[UEN] sjff Players 36 posts 5,085 battles Report post #1 Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) the new smoke mechanics that in the testing right now and its will make smoke Useless we most stop it now and fast 4 more info go to Have you bought Belfast, Kutuzov? if so prepare to be shocked... by SexyCroat this must end here and now Edited July 21, 2017 by sjff 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R-D] SexyCroat Players 734 posts 18,675 battles Report post #2 Posted July 21, 2017 agreed, thats what 19 pages on that thread are all about, make them stop this moronic change.. Btw you linked my profile not thread 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UEN] sjff Players 36 posts 5,085 battles Report post #3 Posted July 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, SexyCroat said: agreed, thats what 19 pages on that thread are all about, make them stop this moronic change.. Btw you linked my profile not thread fix 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,098 battles Report post #4 Posted July 21, 2017 Proteessttttt. If they implement this we need to sam for refund for all smoke having premium ships. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UEN] sjff Players 36 posts 5,085 battles Report post #5 Posted July 21, 2017 1 minute ago, 15JG52Adler said: Proteessttttt. If they implement this we need to sam for refund for all smoke having premium ships. ya but dubbel the money Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tajj7 Beta Tester 1,210 posts 1,486 battles Report post #6 Posted July 21, 2017 What a stupid idea, they introduced a whole cruiser line who basically depend on smoke for the survival and now like 6 months later they are going to basically make that smoke useless? BB baby whining has gone too far, we are getting British BBs with cruiser concealment and radar, but they are nerfing smoke. Great, so it is world of battleships that they want then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEAM_] Dampfboot Players 1,367 posts 11,386 battles Report post #7 Posted July 21, 2017 I just realised my Belfast will be so fu****. Well it was while it lasted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AP-] Lord_WC [-AP-] Weekend Tester 1,000 posts 8,199 battles Report post #8 Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Dampfboot said: I just realised my Belfast will be so fu****. Well it was while it lasted. Why would it be? Atlanta is just fine without smoke and Belfast is a better Atlanta. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #9 Posted July 21, 2017 Smoke will not be "useless", it just means you can't just sit there and farm free damage forever. If a ship relies on smoke to survive, it can still use the smoke to survive, exactly like today, it just means you need to learn to stop firing and accept a bit less damage as price for your survival. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER Players 1,473 posts Report post #10 Posted July 21, 2017 Is this a game changer ? does not sound good at all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillydSquid Players 671 posts Report post #11 Posted July 21, 2017 50 minutes ago, VC381 said: Smoke will not be "useless", it just means you can't just sit there and farm free damage forever. If a ship relies on smoke to survive, it can still use the smoke to survive, exactly like today, it just means you need to learn to stop firing and accept a bit less damage as price for your survival. You've no experience with the Minotaur, you should stop talking about something which you know nothing of, stop trying to apply T7 MM meta of the Fiji to the T10 meta in of the Minotaur as it misses the yawning chasm of reality between the two.If you try to play the Minotaur the same way as the Fiji you'll be focused by every ship in range and obliterated in seconds by massed fire. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N-L-L] peoplescavalry Players 531 posts 13,011 battles Report post #12 Posted July 21, 2017 Like the invsi fire nerf this might be a step in the right direction, gamers will always push the mechanics to find the safe killing meta, like sitting in smoke for the vast majority of a game dishing out damage but barely getting there paint scraped. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] AgarwaenME Beta Tester 4,811 posts 13,808 battles Report post #13 Posted July 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, peoplescavalry said: Like the invsi fire nerf this might be a step in the right direction, gamers will always push the mechanics to find the safe killing meta, like sitting in smoke for the vast majority of a game dishing out damage but barely getting there paint scraped. These ships are amongst those with the lowest survivability in the game. The only direction this will be a step in, is the direction of even more easymode long range far safer BB gameplay. You people really are amazingly clueless. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] AgarwaenME Beta Tester 4,811 posts 13,808 battles Report post #14 Posted July 21, 2017 45 minutes ago, VC381 said: Smoke will not be "useless", it just means you can't just sit there and farm free damage forever. If a ship relies on smoke to survive, it can still use the smoke to survive, exactly like today, it just means you need to learn to stop firing and accept a bit less damage as price for your survival. Every BB has higher survival rates and damage than the mino at t10 Every BB has higher survival rates and damage than the neptune at t9 Every BB has higher survival rates and damage than the edinburgh at t8 Every BB has higher survival rates and damage than the fiji at t7 Every BB has higher survival rates and damage than the leander at t6 Every BB has higher survival rates and damage than the emerald at 5 Tell us which ship has an easy time doing damage while surviving again? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,776 battles Report post #15 Posted July 21, 2017 I'm actually completely in favor to applying those changes for cruisers (and that's coming from someone who you could blame of not playing RN CLs but that owns both Belfast and Kutuzov). However I'm completely against this changes affecting DDs. DDs are the ships that are actually supposed to have the smoke in this game. It's their thing. They're nerfed enough in other aspects (specially if the happen to be IJN ones). The problem is not the smoke. The problem is who has that smoke and the total of ships with smoke available. All this "smokalipse" we have now is caused mostly by RN CLs. You have DDs, with their smoke, ok, that's fine. Then you add a line of cruisers with smoke. And that's what started to cause this 5-10 minutes periods most of the battles that you only see smoke, and that's it. This "smoke meta" started the moment RN CLs were released, if it only was DDs with smoke it would have been bearable as it always was until that point. So yeah, IMO that new smoke mechanic should totally be applied to cruisers, but not to DDs, they don't have to pay (again) for WGs genius idea of "let's add a line of cruisers with smoke, what could go wrong?". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Venatacia Beta Tester 872 posts 5,885 battles Report post #16 Posted July 21, 2017 Is this just like when a lot of the player base said they didn't want RPF skill in the game and WG listened - not. WG will do what WG has always done - their own thing. Maybe WG should just get rid of smoke completely but they will have to come up with new consumables and skills for the ships that have and use smoke. With BB radar coming, it seems like WG wants to get rid of smoke which I can kind of understand. Watched a Jingles vid where the top clans all used smoke to hide in and hide behind Islands which really was boring game play to watch and quite sad that ships became a hide a seek game, not an interesting tactical game of ships. I would be happy (I think) if smoke went but what do you do with the ships that were made for smoke. RN cruiser line was built with smoke in mind and then DDs are now paying the price dearly. Bit late for WG to go changing their minds about smoke as they will upset a lot of players. Screwing ships over that use smoke and then saying "yeah well tuff sh*t" (that's what it seems like) is not the way to go about this. Opening Pandora's box comes to mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[72] mikelight1805 [72] Beta Tester 453 posts 14,842 battles Report post #17 Posted July 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, SHDRKN4792 said: I'm actually completely in favor to applying those changes for cruisers (and that coming from someone who you could blame of not playing RN CLs but that owns both Belfast and Kutuzov). However I'm completely against this changes affecting DDs. DDs are the ships that are actually supposed to have the smoke in this game. It's their thing. They're nerfed enough in other aspects (specially if the happen to be IJN ones). The problem is not the smoke. The problem is who has that smoke and the total of ships with smoke available. For all this "smokalipse" we have now is caused mostly by RN CLs. You have DDs, with their smoke, ok, that's fine. Then you add a line of cruisers with smoke. And that's what started to cause this 5-10 minutes periods most of the battles that you only see smoke, and that's it. This "smoke meta" started the moment RN CLs were released, if it only was DDs with smoke it would have been bearable as it always was until that point. So yeah, IMO that new smoke mechanic should totally be applied to cruisers, but not to DDs, they don't have to pay (again) for WGs genius idea of "let's add a line of cruisers with smoke, what could go wrong?". One would assume you haven't played much in a Neptune of Minotaur? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,776 battles Report post #18 Posted July 21, 2017 Just now, mikelight1805 said: One would assume you haven't played much in a Neptune of Minotaur? 5 minutes ago, SHDRKN4792 said: I'm actually completely in favor to applying those changes for cruisers (and that's coming from someone who you could blame of not playing RN CLs but that owns both Belfast and Kutuzov). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[72] mikelight1805 [72] Beta Tester 453 posts 14,842 battles Report post #19 Posted July 21, 2017 Just now, SHDRKN4792 said: Im confused as to what you are saying? I am not referring to either of the ships you mention. I am asking if you have played the tier 9 or 10 RN CLs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,776 battles Report post #20 Posted July 21, 2017 Just now, mikelight1805 said: Im confused as to what you are saying? I am not referring to either of the ships you mention. I am asking if you have played the tier 9 or 10 RN CLs? I said I don't play RN cruisers (besides Belfast) so no, I don't play Neptune or Minotaur as they are RN cruisers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #21 Posted July 21, 2017 I hope that WG goes through with this change. Enough pussyfooting around stupid mechanics just because changing them will effect game balance. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] AgarwaenME Beta Tester 4,811 posts 13,808 battles Report post #22 Posted July 21, 2017 Just now, Nechrom said: I hope that WG goes through with this change. Enough pussyfooting around stupid mechanics just because changing them will effect game balance. Yes, lets shoot ourselves in the head just to make something change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[72] mikelight1805 [72] Beta Tester 453 posts 14,842 battles Report post #23 Posted July 21, 2017 Just now, SHDRKN4792 said: I said I don't play RN cruisers (besides Belfast) so no, I don't play Neptune or Minotaur as they are RN cruisers. They play very differently to both the ships you mention, as you don't have the range of the Kutz or the citadel placement or size of the Belfast. Also the shell arcs require you to be ideally at 10-12km to achieve a high hit rate. I can tell you now the change to the smoke mechanic will result in both the Neptune and Mino being exceptionally frustrating to play. Both the Fiji and Edinburgh have the ability to bounce the occasional shell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] AgarwaenME Beta Tester 4,811 posts 13,808 battles Report post #24 Posted July 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, SHDRKN4792 said: All this "smokalipse" we have now is caused mostly by RN CLs. You have DDs, with their smoke, ok, that's fine. Then you add a line of cruisers with smoke. And that's what started to cause this 5-10 minutes periods most of the battles that you only see smoke, and that's it. This "smoke meta" started the moment RN CLs were released, if it only was DDs with smoke it would have been bearable as it always was until that point. . Because every team has 5 RN CLs sitting where needed to keep smoke on their entire team.. Sorry but this claim is just nonsense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #25 Posted July 21, 2017 Just now, AgarwaenME said: Yes, lets shoot ourselves in the head just to make something change. And cue the overreactions. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
