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I was surprised to see that certain ships were not in the game that notice that a few ships that should have been in this game to honor those sailors that served upon and died in battle and probably more recognized than some ships that are in the game at this time.

 

I had an idea about some ship that could be incorporated into the game at if the Dev's are planning on adding more the the games list of updates if not already in the pipeline and as some ships in the game really never saw any battle i wonder why they were in and better known ones weren't .

 

There was a destroyer that though it was a battleship and that was the USS-Samuel-B-Roberts-DE413  for one that came to mind.

Some other USN Ship listed in this link http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-american-warships.asp some are in game others to think about.

 

Also why wasn't the HMS -Ajax-22-light-cruiser or HMS Norfolk even the HMS Ark-royal-91-aircraft-carrier just to menstion a few. 

Some other HMS Ship listed in this link http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-british-warships.asp some are in game others to think about.

 

Not for getting other countries that had war ship fighting in WWII i'm sure there are ships from them that equally would need a place in the game. 

German Ships here. http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-german-warships.asp

Japanese ships http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-japanese-warships.asp

French here http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-french-warships.asp

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They should create make up fantasy ships, much much more then they do already. It's not that this game resembles anything historical anyway with its ultra short 5 to a maximum of 20 minutes game play. It's nice to have some semi historical look alike ships in the game for people that care. But for the rest just be creative with ship design, it's about game mechanics for all I care.

 

It's a 'shoot all red ships game' and in essence not too different from a first person shooter. 

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We don't need more ships. We need some new game modes. RN BB line is soon to drop so I doubt another line will be around the corner anytime soon.

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2 hours ago, Jessa_Doom said:

I was surprised to see that certain ships were not in the game that notice that a few ships that should have been in this game to honor those sailors that served upon and died in battle and probably more recognized than some ships that are in the game at this time.

 

I had an idea about some ship that could be incorporated into the game at if the Dev's are planning on adding more the the games list of updates if not already in the pipeline and as some ships in the game really never saw any battle i wonder why they were in and better known ones weren't .

 

There was a destroyer that though it was a battleship and that was the USS-Samuel-B-Roberts-DE413  for one that came to mind.

Some other USN Ship listed in this link http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-american-warships.asp some are in game others to think about.

 

Also why wasn't the HMS -Ajax-22-light-cruiser or HMS Norfolk even the HMS Ark-royal-91-aircraft-carrier just to menstion a few. 

Some other HMS Ship listed in this link http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-british-warships.asp some are in game others to think about.

 

Not for getting other countries that had war ship fighting in WWII i'm sure there are ships from them that equally would need a place in the game. 

German Ships here. http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-german-warships.asp

Japanese ships http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-japanese-warships.asp

French here http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-french-warships.asp

The list are endless - the question is should you make huge amounts of ships with different names to satisfy some customers - a cheap method probably. Surprised? While I will not debate your example Samuel B Roberts contribution - question is how much more players do you recieve from making that ship? or retention? While f.e. French, Royal Navy and Italian navy are barely started?

I see that you write fighting in ww2 true, i respect that, but for me from Sweden I naturally want a swedish ship to play, we had a few even ships with some interesting features gamewise. We did not fight in ww2 but we are customers to the game. Dutch fought - no ships, Spain did not fight no ships, South American countries some ships. So it is a balance question on how the development should go on. Do you need trees that go to T10 or can you accept that some trees end earlier? F.e. Minor nations trees , German , British battlecruisers (if you do not use too many fantasy ships). Historical value or game value is not always the same.

 

I wish I have had the opportunity to interview them and they had to tell the truth on how they see at these subjects- how they calculate - for a new premium or ship tree for us smaller nations.  

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Hi All that's replying to my idea post thanks for input.

 

Firstly to have fantasy ships is not reality in this game but another game type yes and war gaming like this one needs historical ships if a fantasy WoWs game is needed then maybe the Dev's will consider a fantasy game with say the Titanic with 15' guns or an old paddle steamer with 11' ones maybe comic ones who know maybe the Dev's will make a new game based on what would these and other non battleship be like with guns.

 

As i said there are ship that if can be should be in game if they were in a war battle of either WWI or WWII then most of us would like to play them.

To place a ship in the game that was either never built or never was in a battle is somewhat of a question like what would the ship be like or is it worth putting in the game if it never existed or fought.

 

Those ship from all nations that were in all kinds of naval battles in both wars should be considered or at least the prominent ones for additional content for this game.

 

Those players like "Gnirt" that would like to play their nations warships even if they never fought in the wars i agree patriotism is a good thing but for the uninformed some nations that had no navy to speak of brought ship from other nations or like Britain we had a lend lease quantity of warships from the USA and we even sold ship before the war to Japan and probably most ship will never of some importance will never be in any game of this kind.

 

Though i do think that if new ship are added to the game those of known importance be considered to honour the sailors that sailed or died in battle on, well something for the Dev's to work on at least.           

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9 hours ago, Jessa_Doom said:

I was surprised to see that certain ships were not in the game that notice that a few ships that should have been in this game to honor those sailors that served upon and died in battle and probably more recognized than some ships that are in the game at this time.

 

I had an idea about some ship that could be incorporated into the game at if the Dev's are planning on adding more the the games list of updates if not already in the pipeline and as some ships in the game really never saw any battle i wonder why they were in and better known ones weren't .

 

There was a destroyer that though it was a battleship and that was the USS-Samuel-B-Roberts-DE413  for one that came to mind.

Some other USN Ship listed in this link http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-american-warships.asp some are in game others to think about.

 

Also why wasn't the HMS -Ajax-22-light-cruiser or HMS Norfolk even the HMS Ark-royal-91-aircraft-carrier just to menstion a few. 

Some other HMS Ship listed in this link http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-british-warships.asp some are in game others to think about.

 

Not for getting other countries that had war ship fighting in WWII i'm sure there are ships from them that equally would need a place in the game. 

German Ships here. http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-german-warships.asp

Japanese ships http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-japanese-warships.asp

French here http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-french-warships.asp

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USS-Samuel-B-Roberts was a John C. Butler-class ESCORT DD Slow 24knots only 2 5inch guns and NO Torps. She would not be a good ship at all. About the only place they could put Her is tier 1. She is effectively an American BlackSwan class Sloop. and even there she would be weaker than the other ships.

HMS AJAX was a Leander class light Cruiser  so she is effectively in game. (Wargaming/Real life tend to name a ship class after the lead ship of the class  and in Ajaxe's case that was Leander) 2 times in fact with HMAS Perth and HMS LEander

Lend Lease ships well we have that as well in HMS Cambeltown she was a Wiks class DD and one of the 50 Lend lease DDs the RN got

 

If or When a RN heavy Cruiser and CV lines are relased we  will probably get ships like Ark Royal and HMS Norfolk(county class Cruiser). Incase you are not aware in the next months we get a RN BB line and a German Aircraft Carrier. There are supposed to be French BB and RN/French DD at some point as well

 

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WELCOME TO THE FORUM. And Congratulations on not making your first Post a complaint. as they most often are All in all not a bad first post

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1 minute ago, T0byJug said:

HMS AJAX was a Leander class light Cruiser  so she is effectively in game.

 

WOWS Leander is literally 1943 Ajax in both specs and premium camo.

 

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7 hours ago, Gnirf said:

 

I wish I have had the opportunity to interview them and they had to tell the truth on how they see at these subjects- how they calculate - for a new premium or ship tree for us smaller nations.  

I think they look for interesting ships and also look at there player base. Perth/Ashan/Yo Lang was to give the nations on the Asia Server some local boats that were not Japanese . 

There is a vary Large player base in Poland Hence the Błyskawica being an early ship. Italy as well had a large navy and has a significant Player Foot print  hence the Duca d'Aosta

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9 minutes ago, creamgravy said:

 

WOWS Leander is literally 1943 Ajax in both specs and premium camo.

 

Leander Class Ships are AMAZINGLY pretty lady's

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50 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

I think they look for interesting ships and also look at there player base. Perth/Ashan/Yo Lang was to give the nations on the Asia Server some local boats that were not Japanese . 

There is a vary Large player base in Poland Hence the Błyskawica being an early ship. Italy as well had a large navy and has a significant Player Foot print  hence the Duca d'Aosta

Both Italy and French ships should have made it into the game waaaay earlier than the germans.

Italy still doesn't have a single tech tree and French are eagerly waiting to both DDs and BBs. (though I fear WG will nerf the Mogador and Fantasque class by giving them horrible speed while they were some of the fastest DD of their time)

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2 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

Both Italy and French ships should have made it into the game waaaay earlier than the germans.

Italy still doesn't have a single tech tree and French are eagerly waiting to both DDs and BBs. (though I fear WG will nerf the Mogador and Fantasque class by giving them horrible speed while they were some of the fastest DD of their time)

Why Should French Italian be before Germans

And why not RN also then Before Germans.

The larger the navy (as in more classes of ship)  The harder it is to come up with a tech tree. (USN though large  had few classes of ship.)

German navy was Much more active in both wars than French. OK Italian navy was quite active in WW2

German player base of Wargaming Products is HUGE hence there priority. Also as i said the reason for Błyskawica being in game early Polish community is Large.

Also just look at amount of players playing German ships. They were wanted.

RN was delayed i would think partly due to access to archives (RN Achive is on active navy base) and the huge amount of ships to choose from

 

If you want an idea how Large a community is just go look at Forums

French Forum has  172,537 Posts

German forum has 478,692 Posts

Polish forum has 193,934 posts

English forum douse not count as that gets posts from all over Europe and indeed the world.

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@ T0byJug  thank you i've leant something new in all the info i have know about WWII ships not one mentioned the Ajax as a lender or that i've missed that info anyway it be nice to see in game as well as the HMS Norfolk and as for any other ship/carrier that will be implemented into the game at some point.

 

I thank all other replies to this post and further info on other nations navy shipping as the name suggested the WORLD of WARSHIPS note the world don't that mean the whole worlds navel shipping of the WWII timeline.    

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Just now, T0byJug said:

Why Should French Italian be before Germans

And why not RN also then Before Germans.

The larger the navy (as in more classes of ship)  The harder it is to come up with a tech tree. (USN though large  had few classes of ship.)

German navy was Much more active in both wars than French. OK Italian navy was quite active in WW2

German player base of Wargaming Products is HUGE hence there priority. Also as i said the reason for Błyskawica being in game early Polish community is Large.

Also just look at amount of players playing German ships. They were wanted.

RN was delayed i would think partly due to access to archives (RN Achive is on active navy base) and the huge amount of ships to choose from

 

If you want an idea how Large a community is just go look at Forums

French Forum has  172,537 Posts

German forum has 478,692 Posts

Polish forum has 193,934 posts

English forum douse not count as that gets posts from all over Europe and indeed the world.

RN should also have made it into the game earlier than germans, indeed.

 

And the german ships are mostly played because they are easy to play, not because they are german ships. If Bismarck was as "difficult" as Colorado we wouldn't see so many of them.

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Nonsense comrades, glorious Soviet navy is most important navy of all. In fact, it should have been the first one introduced in the game. :Smile_trollface:

If Wg actually cared for historicity, RN and the Regia Marina should have been the first trees to be introduced after US and Japan. Heck, the RN could have gone in even before them.

 

But, as Toby said, there are other requirements to be taken into consideration... :cap_money:

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1 hour ago, creamgravy said:

 

WOWS Leander is literally 1943 Ajax in both specs and premium camo.

 

 

 

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Nice to see a Leander class RN cruiser in hard reverse trying desperately to get back into her smoke cloud!:cap_look:

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11 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

RN should also have made it into the game earlier than germans, indeed.

 

And the german ships are mostly played because they are easy to play, not because they are german ships. If Bismarck was as "difficult" as Colorado we wouldn't see so many of them.

You missed the Key Point the German Community is one of the largest.  So WG are playing to there Community Sensible really

She douse not deserve it but Bismark is probably about the most famous battleship in the world.  easy to play.. Battleships maybe but Cruisers and Destroyers i'm not so sure.

 

Access to German Archives was probably  Really Easy.. Would not surprise me if they have been in St Peterburg as part of Russian archives since the end of WW2. Those Ruskies did take about everything they could weapon wise at end of WW2. As well as many of the surviving German ships.

 

To Clarify I'm Living in Germany but I'm a Brit. Every RN Prem ship that has been released has been bought the day it came out as far back as Closed Beta. there have been few on this forum clamming more than me for RN ships. But to be Honist i kind of understand the delay.

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6 minutes ago, Spuggy said:

 

 

Nice to see a Leander class RN cruiser in hard reverse trying desperately to get back into her smoke cloud!:cap_look:

Royal NAVY NEVER RUNS AWAY. So if you are moving away from the enemy it MUST be stern Fist. Keeping the bow Pointed at the enemy.Its unseemly to show your stern to your tho..:Smile_izmena: 

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19 minutes ago, Jessa_Doom said:

@ T0byJug  thank you i've leant something new in all the info i have know about WWII ships not one mentioned the Ajax as a lender or that i've missed that info anyway it be nice to see in game as well as the HMS Norfolk and as for any other ship/carrier that will be implemented into the game at some point.

 

I thank all other replies to this post and further info on other nations navy shipping as the name suggested the WORLD of WARSHIPS note the world don't that mean the whole worlds navel shipping of the WWII timeline.    

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Settle down ladies no handbags at down fighting here who's navy came first that is not the issues it's what ships from any nation's navy that had a memorial battle/mention in the naval dispatches or is better known like the Bismarck or the Hood be in the game.

 

If you want to band around who's ships came first or the best i could say but that would be biased of me and we all had good navies it's what what ship did what and where i tried not to leave everyone out in this event and i'm sure even some ships i know will be left out but i'm not complaining i just thought that the well known ship were left out at the start should be incorporated into the game in up and coming patches.

 

I do hope all involved will a some point be happy with whatever new ships we get regardless of nation. 

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3 hours ago, T0byJug said:

I think they look for interesting ships and also look at there player base. Perth/Ashan/Yo Lang was to give the nations on the Asia Server some local boats that were not Japanese . 

There is a vary Large player base in Poland Hence the Błyskawica being an early ship. Italy as well had a large navy and has a significant Player Foot print  hence the Duca d'Aosta

Naturally, but I would (as an accountant at mid managment level) like to know the figures, development cost time /tree/premium, sold units etc to know if I have any realistic hopes, how fast they produce the lines etc.

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Just now, Gnirf said:

Naturally, but I would (as an accountant at mid managment level) like to know the figures, development cost time /tree/premium, sold units etc to know if I have any realistic hopes, how fast they produce the lines etc.

Thats not the sort of info they would give out I suspect

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3 hours ago, Jessa_Doom said:

Hi All that's replying to my idea post thanks for input.

 

Firstly to have fantasy ships is not reality in this game but another game type yes and war gaming like this one needs historical ships if a fantasy WoWs game is needed then maybe the Dev's will consider a fantasy game with say the Titanic with 15' guns or an old paddle steamer with 11' ones maybe comic ones who know maybe the Dev's will make a new game based on what would these and other non battleship be like with guns.

 

As i said there are ship that if can be should be in game if they were in a war battle of either WWI or WWII then most of us would like to play them.

To place a ship in the game that was either never built or never was in a battle is somewhat of a question like what would the ship be like or is it worth putting in the game if it never existed or fought.

 

Those ship from all nations that were in all kinds of naval battles in both wars should be considered or at least the prominent ones for additional content for this game.

 

Those players like "Gnirt" that would like to play their nations warships even if they never fought in the wars i agree patriotism is a good thing but for the uninformed some nations that had no navy to speak of brought ship from other nations or like Britain we had a lend lease quantity of warships from the USA and we even sold ship before the war to Japan and probably most ship will never of some importance will never be in any game of this kind.

 

Though i do think that if new ship are added to the game those of known importance be considered to honour the sailors that sailed or died in battle on, well something for the Dev's to work on at least.           

Well it is just not patriotism, it is sheer profit if you have an audience that plays Computer games a lot, we have a tree in WOT but i do not care about them as I am only interested in ships. Some of our ships are interested gameplaywise and might be interesting to a wider audience, Tre Kronor cruisers with rapid fire guns or the Ansaldo proposal against the German pocket battleships, on around 14000 T with 6-28 in 3 twin turrets. I realize naturally that in the end 1 or 2 premiums or more if a pan-european tree will ever be on the agenda long in the future, but I wish.....

 

 

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10 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Thats not the sort of info they would give out I suspect

naturally not. But they might say it is very long down the list or it is not realistic at all in the near future, we are contemplating your suggestions or some hint in any direction

If I remember correctly the Missouri was introduced after asian support, maybe some fundraising could be done for a premium ship if f.e. enough interest could be made clear. Let us say that if enough interest were made in a certain ship , they will make it and people that wants in pay in advance and then recieve it for free - i do not know just trying to be creative..... 

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25 minutes ago, Gnirf said:

naturally not. But they might say it is very long down the list or it is not realistic at all in the near future, we are contemplating your suggestions or some hint in any direction

If I remember correctly the Missouri was introduced after asian support, maybe some fundraising could be done for a premium ship if f.e. enough interest could be made clear. Let us say that if enough interest were made in a certain ship , they will make it and people that wants in pay in advance and then recieve it for free - i do not know just trying to be creative..... 

That is actually not a bad idea.. Only problem is if said crowd Funding ship is persevered weak. People would claim they were ripped of and demand a refund. But i do like the idea

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