HSF Harekaze or Lo Yang

[puddlee]

I am thinking about picking up a T8 premium DD for credit farming and fun because I enjoy DDs a lot, which T8 should I consider Harekaze or Lo Yang? Thank you for your answers in advance!

[Zen71_sniper]

Well, you can't pickup Harekaze for credits. Unless you refer to credit card.....

[puddlee]

3 minutes ago, Zen71_sniper said:

Well, you can't pickup Harekaze for credits. Unless you refer to credit card.....

I meant "for credit making". Fixed the original post to make it clear.

[ShinGetsu]

Both are really fun. I got both at the same time and I like playing them both.

They have similar roles actually. Decent AA (with 100mm on Harekaze) that is at least able to kill decently fast a floatplane, good DD hunters, good torpedoes though long reload.

Lo Yang is less stealthy and with weaker torps (or short-ranged torps with high damage, its the one I'm using but you need CE to do that) but got the hilarious hydro consumable with 5.4km range, Harekaze is the stealthiest DD of its tier, and got decent 10km torpedoes. It requires a good 14+ points captain though, for CE and IFHE.

 

Both are very good at carrying matches by contesting caps. Both hate radars, both can't takes a beating but can hunts DD reliably, and both can hurts BB with the guns from inside a smoke. (100mm with AP works surprisingly well on broadsides)

 

I'd say Harekaze is more difficult to master, but have very high potential. Lo Yang is a bit more limited, but on the other hand also easier to play.

[22cm]

I suppose you already have a few good Japanese captains that you can use in Harekaze, if you don t, you can buy a 12 points captain for it, while with Lo Yang you start from zero unless you already have Anshan, but even if you have it, the sets of skills for Anshan and Lo Yang don t match.

[ShinGetsu]

22cm has a point : Harekaze is very useful for training IJN DD captains (especially Akizuki), while Lo Yang is entirely useless on that regard.

[puddlee]

Yeah, usefulness (being able to train commanders) is something I am considering, but fun matters a lot to me since I have limited time to play due to work and family. I enjoy the stealthy spotting/capping (more team play oriented type) and torping DDs but I want a DD that is useful and lately I have read every day how IJN DDs are crap and gunboats are the way to go etc... Honestly, I would buy both ships but I will be a father soon and can't afford too much money spent on virtual goods right now especially after the summer sales, I need to be able to pick one 

[ShinGetsu]

Well, both are pretty equal in that regard.

 

I have to admit I love the short range of Harekaze guns. Killing a DD and then disappearing instantly because you have no other enemy inside your 9.4km range is a really nice feature.

On the other hands there are few things as funny as dropping a smoke 3km from the enemy smoke and then activating hydro. I did that to a Shimakaze today and he never understood what the hell happened to him. xD

 

Both are nice choice, really. Pick one or another, if you like playing DDs they both have very nice features.

 

(Harekaze has to be played with SE, CE and IFHE though, and without IFHE you have to shot AP at everything. That works very well against other DDs as long as they aren't smart enough to angle. IFHE allows you to not care about that at all tho)

[puddlee]

2 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

I have to admit I love the short range of Harekaze guns. Killing a DD and then disappearing instantly because you have no other enemy inside your 9.4km range is a really nice feature.

On the other hands there are few things as funny as dropping a smoke 3km from the enemy smoke and then activating hydro. I did that to a Shimakaze today and he never understood what the hell happened to him. xD

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Well this is the issue for me, I feel like if I pick one over the other I might regret it since they both offer something fun :D

[ShinGetsu]

Well, I went a bit crazy and bought the 50€ Harekaze pack and used the gold inside to buy Lo Yang on my end. (Granted I had 2k unused golds) ^^

[puddlee]

4 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

Well, I went a bit crazy and bought the 50€ Harekaze pack and used the gold inside to buy Lo Yang on my end. (Granted I had 2k unused golds) ^^

 

I spent a bigger sum on the summer sale already so wife will go boom if I do something like that :D

[yankee05]

One thing to think about it, is that I suspect the harakaze will be a one-time exclusive ship, when its gone, its gone for good ( a la ARP ships.)  were as the lo yang has been around for a long time. Just a thought. Can't confirm this

[Zen71_sniper]

10 hours ago, yankee05 said:

One thing to think about it, is that I suspect the harakaze will be a one-time exclusive ship, when its gone, its gone for good ( a la ARP ships.)  were as the lo yang has been around for a long time. Just a thought. Can't confirm this

This is also something to consider. I got Harekaze and it is absolutely awesome. When it comes to Kagero, I never got the feeling that it is more than one trick pony, Harekaze is much more versatile, thanks to the choice of guns. I am currnetly playing it with Akizuki captain (=IFHE) and 100mm guns and it has already surprised many USN captains ;)

[SBS]

I would say pick Lo Yang if you want to be more competetive.

But if you want to just have more fun and different play styles pick Harekaze. With the 3 different hulls with different guns, it basicly is in a way 3 ships in one.

[puddlee]

I would like to thank everyone for the answers it does help a lot.

[T0byJug]

Ok I dont Have the Yo Lang BUT i do have the Benson.. I have the HSF Harekaze and she is GREAT. Buy the HSF Harekaze

[Juanx]

Do you have a high point IJN cap for the harekaze? Then harekaze, my 19 pt akizuki cmdr is at home there.

If you prefer a copy of a US DD, then go ahead, having sonar is nice.

[T0byJug]

9 minutes ago, Juanx said:

Do you have a high point IJN cap for the harekaze? Then harekaze, my 19 pt akizuki cmdr is at home there.

If you prefer a copy of a US DD, then go ahead, having sonar is nice.

I use a 15 point from my Akizuki. she douse fine

 

[cracktrackflak]

Harekaze is very expensive, even as "bronze" (an 8-point captain doesn't add much value).

 

Lo Yang is "only" 8,000 gold, and has been on offer at some big discounts in the past. If you've obtained some discounted gold via another transaction, the you can probably buy Lo Yang at 50% or less of the Harekaze price. In fact, if you've got gold in the game, then it makes far more economic sense to dump it on an in-game purchase, instead of paying extra real cash for the Harekaze.

[Flid_Merchant]

22 hours ago, ShinGetsu said:

On the other hands there are few things as funny as dropping a smoke 3km from the enemy smoke and then activating hydro. I did that to a Shimakaze today and he never understood what the hell happened to him. xD

Except not even using your smoke and just stealing the enemy's.

[beercrazy]

if the smoke nerf comes in then dd play will alter and it may be better to save your cash till you know how dd play will feel for you

[ShinGetsu]

40 minutes ago, beercrazy said:

if the smoke nerf comes in then dd play will alter and it may be better to save your cash till you know how dd play will feel for you

Well, Harekaze isn't very reliant on smoke honestly. I mostly uses it to spam broadside battleships under my gun range or to run away when I'm a bit too focused. I find the speed boost more useful on it (though smoke saves me quite often).

With 5.4km concealment range, I can choose who do I fight and in what conditions most of the time. Only exception are smart CV players hunting and spotting me. Smoke is a useful tool, but not as essential as in a RN CL or a Blyskawica gameplay.

 

Same for Lo Yang actually, the low fire chance makes me mostly uses smoke for contesting caps, coupled with hydro. If anything the issue would be that I often also smokes allies with Lo Yang when I'm contesting caps, and I would have to stop doing it if the change is ever accepted.

 

[beercrazy]

3 hours ago, ShinGetsu said:

Well, Harekaze isn't very reliant on smoke honestly. I mostly uses it to spam broadside battleships under my gun range or to run away when I'm a bit too focused. I find the speed boost more useful on it (though smoke saves me quite often).

With 5.4km concealment range, I can choose who do I fight and in what conditions most of the time. Only exception are smart CV players hunting and spotting me. Smoke is a useful tool, but not as essential as in a RN CL or a Blyskawica gameplay.

 

Same for Lo Yang actually, the low fire chance makes me mostly uses smoke for contesting caps, coupled with hydro. If anything the issue would be that I often also smokes allies with Lo Yang when I'm contesting caps, and I would have to stop doing it if the change is ever accepted.

 

true what you say but when your paying hard earned cash for a ship and a major nerf is coming soon it can be wise to wait and see whats gonna happen before paying out for something you may regret at a later date

[Culiacan_Mexico]

On 7/22/2017 at 7:45 PM, puddlee said:

I am thinking about picking up a T8 premium DD for credit farming and fun because I enjoy DDs a lot, which T8 should I consider Harekaze or Lo Yang? Thank you for your answers in advance!

 Ships on European server
1 week
                          WR           Damage   Kills
HSF Harekaze     52.02%    29,975      0.7
Kagero                 50.69%    31,820      0.7

 

Some odd stats.

[Flid_Merchant]

Lo Yang is a very capable and adaptable ship, considering it can mount Hydro, AA or Engine boost (which isn't necessary with 38kts speed). I don't have HSF Harekaze and therefore cannot speak for it. However Lo Yang is essentially a Benson, so if you are looking for something different, Harikaze may be it.