Fiery_Kathy Beta Tester 1,022 posts 3,947 battles Report post #1 Posted July 26, 2017 Is rigging matchmaking against the game rules or not? A few of my clanmembers have reported several cases of divisions of 1 clan (which will not be named to avoid shaming) ending up in the same team. This is done by counting down and pressing the battle button at excactly the same time, my question here is if it is against any game rules to do this? I've encountered it myself a couple of times too and it is generally hard to win against teams like that. (most of the time it are people who are not particularly skilled in the game so winning is not impossible) Tldr: is rigging MM forbidden? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] WolfGewehr Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 2,844 posts 11,496 battles Report post #2 Posted July 26, 2017 Would be interesting to hear the official stance regarding this. Personally I don't care and counting in is fun at times, though can't remember when did do it last time. Especially when it fails and you end up sinking your friends. Lately I have seen fairly much (failed attempts) of counting in. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] xxNihilanxx Beta Tester 2,018 posts 13,254 battles Report post #3 Posted July 26, 2017 This has been asked and answered countless times. WG's stance on it is that it is fine, they think teamwork in a team game is ok, as long as all play fair and do not try to "throw" the game in favour of clan mates on the opposing team. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLUNJ] bushwacker001 [KLUNJ] Players 2,870 posts Report post #4 Posted July 26, 2017 No not against the rules as has been said before....as long as there is no rigging. edit - ninja'd by the yorkist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] WolfGewehr Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 2,844 posts 11,496 battles Report post #5 Posted July 26, 2017 Ah so it was. Probably have read that stance somewhere myself too when I think about it. Didn't just remember for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EST] Profilus [EST] Players 1,859 posts 35,597 battles Report post #6 Posted July 26, 2017 Guilty, but have been doing it always in a hope we end up against each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLAPP] lameoll Players 1,792 posts 10,834 battles Report post #7 Posted July 26, 2017 dont know why it would be. i understand why ppl do it.most ppl wont try to play the game to win so they take mathers in their own hands. most fail at it tho and are the downfall for their team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #8 Posted July 26, 2017 That is not rigging... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiery_Kathy Beta Tester 1,022 posts 3,947 battles Report post #9 Posted July 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: That is not rigging... clickparty is the "official" name apparently Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #10 Posted July 26, 2017 Rigging the MM is fine as long as you don't talk about it. That's how I read it from WG's replies.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEA] Robber_Baron Players 1,322 posts 7,981 battles Report post #11 Posted July 26, 2017 I know how frustrated it can be. But there is a chance, that two divisions of the same clan count down and get on two opposite teams. I've been in division with people who counted down, and more often than not we got in opposite teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #12 Posted July 27, 2017 Tried doing this and talked to others who did as well, the success rate is extremely low. Even if it was as bad as people make out (which it isn't anyway), it doesn't work reliably enough to impact much. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #13 Posted July 27, 2017 1 hour ago, VC381 said: Tried doing this and talked to others who did as well, the success rate is extremely low. Even if it was as bad as people make out (which it isn't anyway), it doesn't work reliably enough to impact much. Depends on the time of day and the ships you're picking as well. I mean, if you bring tier X CV every time, the chances of meeting eachother will be substantially higher than if you'd bring a typical BB - CA - DD division. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,195 battles Report post #14 Posted July 27, 2017 Actually if you are good player, you are "rigging" your winrate down with countdown... if you have 6 very good players 65% wins... = 2 teams which jump in game at the same time, you get higher chance of getting tougher opponents, right? Ok, you will also get higher chance of getting better allies, BUT with 3×65% players you are about to win most matches anyways, so those extra allies don't really improve your wins much, BUT having them in the opposite team drops your 65% win chance straight to 50% .. right? Think about it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MACLD] The_Xas Players 11 posts 8,963 battles Report post #15 Posted July 27, 2017 Had this happen last weekend. A friend and I were divisioning and entered a game with several divisions of the same clan in both teams. Right at the start one of them announced in the 'all' channel that people not from the clan should leave the match. Off course e would have none of that and we started sailing down a flank only to be deleted quick by their excellent shots. I can only conclude that they were looking for some hot same clan on clan action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenOrchid Players 2,234 posts 20,517 battles Report post #16 Posted July 27, 2017 See this post by MrConway: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue_Bug Players 1,428 posts 7,991 battles Report post #17 Posted July 27, 2017 15 minutes ago, The_Xas said: Had this happen last weekend. A friend and I were divisioning and entered a game with several divisions of the same clan in both teams. Right at the start one of them announced in the 'all' channel that people not from the clan should leave the match. Off course e would have none of that and we started sailing down a flank only to be deleted quick by their excellent shots. I can only conclude that they were looking for some hot same clan on clan action. This doesn't sound correct. The announcement could be seen as intimidation. If the divisions only shoots at non-clanmembers to clear the field for their clan vs clan action it is imho an banable offense of the rules. It all depends on how the game went after that announcements. If clans want some sole clan vs clan action they should install the training room. This smells very fishy ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #18 Posted July 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Blue_Bug said: This doesn't sound correct. The announcement could be seen as intimidation. If the divisions only shoots at non-clanmembers to clear the field for their clan vs clan action it is imho an banable offense of the rules. It all depends on how the game went after that announcements. If clans want some sole clan vs clan action they should install the training room. This smells very fishy ! Need replay though before it 'smells fishy' as I seen way to many salt induced whines about rigging to take anything serious without a replay. And even with a replay, some people think clans rig because they yolo rush last remaining enemy ship and fail..... Also @OP As Conway has said previously, there is nothing in the EULA which prevents timing the queue. Since it doesn't break any rules there, the only way when it would be 'rigging' is when actions in game depict these rigging actions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue_Bug Players 1,428 posts 7,991 battles Report post #19 Posted July 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, mtm78 said: Need replay though before it 'smells fishy' as I seen way to many salt induced whines about rigging to take anything serious without a replay. And even with a replay, some people think clans rig because they yolo rush last remaining enemy ship and fail..... That is your opinion. I have no reason not to believe him, as his story doesn't has any exaggeration in it, or does he accuse the clan of giving the position of ships by TS. His story sounds like a description of facts. Ofcourse the clanmembers can not be punished only on this story. A replay can help to see if there was some kind of game rigging. To me it smells fishy. With that, I'm not saying that there was realy some wrong doing. Although the announcement alone is already (imho) an borderline case. If it smells like roses to you, thats all up to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #20 Posted July 27, 2017 Announcements can be harmless (drunk ) banter. And yeah, there is ALWAYS the need for tangible evidence in discussions like these, as speculation just leads to nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_CsauhrZtDqUP Players 76 posts Report post #21 Posted November 15, 2018 The matchmaking is most certainly rigged and after nearly 5,000 games my stats show it. The fact that Wargaming won't clarify exactly how it works/doesn't work speaks volumes .... but I know one thing ... it's designed to make money and sing their praises. 4 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RAIN] GarrusBrutus Players 3,711 posts 12,557 battles Report post #22 Posted November 15, 2018 @El2aZeR Do it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONUS] Hedgehog1963 [BONUS] Beta Tester 3,211 posts 14,951 battles Report post #23 Posted November 15, 2018 On 7/26/2017 at 8:16 PM, Fiery_Kathy said: Is rigging matchmaking against the game rules or not? A few of my clanmembers have reported several cases of divisions of 1 clan (which will not be named to avoid shaming) ending up in the same team. This is done by counting down and pressing the battle button at excactly the same time, my question here is if it is against any game rules to do this? I've encountered it myself a couple of times too and it is generally hard to win against teams like that. (most of the time it are people who are not particularly skilled in the game so winning is not impossible) Tldr: is rigging MM forbidden? There is no rule. How could there be? When my cal does this we're hoping to be on opposite teams so we can fight each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #24 Posted November 15, 2018 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PP-PP] KHETTIFER Players 348 posts 17,151 battles Report post #25 Posted November 16, 2018 There is no rule against Sync-dropping simply because WG can't do anything about it, even if they wanted to, this isn't the only game where it happens and the policy is always the exact same, make it a non-issue. That being said, you're a d!ck if you do it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
