[TUGA] bikler Players 13 posts 33,070 battles Report post #1 Posted July 21, 2017 Thats a crime what WG did to Kabarovsk. 6 km range torps in tier 10 have no use! This mistake is a dramatic shift in the characteristics of the ship and so the captains abilities are no longer optimized! When well played, Kabarovsk was a great ship, now is the weakest tier 10 ship! Until WG undo this mistake, I will no longer play my Kaba! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hateshinaku WoWs Wiki Team, Players, Sailing Hamster, Modder 1,625 posts 2,725 battles Report post #2 Posted July 22, 2017 39 minutes ago, bikler said: 6 km range torps in tier 10 have no use! Right, they don't have an use. You will most likely only use them in a last oppertunity situation. -Khabarovsk doesn't care 39 minutes ago, bikler said: This mistake is a dramatic shift in the characteristics of the ship and so the captains abilities are no longer optimized! Every "skilled" Khabarovsk player will spec into main guns and not into torps, so there is absolutely no need to respec. 39 minutes ago, bikler said: When well played, Kabarovsk was a great ship, now is the weakest tier 10 ship! Again, you don't play Khabarovsk as a torpedo boat. The ship is meant to be played as a large cruiser, it has the best guns of all T10 DDs, it also got the highest speed and it even got Heal. You can just burn down Battleships and gun down enemy DDs. It's still pretty much the strongest DD at T10. 39 minutes ago, bikler said: Until WG undo this mistake, I will no longer play my Kaba! So give me a reason why the ship is much worse now? There's literally no reason to stop playing her because she got a torp nerf... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BK] Hardocky Players 171 posts 8,741 battles Report post #3 Posted July 22, 2017 Russian game-> OP russian ship. WG stop nerfing IJN dd and do something for the kaba!!! Even with your small nerf of the rudder shift, it's still OP!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hateshinaku WoWs Wiki Team, Players, Sailing Hamster, Modder 1,625 posts 2,725 battles Report post #4 Posted July 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, Hardocky said: Russian game-> OP russian ship. WG stop nerfing IJN dd and do something for the kaba!!! Even with your small nerf of the rudder shift, it's still OP!! Oh common stop with that russian bias crap, Look at Belfast, Scharnhorst, Yamato, Kaga, Saipan, Black, Flint and all of that stuff.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TUGA] bikler Players 13 posts 33,070 battles Report post #5 Posted July 22, 2017 10 km range torps, with full concealement, allows to atack without revealing your position. Thats useful when you have low HP, when your outnumberd, to scare enemies and limit their options, etc. I have about 25% kills with torps and 75% with guns, don´t know about damage but shouldn't be far from that. With this nerf, I loose about 25% of my ofensive capabilities! I have the right to have my way o playing Kabarovsk, and more than half my games I become top 1 or 2 best player in team. I was satisfied with that! I'm no super player but I was happy with my performance with Kabarovsk! I use smoke instead of repair. With 6 km range torps I lose many of that and my captain is not optimal anymore! If there is only one way of playing Kabarovsk, thats boring! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,963 battles Report post #6 Posted July 22, 2017 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hateshinaku WoWs Wiki Team, Players, Sailing Hamster, Modder 1,625 posts 2,725 battles Report post #7 Posted July 22, 2017 1 minute ago, bikler said: 10 km range torps, with full concealement, allows to atack without revealing your position. Thats useful when you have low HP, when your outnumberd, to scare enemies and limit their options, etc. I have about 25% kills with torps and 75% with guns, don´t know about damage but shouldn't be far from that. With this nerf, I loose about 25% of my ofensive capabilities! I have the right to have my way o playing Kabarovsk, and more than half my games I become top 1 or 2 best player in team. I was satisfied with that! I'm no super player but I was happy with my performance with Kabarovsk! I use smoke instead of repair. With 6 km range torps I lose many of that and my captain is not optimal anymore! If there is only one way of playing Kabarovsk, thats boring! 25% of your combat capabillities? I don't hink so, usually it's more like 90% potential main battery damage, the rest is torp damage and you won't even loose it completely. I mean you can still use them by getting behind an island and surprising the enemy, sure it's more "difficult" but Khaba is insanely strong even if she wouldn't have torps at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XBGX] _VAMPA_ Players 747 posts 16,618 battles Report post #8 Posted July 22, 2017 2 hours ago, bikler said: Thats a crime what WG did to Kabarovsk. 6 km range torps in tier 10 have no use! This mistake is a dramatic shift in the characteristics of the ship and so the captains abilities are no longer optimized! When well played, Kabarovsk was a great ship, now is the weakest tier 10 ship! Until WG undo this mistake, I will no longer play my Kaba! Ive tested them in PT no matter how strange was to me to aim for good torphits in khaba than shoooting but that DR of just 0.6km is just insane should be nerfed poor bastards even didt undarstand what is happening my personal opinion is that all Flotillia leader class should have 4-5km max range torps with 75+ knots and to punch like Tyson ur not playing khaba with CE &CSM1 right? btw ur kills with torps are 36% thats twisted 1 hour ago, Hardocky said: Russian game-> OP russian ship. WG stop nerfing IJN dd and do something for the kaba!!! Even with your small nerf of the rudder shift, it's still OP!! what IJN nerfing ? shira ? omg that was so unbalanced that was played by all statspadders out there T10 end of the line torpedo boat spams just 15 u want in tier 7 with best concealment in its tier to be able to spam 4x4 woooohaaa and smoke wooooohaaa btw they buffed shima if u didnt noticed or u dont use guns? and that small nerf is so small that is direct nerf to its concealment sterainggears2+3 and its playstile Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TUGA] bikler Players 13 posts 33,070 battles Report post #9 Posted July 22, 2017 14 hours ago, Hateshinaku said: 25% of your combat capabillities? I don't hink so, usually it's more like 90% potential main battery damage, the rest is torp damage and you won't even loose it completely. I mean you can still use them by getting behind an island and surprising the enemy, sure it's more "difficult" but Khaba is insanely strong even if she wouldn't have torps at all. If I knew WG was going to do this, I would invest in diferent captain skils and ship upgrades... thats a fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TUGA] bikler Players 13 posts 33,070 battles Report post #10 Posted July 22, 2017 Thanks all for your replies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #11 Posted July 22, 2017 16 hours ago, bikler said: When well played, Kabarovsk was a great ship, now is the weakest tier 10 ship! Until WG undo this mistake, I will no longer play my Kaba! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hateshinaku WoWs Wiki Team, Players, Sailing Hamster, Modder 1,625 posts 2,725 battles Report post #12 Posted July 22, 2017 43 minutes ago, bikler said: If I knew WG was going to do this, I would invest in diferent captain skils and ship upgrades... thats a fact. Why, what would you change? Did you really go for Torpedo modules or something like that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #13 Posted July 22, 2017 20 hours ago, bikler said: When well played, Kabarovsk was a great ship, now is the weakest tier 10 ship! 20 hours ago, bikler said: now is the weakest tier 10 ship! 20 hours ago, bikler said: weakest tier 10 ship! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TUGA] bikler Players 13 posts 33,070 battles Report post #14 Posted July 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Hateshinaku said: Why, what would you change? Did you really go for Torpedo modules or something like that? No I don't have the torp reload skill, but I don´t have the long range AA/guns. I invested in stealth and some survivability. The ship was not all about guns, before last update, and I was satisfied with that. Got some withereres, high calibers and confederates and was often best or 2nd best in team. Now, almost without torps, this ship is all about guns! My captain is not optimal anymore! When I made choices, never crossed my mind WG was going to do this! That was really a paradigm shift! Just as an example, shimas main strengths are torps and stealth. If WG would nerf shimas guns range, maybe some players would have to invest in the long range AA/guns, so they could use them in smoke, etc! Maybe some would have to sacrifice radio location or other extras! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOZFFVII Players 2,848 posts 5,365 battles Report post #15 Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) On 22/07/2017 at 0:22 AM, bikler said: When well played, Kabarovsk was a great ship, now is the weakest tier 10 ship! On 22/07/2017 at 1:45 AM, Takru said: Agreed with you, Takru. On 22/07/2017 at 1:33 AM, bikler said: I use smoke instead of repair. You're playing the ship wrong. On 22/07/2017 at 11:14 PM, bikler said: I invested in stealth... You're playing the ship wrong. On 22/07/2017 at 11:14 PM, bikler said: Just as an example, shimas main strengths are torps and stealth. If WG would nerf shimas guns range, maybe some players would have to invest in the long range AA/guns, so they could use them in smoke, etc! Maybe some would have to sacrifice radio location or other extras! If WG nerfed Shimakaze's guns, the players would be like "Does it really need more nerfs?" and then wouldn't care because Shimakaze is all about the torps. Just like you shouldn't care about nerfs to Khab's torps and should be playing it as a gunboat. Inb4 someone else points out that Shimakaze is the lowest-performing DD at TX, compared to Khab that is the best-performing DD at TX. Edited July 24, 2017 by Captain_LOZFFVII Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TUGA] bikler Players 13 posts 33,070 battles Report post #16 Posted July 24, 2017 6 hours ago, Captain_LOZFFVII said: Agreed with you, Takru. You're playing the ship wrong. You're playing the ship wrong. If WG nerfed Shimakaze's guns, the players would be like "Does it really need more nerfs?" and then wouldn't care because Shimakaze is all about the torps. Just like you shouldn't care about nerfs to Khab's torps and should be playing it as a gunboat. Inb4 someone else points out that Shimakaze is the lowest-performing DD at TX, compared to Khab that is the best-performing DD at TX. When you say I was playing the ship wrong, you surely forgot that I said that I was satisfied with my performance, being 1st or 2nd best in team in lots of battles! I see that for some people, what matters is to play it right (whatever that means!).... not to win!! If every player plays a ship the right way.... becomes boring, non surprising! I played khabarovsk like a gunboat that has torps.... now I can't! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saltwater_Alligator Players 29 posts 34,797 battles Report post #17 Posted July 25, 2017 both khaba and shira nerfs are correct. i have both oh them. khaba has excellent guns plus 5x2 10km torps are a bit too much. but i think she needs a gun range buff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #18 Posted July 25, 2017 Kebab confirmed weakest tier11 ship Pls buff 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saltwater_Alligator Players 29 posts 34,797 battles Report post #19 Posted July 25, 2017 oh forgot to say a very very very very small buff. like few meters :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] Durin_VI Players 375 posts 50,008 battles Report post #20 Posted July 25, 2017 A Khaba relying on torpedoes and stealth...that's a new one for me. You probably use smoke on it as well? Try playing Khaba without concealment but with rudder shifts plus repair and then rain hell and fire on your enemies. The Khaba is meant to be played very aggressively (perhaps a bit too aggressive by myself...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Teob_ Players 1,625 posts 14,901 battles Report post #21 Posted July 25, 2017 23 hours ago, Captain_LOZFFVII said: Inb4 someone else points out that Shimakaze is the lowest-performing DD at TX, compared to Khab that is the best-performing DD ship at TX. Fixed (highest wr of any ship at t10). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOZFFVII Players 2,848 posts 5,365 battles Report post #22 Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, bikler said: When you say I was playing the ship wrong, you surely forgot that I said that I was satisfied with my performance, being 1st or 2nd best in team in lots of battles! ... I played khabarovsk like a gunboat that has torps.... now I can't! Being satisfied by placing 1st or 2nd on your team? Like, really? How can you not see a problem with that? I get that you are my senior in this game by 8k battles, but that still doesn't mean the game or other players owe you the top of the team lists! How my mentality works: I'm satisfied getting to 6th-7th place on my team "At least I didn't drag my team down" Happy to be 3rd/4th/5th "Yeah, that feels about right" Surprised to get 1st or 2nd "Wow, really, did I do that well?" or "Wow, my team must've sucked bad for me to get to the top!" If you wanted gunboat with torps, you would be playing the KM or USN DDs (or the IJN sub-branch). Even I know that RU DDs are all about the guns and speccing for anything else is wasting your points. 3 hours ago, Saltwater_Navigator said: both khaba and shira nerfs are correct. i have both oh them. khaba has excellent guns plus 5x2 10km torps are a bit too much. but i think she needs a gun range buff 3 hours ago, Saltwater_Navigator said: oh forgot to say a very very very very small buff. like few meters :P Yeah, just nerf Khab's sigma by 3m and done! An extra few metres! 37 minutes ago, Teob_VG said: Fixed (highest wr of any ship at t10). Yeowch. Like I needed another reason to call Khab over powered. Edited July 25, 2017 by Captain_LOZFFVII Adding emoji Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Teob_ Players 1,625 posts 14,901 battles Report post #23 Posted July 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, Captain_LOZFFVII said: Being satisfied by placing 1st or 2nd on your team? Like, really? How can you not see a problem with that? I get that you are my senior in this game by 8k battles, but that still doesn't mean the game or other players owe you the top of the team lists! How my mentality works: I'm satisfied getting to 6th-7th place on my team "At least I didn't drag my team down" Happy to be 3rd/4th/5th "Yeah, that feels about right" Surprised to get 1st or 2nd "Wow, really, did I do that well?" or "Wow, my team must've sucked bad for me to get to the top!" With all due respect, his mentality is fine in that case. For example I am very disappointed when I am not in the top 3. I consider it a failure when I don't achieve that. That's the standard that I hold myself to. You should change your mentality and demand more from yourself. Why would you be surprised that you did well? I am sure you can perform just as well as anyone here. You seem like a reasonably intelligent person (despite your weird inclination for anime ). If you ever need info on ships or a bit of tactical insight, drop me a note and either I or someone from the clan I am part of will happily help you. Now as far as your humbleness and his supposed "seniority", don't worry about it, he has no idea what he's talking about. Number of games don't mean knowledge or even skill. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saltwater_Alligator Players 29 posts 34,797 battles Report post #24 Posted July 25, 2017 the real problem is not range or torps but BBs firing AP on khaba. it hurts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PietroMaximoffTR Players 64 posts 5,712 battles Report post #25 Posted July 25, 2017 Today i destroyed a nearly %70 health Yamato with those torps. That was in smoke and consantre other ship, just open boost and entered that smoke. He couldnt turn guns even. It was a thing that WG hates, destroy a Yamato with nerfed Khaba torps. I hope some of WG staff never read this topic. :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
