new player disappointed ( pls read )

[wot_chikor]

Hi guys .

i installed this game again after playing it in beta 10 days ago , and i liked the game so mush to the point where i have been playing it alot and i managed to grind 3 tier 5s 1 tier6 and 1 tier7 in 10 days,   i managed to finish the entire set of  ( sience of victory tasks ) in this short time . however today i faced a problem that realy realy realy pissed me off and could potentialy kill the game for me . i was in my beloved tier7 DD when i saw a smoke , i closed the distance to throw torps but i noticed i am spotted by radar , what !!! ok i must run fast , but i couldn't  because the dude killed me so fast , and managed to evade my torps he saw them comming ,because he apparently has hydro ,i am new player with little anderstanding of theg ame mecanics , but what ship can have freaking smoke , hydro aaaaand radar. i thought to myself i must look fast to se  what ship it is to try to get asap , its called belfast . but wait , i found it but not in the researchable tech tree , so you are telling me that you ahve an op pay to win product  here also ?

i left world of tanks after 63k games and after having 30 tier10s tanks in garage just because of the ammount of op prem tanks introduced lately , i am not ritch maybe i can afford to buy few prem days from tiem to time but not a prem ship , so just like in WOT  i cant enjoy a fair game if i cant pay , i am so so disgusted WG . 

what you thnk guys , am i wrong , did i miss anything , is the ship not OP and  i just got outplayed ?

[JG4_sKylon]

The Belfast is kinda op if her player is halfway decent. If he knows how to play her good...well.

When playing DDs, i first check the enemy lineup to see if there are radar ships and adjust (or at least try to) my gameplay.

 

Remember: when you can spot the Belfast, she will be able to radar you (if he skilled concealment on his captain).

 

Downside of this ship: anybody and their mothers will focus you down if you get spotted, she has no armor, big citadel and no heal.

 

Edit: ships hidden in smoke are invisible, not invincible.

[Culiacan_Mexico]

3 minutes ago, wot_chikor said:

...its called belfast . but wait , i found it but not in the researchable tech tree , so you are telling me that you ahve an op pay to win product...

Belfast is a tough cruiser for a DD (Japanese) to fight, as it take patients, skill, and some luck.  One of the first things you must do before the game starts is check the opposing team and see what they have... if they have a Belfast, you must modify your game.

 

Is the Belfast OP, I couldn't say, but it sure lives in the same neighborhood.

[wot_chikor]

2 minutes ago, Culiacan_Mexico said:

Belfast is a tough cruiser for a DD (Japanese) to fight, as it take patients, skill, and some luck.  One of the first things you must do before the game starts is check the opposing team and see what they have... if they have a Belfast, you must modify your game.

 

Is the Belfast OP, I couldn't say, but it sure lives in the same neighborhood.

thanks for advice ; i usually only chek what DDs i wil be facing ,  i never worried about cruisers ( radar cruisers ) but now ; i defenatly will .

[Drunken_Jedi]

Yeah when I was reading it I was like "First encounter with a Belfast huh?". She's an OP ship for sure, with all those tools at a players disposal there are few situations where you can catch them off guard. Like others have said always scan the enemy team composition at the start of a game. See who has radar (Belfast, Atlanta and Indianapolis at tier VII) and play according to that. If they're on the other flank you know you're safe from it. You're new to the game so it's natural you get caught off guard by certain ships.

 

For reference, Belfast radar is 8.49km detection which is really powerful when you consider his detection range is only 8.9km. Atlanta shares the same 8.49km radar if I remember correctly and the Indianapolis got her radar buffed to 11.5km in the last update. Know thy enemy and you'll be able to outplay them.

 

I seriously recommend you watch players like Flamu on his Twitch stream or just his commentaries on Youtube. They're very helpful and offer you an insight to the way some people think etc.

 

Good luck o7.

[JG4_sKylon]

If you have time, check out Flamu´s Youtube channel.

In my opinion the most informative channel to learn about the game and how to play it.

https://www.youtube.com/user/cheesec4t

[wot_chikor]

6 minutes ago, Drunken_Jedi said:

 

For reference, Belfast radar is 8.49km detection which is really powerful when you consider his detection range is only 8.9km. Atlanta shares the same 8.9km radar if I remember correctly and the Indianapolis got her radar buffed to 11.5km in the last update. Now thy enemy and you'll be able to outplay them.

 

I seriously recommend you watch players like Flamu on his Twitch stream or just his commentaries on Youtube. They're very helpful and offer you an insight to the way some people think etc.

 

Good luck o7

thank you ,  i just couldn't stan the fact that i have to face other prem pay to win products by WG and i don't even know if i will be intressted in the game if this continues with other ships  . 

and by th way , i did a post before asking for advice and guys sugguested that i watch flamu and i did watch arround 20 - 25 vids of him , an some from Noster also . they were great help 

[ClappingLollies]

7 minutes ago, Drunken_Jedi said:

the Indianapolis got her radar buffed to 11.5km in the last update. Know thy enemy and you'll be able to outplay them.

 

Indianapolis have 9.9km radar now. Des Moines range but shorter duration

[Drunken_Jedi]

Ah ok, I thought it was a larger buff than that. Fair enough.

[Culiacan_Mexico]

18 minutes ago, wot_chikor said:

thanks for advice ; i usually only chek what DDs i wil be facing ,  i never worried about cruisers ( radar cruisers ) but now ; i defenatly will .

I would like to point out that just because Belfast is a good ship... doesn't mean the player is.

 

Radar, hydro, planes as are other aspects of DD play that must be learned if you wish to succeed.  It keeps it interesting.  

 

 

[Prospect_b]

12 minutes ago, JG4_sKylon said:

If you have time, check out Flamu´s Youtube channel.

In my opinion the most informative channel to learn about the game and how to play it.

https://www.youtube.com/user/cheesec4t

Yup, and there you will find one of his vids playing belfast stating it is overpowered as hell.

 

Other ones are: Imperator nikolai at t4, kamikaze t5, saipan at t7, Missouri at t9. Could be I'm forgetting some.

[wot_chikor]

1 minute ago, Culiacan_Mexico said:

I would like to point out that just because Belfast is a good ship... doesn't mean the player is.

 

Radar, hydro, plane as are other aspects of DD play that must be learned if you wish to succeed.  It keeps it interesting.  

 

 

now i watched some reviews about belfast and every youtuber agree that its an OP ship , i actualy dont blame myself of losing to him because he had all the tools to counter me , he ha stealth , protection and view range advantage , over a DD , i cant imagine what he woul do to a slow big BB , no matter how you try to put it , you cant deny thats its better tier for tier than anything else .

[JG4_sKylon]

Just now, PzychoPanzer said:

Yup, and there you will find one of his vids playing belfast stating it is overpowered as hell.

 

Other ones are: Imperator nikolai at t4, kamikaze t5, saipan at t7, Missouri at t9. Could be I'm forgetting some.

Quote from his video:"LUL"... if i remember it correctly.

[wot_chikor]

1 minute ago, PzychoPanzer said:

Yup, and there you will find one of his vids playing belfast stating it is overpowered as hell.

 

Other ones are: Imperator nikolai at t4, kamikaze t5, saipan at t7, Missouri at t9. Could be I'm forgetting some.

i saw jingles videos abou kamekaze R and mizourri , another op ships aswell , but fortunatly i dont remember being hoplessly killed by them

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Belfast is only strong because most players don't know how to counter her.

And a Fiji (regular T7 RN CL) is just as strong as Belfast, so I wouldn't call it pay2win.

(Saipan is pay2win as hell though )

[wot_chikor]

1 minute ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Belfast is only strong because most players don't know how to counter her.

And a Fiji (regular T7 RN CL) is just as strong as Belfast, so I wouldn't call it pay2win.

(Saipan is pay2win as hell though )

odes fiji has smoke , hydrocaustic , aaand the f@&g radar ? i doubt 

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Just now, wot_chikor said:

odes fiji has smoke , hydrocaustic , aaand the f@&g radar ? i doubt 

Fiji has smoke, hydro, heal and torps. Belfast doesn't have the last two.

[Culiacan_Mexico]

5 minutes ago, wot_chikor said:

... you cant deny thats its better tier for tier than anything else ...

There are some better, but not many.  Belfast has some weaknesses that you can exploit.

[Culiacan_Mexico]

4 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Belfast is only strong because most players don't know how to counter her.

She is a  strong ship.

[Culiacan_Mexico]

2 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Fiji has smoke, hydro, heal and torps. Belfast doesn't have the last two.

Fiji hydro and torps are not that great of offensives threats to Japanese DDs... unless they foolishly sit in smoke.

 

Belfast radar is a different matter.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Just now, Culiacan_Mexico said:

Fiji hydro and torps are not that great of offensives threats to Japanese DDs... unless they foolishly sit in smoke.

 

Belfast radar is a different matter.

True.

And radar is kinda useless against BBs that rush into your smoke.

[Drunken_Jedi]

Fiji is a better counter to BB's I think. Her single launch torpedoes will devastate a BB who's trying to push into her smoke if aimed well. Belfast has no real answer to an aggressively pushing BB. You can spam HE and set fires, but you don't have the raw alpha potential a Fiji has.

 

Belfast is the perfect DD counter and she's also deadly to cruisers too. BB's are only really effected hard from long range IFHE spam, but that's more death by a thousand paper cuts than a BOOM YOU DEAD alpha strike :).

[darky_fighter]

54 minutes ago, wot_chikor said:

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Belfast says: "I can see you, you can't see me and you can't torp me. Good luck."

Belfast isn't a balanced ship. So you are right but we have to deal with it.

 

Belfast in a nutshell:

 

[Culiacan_Mexico]

Just now, Commander_Cornflakes said:

True.

And radar is kinda useless against BBs that rush into your smoke.

No disagreement.  I was just limiting my comments to the issues wot_chikor bought up with his Akatsuki in regards to Belfast.

 

[Darth_Glorious]

well, you met the biggest power creep at that tier