British Destroyers and more Events

[Anthoniusii]

Now that a British Destroyer has been made and imported to game can we hope a Hellenic Version of it with the long range british torpedos and german main guns and AA ones in October 28th that Greece entered WW2 and HELPED ALL ALLIES?

Also now Dunkirk mission has been succefully created can we hope a similar event of the Evacuation of Commonwealth troops from Crete that could involve British cruisers, Destroyers, German planes and Italian cruisers as well?

WG dev team seams to IGNORE that Soviet Union was SAVED by the Greeks -as Pravda mentioned in 1941- because delayed Barbarrosa campaign by SIX months!

Why WG ignores Greece?

[iJoby]

The Devs Team have done a fantastic job on creating The Dunkirk missions but I doubt they have ignored the Greeks and the fact they contributed a great deal in WW2.

I should imagine the Dunkirk Missions took months to create, designing, constructing and rendering new ships, scenarios, a map, vehicles, planes, etc, and I would love to see more missions like this.

If you have new ideas about a future mission, If I was you, I would create a mission plan with all the details of content as above in bold for that mission and post it on Tech corner or some other Sub-Forum or need be "Gameplay".

And don't forget, Devs only create, manipulate, design what they are instructed to do by their bosses, in some cases with ships, I bet they hate what was ordered to be a final project.

[22cm]

Sorry, but Greece and Crete are not that important, despite your patriotic or nationalist feelings.

Soviet Union was saved by Japan who was extremely dumb in WW2.

[AkosJaccik]

"WG dev team seams to IGNORE that Soviet Union was SAVED by the Greeks -as Pravda mentioned in 1941- because delayed Barbarrosa campaign by SIX months!" - well, that's new! ...to put it this way.

[tank276]

4 minutes ago, AkosJaccik said:

"WG dev team seams to IGNORE that Soviet Union was SAVED by the Greeks -as Pravda mentioned in 1941- because delayed Barbarrosa campaign by SIX months!" - well, that's new! ...to put it this way.

It is not new at all if you study world military history.

Of course all these are scenarios cause you dont really know how things would evolve, if an alternative version of history did take place.

The fact is that "Operation Marita", the German invasion of Yugoslavia and Greece was stalled by both nations for some time, leaving the Germans with less time to complete their objectives on "Barbarossa", before winter of '41-'42 stopped most of the operations.

German invasion of USSR started late June '41, instead of mid April '41 and those 3 months may have made the difference on the outcome of "Barbarossa".

Cheers

[Gnirf]

48 minutes ago, tank276 said:

It is not new at all if you study world military history.

Of course all these are scenarios cause you dont really know how things would evolve, if an alternative version of history did take place.

The fact is that "Operation Marita", the German invasion of Yugoslavia and Greece was stalled by both nations for some time, leaving the Germans with less time to complete their objectives on "Barbarossa", before winter of '41-'42 stopped most of the operations.

German invasion of USSR started late June '41, instead of mid April '41 and those 3 months may have made the difference on the outcome of "Barbarossa".

Cheers

Such alternate discussions are interesting and I have seen some of them, but the question is would the mass distribution of troops etc have been ready that far earlier that some in these discussions have stated - that is not as clear.

 

Likewise what would happened in WW2 if some of Stalins peacefeelers have been accepted, I have heard rhem being discussed but never seen any substantial info on what they were based upon?

But it is always fascinating these What if- stories, not only in WW2 but on other things in history - if that assasination attempt have failed/succeded etc.

[cracktrackflak]

Well, arguably it was the Italians who wrecked the German schedule - by invading Greece, being defeated, and thus forcing the German intervention....

 

We celebrate the Italian involvement by having their sleek, speedy and ineffective Duca in the game.

[Skyllon]

Saved? If anything, what saved them was Mussolini's incompetence...

 

When it comes to Russia, even with all objectives completed by Nazis and Moscow in their hands, it would matter little. Moscow had been in enemy hands before to not much effect. People keep forgetting how big this country is...

[1MajorKoenig]

Another great thread one doesn't need to read. 

 

Tried to but didn't make it past "bla bla bla we are the greatest.,. bla bla bla why Russian ships before our great world dominating navy bla bla bla"

 

Which Navy is it this time? Switzerland?

 

have fun

[tank276]

34 minutes ago, Gnirf said:

Such alternate discussions are interesting and I have seen some of them, but the question is would the mass distribution of troops etc have been ready that far earlier that some in these discussions have stated - that is not as clear.

 

Likewise what would happened in WW2 if some of Stalins peacefeelers have been accepted, I have heard rhem being discussed but never seen any substantial info on what they were based upon?

But it is always fascinating these What if- stories, not only in WW2 but on other things in history - if that assasination attempt have failed/succeded etc.

Facinating indeed, there is a whole "alternate military history" culture that is very interesting, i.e. if the Rebels had won the Civil War would the two world wars had happened etc.

Also a nice sci fi / crime novel called "Fatherland" where the Soviets make guerrila war in the 60s in the Urals where the Nazis have beat them back.

[Exocet6951]

3 hours ago, Anthoniusii said:

Now that a British Destroyer has been made and imported to game can we hope a Hellenic Version of it with the long range british torpedos and german main guns and AA ones in October 28th that Greece entered WW2 and HELPED ALL ALLIES?

Also now Dunkirk mission has been succefully created can we hope a similar event of the Evacuation of Commonwealth troops from Crete that could involve British cruisers, Destroyers, German planes and Italian cruisers as well?

WG dev team seams to IGNORE that Soviet Union was SAVED by the Greeks -as Pravda mentioned in 1941- because delayed Barbarrosa campaign by SIX months!

Why WG ignores Greece?

 

 

Bla bla bla 
I WANT MUH GREEK SHIPS.
 

In all seriousness, instead of whining and antagonizing everything, couldn't you have laid down a proper scenario plan with proposed images and objectives, amalgamated stats for that ship?

I would have been a much better discussion, or rather, it would actually have been a discussion rather than being a whine topic that your precious country isn't being represented yet, and that the developpers have the NERVE of not implementing it at once, despite there not even being some major naval powers of the time represented ingame yet in any significant way.
 

[22cm]

As I said, Japan lost the war, instead of atacking Soviet Union from two sides together with Germany and finish it, brings in the game a new, powerful enemy, United States. Dumbest move ever. Overconfidence at its best.

[Jethro_Grey]

I don't mind new premiums and new OPS or events, as long it doesn't screw the release schedule of new tech tree lines.

 

Also, if aiming was part of a stormtroopers training, the empire would have squished the rebellion long before the death star was completed. Discuss.

[SparvieroVV]

Greece created mud in Russia? 

[BambaZonke]

11 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Another great thread one doesn't need to read. 

 

Tried to but didn't make it past "bla bla bla we are the greatest.,. bla bla bla why Russian ships before our great world dominating navy bla bla bla"

 

Which Navy is it this time? Switzerland?

 

have fun

 

I for one would welcome the inclusion of the Swiss navy as well as those of Czechoslovakia and Rhodesia.

[Butterdoll]

"Sorry, but Greece and Crete are not that important..."

 

Sorry but you don't know what your talking about, Crete was very important, who controlled Crete, controlled the Mediterranean sea, such a huge important piece of land for either side during the African Campaign. (bottom line, oil)

you now , Rommel, Montgomery.

At the time was very disputed, high casualties for either side, a long term siege, extreme famine, etc.

Finally was relieved, by an operation.

Operation substance, The British assembly an fleet , to run the gauntlet of the Mediterranean sea, they faced the Italian navy, the Luftwaffe, some kriegsMarine, etc.

They suffered high casualties, many ships were sunk or heavily damaged, but they manage to slip the supply convoy, enough ships to make the difference.

Other epic tail. 

[Butterdoll]

"As I said, Japan lost the war, instead of atacking Soviet Union from two sides together with Germany and finish it, brings in the game a new, powerful enemy, United States. Dumbest move ever. Overconfidence at its best. "

 

sorry but wrong again.

 

Japan started to expand into the pacific long before the WWII, they took Manchuria in 1933 or 1935 (can't remember now) and since that point  forward they were an important force in the area.(they expelled the British and all, from some colonies)

Meanwhile, the US put some economic restrictions (it's not the right word) and in the same time became a rising power in the area.

Japan didn't had oil and need it a lot of that, and the US had just cut the supply.

Japan didn't manage to sink the four  US cvs, that and a weaker industry (Isolationism philosophies).

you cannot judge the past with the "eyes" of today.

Japan was never close to German, they were only allies of convenience.

despite some tech exchange. g.e,

the v-1 design turned into the okha or cherry blossom, a kamikaze rocket plane, the americans called it baka meaning idiot or fool.

 

 

[SparvieroVV]

A. Crete is not an island ~900km to the west.

B. Axis lost before the war ever began. We can wax poetics all we want, the die was cast before the war even began.

C. Before the Greek brigade gets all uppity this subject has been discussed so many times I will just throw this out there. https://forum.axishistory.com//viewtopic.php?t=57911 Think of it what you will I don't care. My official stance follows basically Cervi and others. Oxi is bs. Whatever Metaxas had hoped to achieve is forever, conveniently, lost to history and the Greeks love to believe a wonderful made up story.   

D. I'll probably still buy a Kondouriotis  class premium destroyer. 

 

Cheers all!

[Gnirf]

21 hours ago, tank276 said:

Facinating indeed, there is a whole "alternate military history" culture that is very interesting, i.e. if the Rebels had won the Civil War would the two world wars had happened etc.

Also a nice sci fi / crime novel called "Fatherland" where the Soviets make guerrila war in the 60s in the Urals where the Nazis have beat them back.

I remember a thriller , may have been from the 70´s that in swedish was called London tillhör oss - London belongs to us may have been written by L Deighton or some other reasonable well known writer at that time. It was London after Nazi invasion and a murder investigation, some growing resistance etc. 

[tank276]

6 hours ago, SparvieroVV said:

A. Crete is not an island ~900km to the west.

B. Axis lost before the war ever began. We can wax poetics all we want, the die was cast before the war even began.

C. Before the Greek brigade gets all uppity this subject has been discussed so many times I will just throw this out there. https://forum.axishistory.com//viewtopic.php?t=57911 Think of it what you will I don't care. My official stance follows basically Cervi and others. Oxi is bs. Whatever Metaxas had hoped to achieve is forever, conveniently, lost to history and the Greeks love to believe a wonderful made up story.   

D. I'll probably still buy a Kondouriotis  class premium destroyer. 

 

Cheers all!

What do you mean Crete is not an island?

And "about 900 km to west" of what are you refering to?

[pra3y]

22 hours ago, tank276 said:

Facinating indeed, there is a whole "alternate military history" culture that is very interesting, i.e. if the Rebels had won the Civil War would the two world wars had happened etc.

Also a nice sci fi / crime novel called "Fatherland" where the Soviets make guerrila war in the 60s in the Urals where the Nazis have beat them back.

 

Don't know if you've read his books before but Harry Turtledove wrote quite a few series on alternate military history, including one where Rebels won the Civil War and WW2 did happened ;) (well the series is separated into 3 time period, the Civil War, WW1 and WW2). 

 

John Birmingham also wrote a trilogy where a modern multinational naval taskforce got sent back in time.

[T0byJug]

15 hours ago, 22cm said:

As I said, Japan lost the war, instead of atacking Soviet Union from two sides together with Germany and finish it, brings in the game a new, powerful enemy, United States. Dumbest move ever. Overconfidence at its best.

your forgetting one fact.. They needed Oil to invade any where.. Something Japan did not have. They needed the Dutch east Indies oil fields. Any invasion of there would almost definitely bring USA in to the war. Japan had 2 choices.. Stop its expansionism or any thought of invading  anywhere of carry on. In order to carry on the HAD to Cripple USA in the Pacific. yes they made the wrong choice they should have stopped.. But an invasion of Russia with out resources also could not happen. 

[Anthoniusii]

Today 28th of Octomber Greece "celebrates" its entrance to WW2 after the Italian invasion. Greece's victory over Italian forces, forced Germany to delay Barbarossa campaign to invade Greece and save Italians. But WG alway IGNORES their WW2 allies! I saw PANASIAN cloned DD line but NO event DD of the Greece that was unique and historical and war active in WW2! Bravo WG for IGNORING history!

[Hedgehog1963]

Oh jesus stick a sock in it.

 

[Cosseria]

I didn't know a Greek DD saved the whole Soviet Union in WW II. You really never cease to learn.