to do well and become profitable in it.

 

I'd recommend the Japanese cruiser line personally.

Okay! Thanks :D

[Barney_Wobba]

I got the answer I needed: I suck.

[mtm78]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

If you cannot brake even with premium camo and premium, you are not good enough.

Some people brake even with F2P at Tier VIII...

 

Opening post is confusing, I know he mentions premium account once but he also says he bought the cammo. Somehow I feel he doesn't run premium account just the cammo, on the other hand 17k is really bad... 

 

3 minutes ago, rvfharrier said:

Also worth noting is that the RN cruiser line is arguably the least beginner-friendly line in the game. Certainly among just the cruiser lines. Will be worth your time to branch out into other lines, increase your experience in the lower tiers rather than frustrate yourself in the high ones, and then come back to the Edinburgh when you'll likely be better placed to do well and become profitable in it.

 

I'd recommend the Japanese cruiser line personally.

 

Good point, I'd recommend VMF or IJN cruisers ( both very different styles though but both are equally viable ). 

 

1 minute ago, Barney_Wobba said:

I got the answer I needed: I suck.

 

Need a hug? ( I like the avatar ;) ). 

 

Don't feel bad, it doesn't say anything about you as a person it just says you need to learn about the game a bit. Even the best started out knowing nothing ;)

[FallenOrchid]

High tiers are more expensive, this is intended. To be able to make money you will have to buy premium time, get better results or play some mid tier games to fund your high tier matches. Also some missions will help making money.

[Jethro_Grey]

6 minutes ago, Barney_Wobba said:

I got the answer I needed: I suck.

 

While quite true, there's no need to quit.

 

You really should try to improve in lower tiers 4-6 first before moving up.

And as others have said, the RN cruisers are certainly not beginner friendly. 

 

I think you should division with someone who is rather good at the game, and i'd offer you a few games with me (not that i'm suggesting that i'm good at the game ^^), but since i'm under chat ban (again), there would be no point atm.

 

Anyone else would be willing to play a few games with OP?

[rvfharrier]

16 minutes ago, Barney_Wobba said:

I got the answer I needed: I suck.

 

We all did!

[anonym_u5USg8CcK96I]

19 minutes ago, Kruzenstern said:

The hard truth is that you are not a very good player. In fact, rather bad. So you don't get good rewards. Which is as it should be. I would recommend you play a lot more battles at tiers 4 and 7 (because those have decent MM) to learn the game before advancing into the horror trip that tier8+ has become. I am not a bad player, but I don't like playing anything above tier7 because of boring meta and/or horrible MM. Tiers 5 and 6 are ok meta-wise, but you also get rather bad MM. WG really needs to do something about those MM issues imho...

^^This

@OP,Don't even bother with Tier8+ it's a boring campfest and you have to pay through the nose for the privilege.Your typical T8+ match will be as follows:

 

1) Everyone spawns and huddles around their base paralysed with fear, because nobody wants to be 'that guy' who gets focused by enemy fire.

2) 10 minutes later, out of sheer boredom, one player gingerly moves forward.

3) He gets instantly deleted by the combined salvoes of the entire enemy team.

4) Go back to step 1.

 

The T8+ meta is about as much fun as pulling teeth.Avoid at all costs.

[mtm78]

16 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

Anyone else would be willing to play a few games with OP?

 

Sure, but he'll have to wait haven't played in weeks ( and won't as long as I got the kids during summer break ). 

 

He could jump onto the WG ts as well, or the in game SCRUBS channel ( we are open to guests, don't worry we don't bite but we might lick your windows!

[Blue_Bug]

22 minutes ago, Barney_Wobba said:

I got the answer I needed: I suck.

You don't suck. By posting on the forum you show that you willing to learn. That is more than most of the players.

 

Your batle count is a bit low. So you have not much experience. You can't compare your self to players with over 5000 batles.

 

This seems to be your first tier 8. High tier gameplay is different from other tiers and much more unforgiving.  Especialy in CA. It takes time and experience to adapt.

 

So good luck in your batles.

[Flid_Merchant]

I'd go back to the Fiji, it has plenty of transferable skills to the Edin and is more powerful at it's tier, not to mention more friendly MM. Don't worry about the Emerald but is just a crap ship, but playing Leander or Fiji will help you learn to play Edin, while not rinsing all your credits. Like others have said, RN cruisers are perhaps the least beginner friendly line, but very powerful when used correctly. Also make sure to spec your captain for concealment expert, you will outspot pretty much any non-DD ship in the game, allowing you to choose to fight when the odds are in your favour or flee if they aren't.

[Barney_Wobba]

Hehe thanks everybody!

I have definitely improved and do well at low tiers. I did really badly a few weeks ago when I managed to get to the T6 ships, as I was drinking and playing, which although good fun...ruins the old score :D

 

I have a couple of friends that play, and they are good players, but we are rarely on at the same time :(

I can see how experience really helps, I have learned tons like how to citadel different ships, ammo type choice, exploiting the common mistakes that other players make. But yea, at the high tier I seem to be 'that guy' that gets rekt early, or fails to do much damage.

 

I've got concealment expert oin my Edinburgh. 9km det range at mo which I think is really nice.

[Flid_Merchant]

You won't get much better than that in a cruiser (I think Edin gets concealment module too?). I tended to play it like a large DD, contesting caps and knowing I could outgun other destroyers, and then with full concealment and torpedo upgrade you can stealth torp later in the game. That said, although I felt I was playing better in Edin than Fiji, my stats say otherwise. In Fiji against typical competition you can get away with the odd run and gun, circling BBs and nailing the superstructure with AP shells while their turrets struggle to keep up, this seems much less effective at higher tiers. Neptune is again a huge change of pace and plays much more strategically, but having 8 torps a side, smoke and good concealment opens up new possibilities.

[lup3s]

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

If you cannot brake even with premium camo and premium, you are not good enough.

Some people brake even with F2P at Tier VIII...

 

Or even at T9 or TX

Granted, I only have 1 TX and it's the Shimakaze, but I can't remember ever losing a big amount of credits with her.