Come on Wargaming (Notser's Shiratsuyu rant)

[Zogash85]

In light of the abomination WG have turned the Shiratsuyu into, even mellow fellow Notser has had enough - and I'm with him 100%!

 

 

Come on, WG! Stop nerfing IJN DDs into oblivion because some BB drivers are too stupid to dodge some torps. What is even the point of the Shiratsuyu anymore? Take the reload booster, and you're a slow glass cannon that dies the moment you're detected by every Benson out there, or you're perma-spotted by planes, with no means of disengaging whatsoever. Take the smoke, and you're a flat out worse Akatsuki - fewer torps, longer reload, fewer guns, less speed - slightly better concealment does not make up for that!

 

Enough is enough!

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

I second this. The ship was nice and different. Now it's meh.

[mtm78]

But Tovarish, our glorious PowerCreep™ BBaby-Bingo-Developement-Roadmap™ has decided BB's shouldn't have to dodge so many torps at once without requiring a buff to rudder shift. So in fact, you can tell the mob that this change is actually to prevent having to buff battleships  

[Desteban]

5 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

But Tovarish, our glorious PowerCreep™ BBaby-Bingo-Developement-Roadmap™ has decided BB's shouldn't have to dodge so many torps at once without requiring a buff to rudder shift. So in fact, you can tell the mob that this change is actually to prevent having to buff battleships  

Well not trying to justify that shira nerf but yugumo got a very nice buff to her torp reload booster...

[mtm78]

Just now, Desteban said:

Well not trying to justify that shira nerf but yugumo got a very nice buff to her torp reload booster...

 

Yup, she did. And before she was given the 12km torps as well, so Yugumo is getting buffed in small steps. 

 

And Shira was kinda crazy... but it was also fun. Ofc, the ship performed as well as premiums and for a silver ship that is only allowed when you're a Bismarck..

[Zogash85]

6 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

Yup, she did. And before she was given the 12km torps as well, so Yugumo is getting buffed in small steps. 

 

And Shira was kinda crazy... but it was also fun. Ofc, the ship performed as well as premiums and for a silver ship that is only allowed when you're a Bismarck..

 

That Shira 'craziness' could have been removed by having her boost reduce the reload to 15-20 seconds. Done, no more hard-to-dodge 16 torp wall. Just two 8 torp walls every 4-5 minutes. That's hardly OP.

 

Also, not even Bismarck was allowed to be as good as the premium, that is why they buffed Tirpitz's secondaries to Bismarck levels, making her the overall (slightly) better ship again.

[HotshotJimmy]

I kind of have to play devils advocate here as I know Notser plays DDs more than anything so meh is it a big deal? Lets talk about that Fiji secondary nerf though!  (Plays cruisers...)

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Again I'm glad I boycotted buying perm camo, risk of lol nerf is always there...

[Lord_WC]

Whines about khaba being oppressive.

Whines about WG nerfing shira that is just as oppressive in its bracket.

[Zogash85]

1 minute ago, Lord_WC said:

Whines about khaba being oppressive.

Whines about WG nerfing shira that is just as oppressive in its bracket.

 

Shiratsuyu was strong, but anyone with a brain could use WASD haxx to easily make her a non-issue - I know I sure wasn't afraid of enemy Shiras when driving my own BBs, and when I was driving her dealing with attentive opposing BBs wasn't exactly easy. And when you met a Benson, or even worse, a Fletcher, you had to scram fast or you were toast. She hard-countered the true "oppressive" ship in her bracket  - the Belfast - because she could saturate her smoke enough to make the Belfast captain abandon it or risk death. Now, 8 torps aren't that much of an issue to deal with anymore. Shira was good for her tier, but not because the ship itself was OP like Belfast, but because stupid people can't dodge.

 

Khaba on the other hand is on a whole other level of lol OP! She's a royal pain in the arse for everyone: there's not much you can do to dodge her rail guns, she's so fast you can't reliably hit her at the ranges she can kite you at her leisure, and on top of that she can heal.

 

Nerfing the one into oblivion, while leaving the other to reign surpreme for over a year, that's just bullpoop!

[IsamuKondera]

41 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

Again I'm glad I boycotted buying perm camo, risk of lol nerf is always there...

 

You aren't alone there. Why should I buy prem camos? Outside the Christams convoy mission camos I doN#t have a single prem camo fir silver ships.

 

And I'm glad that it is like that. I still have Shira in my Port but I will sell her in the next couple of days. No reason to keep her afterall. Other T7 things just do the job better. Guess I will use Bellfast as well in the next season and just heras everyone out there. I doN#t have to fear DDs, BBs or CVs. The only thing are other cruisers with radar but hey. As soon as my BB mates get them out of the game it's game over.

 

But having a DD with TRB and Smoke? No.. you can't have something like that because this one might kill a Belfast sitting in smoke right?

 

But thats okay afterall. People paid for it afterall. Noone paid for shira so it's not allowed to perform better then other silver DDs.

 

 

 

 

so yeah. As others said: Take TRB, get into a T9 battle, and cry. When y get into a T7 battle hope there are no other radar cruisers around and also hope that you can get the enemy DD before it gets you.

 

Good Job WG in destroying a fun ship again. But hey. I expect you to reduce the Firing range of Khaba next. Afterall thats the source of the Main dmg... not torpedos unlike shira.

[Unintentional_submarine]

Everyone could see a Shira nerf was coming, and it wasn't necessarily a bad thing. However, the way they did it was not the right way. This was balancing with a hammer, working with clay, where a nice string or looped tool would be much better.

 

Basically Shiratsuyu could have had her special super fast TRB nerf to the slow variant while the ones sacrificing smoke would get the fast one. I doubt anyone would really be mad about that. It would eliminate the 'evil' 16 torp wall. Or they could drastically reduce the torpedo reload itself. A bit like Oggy got. There are many ways this change could have been different, still a nerf, and not crushed the one viable silver torpedo DD against premiums. I mean seriously. Shira did about as well as Leningrad and Blyska. Now why is that? Is per chance because a lot of people kept her around because she was fun (and powerful), people who accumulated more experience and kept coming back to her? You know a bit like the common excuse for premiums is... experienced players sticking great captains in them and rekking face. Well, Shiratsuyu did just that, without being a premium, and that was too much. I would say that says a lot about the premium balance.

 

I expect Shiratsuyu's stats will drop harder than the nerf warrants, because she will lose a lot of her experienced captains (unless the improved cooldown somehow keeps people interested).

[Zogash85]

52 minutes ago, Unintentional_submarine said:

I expect Shiratsuyu's stats will drop harder than the nerf warrants, because she will lose a lot of her experienced captains (unless the improved cooldown somehow keeps people interested).

 

I somehow doubt that... the slowest Tier 7 DD, which can meet Bensons and Fletchers that have the same concealment and every tool in their arsenal to wreck your face if you can't make a quick getaway (i.e. smoke up and RUN in the opposite direction), simply cannot be reliably played with only the reload boost and no smoke. Khaba can do without smoke, she's effin' fast and therefor hard to hit at the ranges she comfortably railgun-spams her opponents. Shiratsuyu cannot. Sure, there'll be the odd games where all your opponents get is a Gnevny that suicides 2 minutes into the battle, giving you free reign with your uber-1337 improved TRB. But is anybody really willing to go through the pain of being the punching bag of every capable DD and/or CV player on the enemy team in all other games? I know I'm not.

 

Farewell, sweet White Dew. It was fun while it lasted. You shall be missed.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Ill be short.

 

WG please consider:

- (debatable) reduced max range aprox (-15% BBs, -7% CLs, -5% DDs) - i just threw in the numbers, some smarter ppl should figure them out.

- slow BBs get better maneuverability lets say speed by 15% or smthn like that

 

Damn BBs need to get dragged in the objective and team play, and not being useless when out positioned.

All of my loses come from BBs who sail into some useless route, end up chasing a single enemy while the rest of the enemy team overcomes the caps.

The game usually ends by points win, while the BBs stay alive. Familiar? 

 

Also balance out the last shira nerf by taking away Belfast slot (radar).

[Dampfboot]

That is what everyone said during the super test, the public test and after the official patch notes came out. WG won't listen to player feedback period when it hurts the BB babies.

[Babykim]

Shiratsuyu - sold it!

[Boris_MNE]

Isn't it easier to remove IJN DD line than to keep consantly nerfing them?

[creamgravy]

7 hours ago, Lord_WC said:

Whines about khaba being oppressive.

Whines about WG nerfing shira that is just as oppressive in its bracket.

 

 

Whines about gimmicks at tier 7.

Whines about removing a gimmick at tier 7.

[Zogash85]

1 hour ago, creamgravy said:

 

 

Whines about gimmicks at tier 7.

Whines about removing a gimmick at tier 7.

 

Having all the tools in one package isn't a gimmick, it's bad game design.

Complaining about WG removing (instead of tweaking) the one strength that made an otherwise sub-par ship viable to play in the first place isn't whining.

 

Tell me then: why should anyone play the Shiratsuyu now that in her only viable configuration (using smoke to give her an out despite her slow speed), she's nothing but an inferior Akatsuki? She just has nothing going for herself anymore. Or am I missing something?

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

Honestly, you should always have to give up smoke for the reload booster. 

 

But I agree that torpedoes need to stay strong in general. 

[Zogash85]

1 hour ago, Ofenkartoffel said:

Honestly, you should always have to give up smoke for the reload booster. 

 

But I agree that torpedoes need to stay strong in general. 

 

That is true for ships that are viable without smoke. Shiratsuyu, being the slowest Tier 7 DD, is not.

[creamgravy]

1 hour ago, Zogash85 said:

Tell me then: why should anyone play the Shiratsuyu now that in her only viable configuration (using smoke to give her an out despite her slow speed), she's nothing but an inferior Akatsuki? She just has nothing going for herself anymore. Or am I missing something?

 

Why do you think Hatsuharu always has better win rates than Fubuki? Shiratsuyu comfortably out spots everyone else at tier 7 by 600m, she never needed the gimmicky reload booster to be good. Pushing into one is often suicide.

 

Torpedoes are the hardest weapon to use, making them more accessible to the average player should be done with fixes across the board, not with a gimmick for one ship.

[Lord_WC]

11 hours ago, Zogash85 said:

Nerfing the one into oblivion

They made you choose between smoke and reload booster. Let's not get teary-eyed over it and get an emotional breakdown. That's not nerfing it to the ground.

[jure_eruj]

"We will do everything to fix the current BB infested meta" - Wargaming

They start doing it by nerfing IJN DDs, adding radar to BBs and making smoke obsolete. Well done, tovarishi, well done.

 

[PzAbteilung]

its nerfed to the ground because akatsuki its now better almost in everything, before shirat was probably OP, now its crap.

But its always has been the way WG balance, never an intermediate solution, always turn somehting OP into totalyy crap