[-AP-] Lord_WC [-AP-] Weekend Tester 1,000 posts 8,199 battles Report post #1 Posted July 30, 2017 Seriously, how long does it take to make sure that you don't get 16k damage from one salvo of BB AP? I get it WG you want to cater to the lowest common denominator, but this is getting ridiculous now. You can't take ANY chance not, even a SMALL one because some idiot will delete 90% of your hp. Currently the risk vs reward is seriously f*cked up. You get punished hard for every small mistake in DDs and CA/CLs, while BBs can be a mouthbreathing idiot and still will do okay. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AP-] Lord_WC [-AP-] Weekend Tester 1,000 posts 8,199 battles Report post #2 Posted July 30, 2017 Well, if they wouldn't continuously buff the class that always was the most safe with huge spike damage potential we wouldn't have these threads. Pretty sure WG's solution will be something that hurts DDs even more to fix the issue. Like giving them more armor or a citadel. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #3 Posted July 30, 2017 Hopefully the workload causes the mods to not get to grumpy though, that stuff just backfires. Some forum 'disturbance' to make sure the right feedback is being passed up along the chain on the other hand.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #4 Posted July 30, 2017 Unconstructive, i tell you. But keep them coming, perhaps some devs start taking this srsly... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #5 Posted July 30, 2017 Oh, look. Just two "overpens" at 11-12km. Spoiler Totally balanced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
procrastinatingStudent Beta Tester 506 posts 6,411 battles Report post #6 Posted July 30, 2017 When your overpens do close to or more damage than HE does then there maybe a problem but hey there's no problem guys "working as intended" TM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Streef_ Players 116 posts 3,098 battles Report post #7 Posted July 30, 2017 The fact of the matter is, DDs are not worst off in this regard. This is perfectly balanced, cruisers, BBs and carriers can get deleted and take big salvos, why should it be any different for destroyers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #8 Posted July 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Streef_ said: The fact of the matter is, DDs are not worst off in this regard. This is perfectly balanced, cruisers, BBs and carriers can get deleted and take big salvos, why should it be any different for destroyers. Because DD getting deleted by BB AP is a bit like cruisers or BB getting destroyed by HE, it's the wrong type of ammunition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Streef_ Players 116 posts 3,098 battles Report post #9 Posted July 30, 2017 Just now, Capra76 said: Because DD getting deleted by BB AP is a bit like cruisers or BB getting destroyed by HE, it's the wrong type of ammunition. Not really, if you're going for big pen damage and the DD is actively angling towards you (or is a fat one like a Gearing) it's a good decision to fire AP. I rarely fire HE at DDs in my BBs because of the chance of the pens, especially as most DD players predictably angle away from you when you fire, increasing the chance of it happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #10 Posted July 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, Streef_ said: The fact of the matter is, DDs are not worst off in this regard. - cruisers can survive multiple BB AP pens (and are supposed to get countered by BBs anyway) - BBs survive a [edited]-load of BB AP pens and get heal to mitigate damage - CVs don't care about HP unless they're about to die - DDs get killed by a few BB AP pens, which tend to happen extremely often in high tiers with no means to recover. Especially insulting as it is against a class they're supposed to counter Please, tell me all about how DDs are not the worst off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Streef_ Players 116 posts 3,098 battles Report post #11 Posted July 30, 2017 1 minute ago, El2aZeR said: - cruisers can survive multiple BB AP pens (and are supposed to get countered by BBs anyway) - BBs survive a [edited]-load of BB AP pens and get heal to mitigate damage - CVs don't care about HP unless they're about to die - DDs get killed by a few BB AP pens, which tend to happen extremely often in high tiers with no means to recover. Especially insulting as it is against a class they're supposed to counter Please, tell me all about how DDs are not the worst off. I for one have deleted many more cruisers and battleships than destroyers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #12 Posted July 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, Streef_ said: I for one have deleted many more cruisers and battleships than destroyers. And that matters how? That you can reliably deal huge amounts of damage or straight up delete DDs with BB AP still remains a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Streef_ Players 116 posts 3,098 battles Report post #13 Posted July 30, 2017 Just now, El2aZeR said: And that matters how? That you can reliably deal huge amounts of damage or straight up delete DDs with BB AP still remains a problem. And as a result how is being able to reliably deal huge amounts of damage or straight up delete Cruisers with BB AP not a problem? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #14 Posted July 30, 2017 Just now, Streef_ said: And as a result how is being able to reliably deal huge amounts of damage or straight up delete Cruisers with BB AP not a problem? Because in terms of the game's design a cruiser is supposed to get countered by a BB? You know, fundamental stuff? How can you not know this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Streef_ Players 116 posts 3,098 battles Report post #15 Posted July 30, 2017 Just now, El2aZeR said: Because in terms of the game's design a cruiser is supposed to get countered by a BB? You know, fundamental stuff? How can you not know this? BBs are supposed to be countered by CVs and DDs. They can still get deleted by other BBs. Fundamental stuff, I have to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #16 Posted July 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Streef_ said: BBs are supposed to be countered by CVs and DDs. And yet currently BBs counter both far better than they counter BBs. And with DDs that has a lot to do with BBs being able to do massive damage to them without even switching to the "correct" ammo type. 3 minutes ago, Streef_ said: They can still get deleted by other BBs. Not sure if you have noticed, but all classes are weak against their own counterparts. BBs in fact suffer the least out of all classes when pitted against themselves. I do not believe for a second that you have played this game. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #17 Posted July 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Streef_ said: BBs are supposed to be countered by CVs and DDs. They can still get deleted by other BBs. Fundamental stuff, I have to say. And are they by cruisers? You know, the class they are supposed to counter? So why can BB's counter the class designed to counter them, harder than any other class? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSSHI] Kazomir Players 1,566 posts Report post #18 Posted July 30, 2017 37 minutes ago, Streef_ said: The fact of the matter is, DDs are not worst off in this regard. This is perfectly balanced, cruisers, BBs and carriers can get deleted and take big salvos, why should it be any different for destroyers. Oh please tell me how often a BB gets 50% of its health taken off in a single salvo. Cause it sure aint as often as the other classes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Streef_ Players 116 posts 3,098 battles Report post #19 Posted July 30, 2017 1 minute ago, El2aZeR said: And yet currently BBs counter both far better than they counter BBs. And with DDs that has a lot to do with BBs being able to do massive damage to them without even switching to the "correct" ammo type. Not sure if you have noticed, but all classes are weak against their own counterparts. I do not believe for a second that you have played this game. Cruisers are able to melt DDs with their DPS, as well as cause large amounts of module damage and spot DDs with radar. In my opinion cruisers are still incredibly effective against DDs, more so than BBs because of the reliable damage, however I do accept that BBs are able to get occasional large AP salvos off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #20 Posted July 30, 2017 21 hours ago, Streef_ said: Cruisers are able to melt DDs with their DPS, as well as cause large amounts of module damage and spot DDs with radar. In my opinion cruisers are still incredibly effective against DDs, more so than BBs because of the reliable damage, however I do accept that BBs are able to get occasional large AP salvos off. But a cruiser has DPS which works well against my DD's low hp and high agility, as I can evasion tank against DPM. I can NOT evasion tank ALPHA damage from a single or double BB AP SHELL. If you can't see the difference, I'm lost for further words.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KOKOS] MaxxyNL [KOKOS] Beta Tester, Players 3,418 posts 11,878 battles Report post #21 Posted July 30, 2017 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Streef_ Players 116 posts 3,098 battles Report post #22 Posted July 30, 2017 Just now, mtm78 said: But a cruiser has DPS which works well against my DD's low hp and agility, I can evasion tank against DPM. I can NOT evasion tank ALPHA damage from a single or double BB AP SHELL. If you can't see the difference, I'm lost for further words.. I am aware, and I see the difference, but I am saying that (in my own personal opinion) cruisers are able to reliably deal more damage to DDs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #23 Posted July 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, Streef_ said: Cruisers are able to melt DDs with their DPS, as well as cause large amounts of module damage and spot DDs with radar. What does this even matter? The discussion and overall problem is about BB AP being too effective against DDs, not about how good cruisers are at dealing with DDs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #24 Posted July 30, 2017 Which is their job, so that's to be expected. That doesn't mean the impact of BB AP on DD gameplay right now is balanced. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Streef_ Players 116 posts 3,098 battles Report post #25 Posted July 30, 2017 1 minute ago, El2aZeR said: What does this even matter? The discussion and overall problem is about BB AP being too effective against DDs, not about how good cruisers are at dealing with DDs. That was in answer to mtm78's statement about how well DDs are countered by cruisers, but admittedly has nothing to do with the overall discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
