Playerbase and community are more toxic than ever...

[PhantomSailor]

I feel I'm really pissed off and don't feel this community have been better.
It's toxic and abusive AF!
If you carry and like I have many times.. you get reported, karma system sucks.. still.
Can we see a better matchmaking system, better karma system that isn't abused and player reports taken more seriously?
Players are playing so horrible that I'm moving away from this game.....
The amount of useless players are put with skilled players... let the useless players play with each other and make the game great!

CARRY.EXE FAILED

[Kruzenstern]

As the skillgap widens (Not sure if the good players get better, but the 'average' player certainly gets worse and worse, even if that seems hardly possible as they already show all the intelligence of a slice of bread, and that is an insult to most sorts of bread...), the toxicity increases. And while I am no stranger to being toxic myself, I really could do without being shown every match just how much humanity is moving towards Idiocracy and ranting about it. Maybe getting ranked back will help somewhat, at least there I will have to deal with a maximum of six retarded, ignorant and overconfident vegetables instead of the usual ten in randoms...

 

Blink 182 actually made a song about the 10 random *edited*s that me and my buddy are usually stuck with...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SqhSfx2TkE

[PhantomSailor]

10 hours ago, Kruzenstern said:

As the skillgap widens (Not sure if the good players get better, but the 'average' player certainly gets worse and worse, even if that seems hardly possible as they already show all the intelligence of a slice of bread, and that is an insult to most sorts of bread...), the toxicity increases. And while I am no stranger to being toxic myself, I really could do without being shown every match just how much humanity is moving towards Idiocracy and ranting about it. Maybe getting ranked back will help somewhat, at least there I will have to deal with a maximum of six retarded, ignorant and overconfident vegetables instead of the usual ten in randoms...

Yeah, it has become a lot worse over the last 4 months.
I get accused by very low stats players who are around 35% and above Win ratio, and 30k avg dmg.
My stats are if not three times higher then theirs, the community becomes toxic and I too become toxic because of it.
Ranked isn't the solution.. you need to end up to rank 10 or higher to meet skilled players.
Ranked is based upon wins, which doesn't say much until you reach the higher ranks.
The matchmaking should have based upon pure skill vs noobs. Rather wait 3 minutes extra so I don't become toxic. 

[mtm78]

3x35 = >100%

 

That would be really impressive! Time travel I presume? Anyway, ofc the gameplay was more enjoyable with the old player base. 

[PhantomSailor]

7 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

That would be really impressive! Time travel I presume? Anyway, ofc the gameplay was more enjoyable with the old player base. 

I would agree... Something needs to be done and changed, or else this game will die to toxicity and frustration.
Had my biggest carry and tried to win like Rambo.. yet I'm rewarded with players who don't care.

[mtm78]

Thing is you're probably just hitting a 'rough patch' as they call it. SBMM wouldn't really make the game much more enjoyable. The new PVE scenario's are a nice start. Adding something competitive would go a long way if skill based match making really is a thing you'd want. And no, ranked isn't anything near 'competitive'. 

[PhantomSailor]

1 hour ago, mtm78 said:

Thing is you're probably just hitting a 'rough patch' as they call it. SBMM wouldn't really make the game much more enjoyable. The new PVE scenario's are a nice start. Adding something competitive would go a long way if skill based match making really is a thing you'd want. And no, ranked isn't anything near 'competitive'. 

Don't wanna play against bots though and you need a full 7-man if you wanna do PvE at an enjoyable rate.

[loppantorkel]

You wouldn't get good scores unless you had a few potatoes to abuse in the enemy team. Wouldn't we see another whine if this wasn't the case? I think we would. The game is fine, it's being improved over time. Don't blame mm for a few losses. You never make threads those times you potato and get carried to victory.

[PhantomSailor]

56 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

You wouldn't get good scores unless you had a few potatoes to abuse in the enemy team. Wouldn't we see another whine if this wasn't the case? I think we would. The game is fine, it's being improved over time. Don't blame mm for a few losses. You never make threads those times you potato and get carried to victory.

Few losses...... I wouldn't make a post otherwise... I lost 7 games in a row to useless potatoes.
It's really bad! Lost so many games that my 4200+ games lost 1% on my w/l during previous week.
I do potato, but my scoreboard are most in the range of 1-4th place. And I'm not a unicom player......

[iduckling]

Since you are so awesome at this game and everyone else are potatoes, why don’t you just join a clan and play competitive? i.e Omni? They have strict demands of skills, so you should fit right in? Maybe you should teach away your skills more? Start a youtube channel/twitch or dedicate more time on the forum to teach others so they can get better and meet your quality demands?

You see, random will never be a place with only high skilled players due to many reasons. And why this is so darn hard to understand for some,  I will never get.

Not everyone cares about WR or goes self explode if it drops 1%. In fact some players pay no attention to that at all. They just want to sail a ship and fire their guns. They enjoy a beer and a drink sometimes just to have some fun relaxing game play. Some just enjoys a few game when off work and some just enjoys playing during the weekend. Then you have the school children that just wants instant action and jumps around the map like a buzzing bee. And you have the ppl that spends a lot of money on the game, buying their way up to higher tiers faster than recommended.  And you have the players that just plays a game from time to time and not every single day.

These are not the types that goes all in watching hundreds of youtube videos from contributors, sitting nailed to the screen when they are on twitch,  nor read a million threads about tips on getting better. They simply are not that involved. In random you will AND WILL ALWAYS be stuck with all kinds of player skill levels. Failing to understanding this as a player when you’ve been around for a while,  is actually more potato than those bad players.  It’s just how it is, until WG will match higher WR players with only other high WR players. And I don’t see that coming very soon, because then players will (as some stated above here )start whining about how difficult it is to win games.

[Kruzenstern]

I don't think anyone wants to play with only high skilled players. But a basic level of intelligence would be a really nice thing. But currently random is filled with fecal-matter-for-brains people who do things like sailing closely around an island in a BB when the minimap clearly shows the DD waiting for them to do just that, sail their cruisers 100% broadside to the whole enemy fleet, use their jap DDs guns in the endgame of domination when all they have to do to win is hide and stay alive, shoot 100% HE with their high tier BBs, and of couse run away from the caps in Domination as far as possible... And maybe my self-perception as a relatively normal guy is totally wrong and I am actually a fkn genius, but imho not doing those things should be obvious to any human with a normally functioning brain...

I really don't mind losing because the enemy was better. But losing because my teammates make a slice of bread look smart really gets on my nerves...

[morgoroth]

For real, something like 60% of player base are balless snipers. Mostly BB idiots that sit behind and snipe.

How the fk can one keep calm if those idiots stay always behind..btw what's the fun in trying to hit something from 20km+ for 20min???

I don't give a fk about chat bans (an idiotic mechanic, implemented by idiots for idiots, easily abused).

I always ask "team" for support or push if it is necessary and will always use toxic words for camping idiots

[Fat_Maniac]

18 hours ago, Kruzenstern said:

I don't think anyone wants to play with only high skilled players. But a basic level of intelligence would be a really nice thing. But currently random is filled with fecal-matter-for-brains people who do things like sailing closely around an island in a BB when the minimap clearly shows the DD waiting for them to do just that, sail their cruisers 100% broadside to the whole enemy fleet, use their jap DDs guns in the endgame of domination when all they have to do to win is hide and stay alive, shoot 100% HE with their high tier BBs, and of couse run away from the caps in Domination as far as possible... And maybe my self-perception as a relatively normal guy is totally wrong and I am actually a fkn genius, but imho not doing those things should be obvious to any human with a normally functioning brain...

I really don't mind losing because the enemy was better. But losing because my teammates make a slice of bread look smart really gets on my nerves...

The issue is there is no tutorial system, and anybody can buy a big shiney T8 if they want too as soon as they install the game. I've joined a clan to try and learn and improve.

A competitive mode is desperately needed for those that want that sort of thing.

An option on the MM to take the number of battles a player has had into account might help, but until WG address the training issues people will still fail their way up the tiers.

 

[tsounts]

I understand how the OP feels, have had quite some battles like this and even chat during the battle  didn't work because "team-mates'', didn't really want to cooperate. 

1) We were winning a battle (me in my beloved Fiji) this morning, the enemy being 3 ships less than us, and all of a sudden half the teams goes yolo into enemy ships but by sailing one by one into the trap.  I tried telling them to just return to our base to defend and they said, it's just a game, shut up..... Then I got blamed for not playing well (even though I was top in score...) and of course we lost.

2) Mino has been giving me a hard time and just a rough example, yesterday we lost a match where our bbs did absolutely nothing in terms of defense.  Funny to say that me and my mate got 2 kills right in the first 2 minutes of the battle and cleared a cap zone and all our team started being cocky to the enemy on how bad the enemy team was.... Needless to say that all cocky ships died with minimal performance even though that match could have been very easily won since we had 2 out of 3 caps and enemy had less ships....(one mino and one dd)

There are many players that wanna rush to higher tiers (7 and above) without having a clue on how to play their ships or the urge to cooperate with their team and thus we reach the point where tier X BBs are firing HE only, idle near their initial spawn point or hug map's border....

[mikelight1805]

Unfortunately we have found ourselves at a point in the game that most of the potatoes have now failed their way to the higher tiers on more than just one line of ships. I am seeing below average performance in most games now by a higher proportion of players.. These players feel themselves as veterans now because they have been playing for a year, and therefore wont take any advice and feel that their way of playing is correct.

[A_British_Hedgehog]

Ultimately, you hit the Random button; you must expect random teams;  I felt similar frustrations and being only an average player at best meant i also struggled with some teams as I'm not good enough to carry by myself.  I got around this by joining a clan and entering Random battles in a Division; at least I know the quality of at least 2 other team mates and we can at least provide some coordination, ship selection and focused fire to assist the team.

 

Agreed that team battles need reinstating, that at least allows some coordinated team play.  The only way to guarantee a good skill balanced fight is to join a clan to play competitive games; these are the only ways around this atm if Random battles are not providing the experience you desire.

[mtm78]

2 hours ago, mikelight1805 said:

These players feel themselves as veterans now because they have been playing for a year, and therefore wont take any advice and feel that their way of playing is correct.

 

This this this this this and this 

 

They are content with the results they are getting, attributing to those who do better to be either 'lucky' or 'cheating' in some way since they themselves are obviously not bad players with their vast experience. Thus when they potato and someone argues with them about it, they have this incredible ability to dismiss any critique automatically without the requirement of logical thought processes. It is once said that this phenomenon is in some way related to Dunning-Kruger, but there is a large group of BB players which has been vocally opposing this proposition and in turn forward their notion that battleships are currently mostly underpowered compared to cruisers and destroyers, and especially against carriers. Their favorite moto hence is: make BB's great again  

 

Against most design concepts known to the development world, this one group of well fattened cash cows actually does not believe that a healthy class balance is required for longevity and enjoyable gameplay for all players as opposed to mostly one group, themselves. 

 

The third group of players consist of those who believe carriers are the artillery of World of Warships, an addition which shouldn't have made it past the drawing board. They loath the fact that carriers force fleet movement, as they without hesitation point out how random battles in an online game do not allow for people using the well known skill enhancement tweak called 'teamwork' as everyone besides themselves lack the ability to utilize this amazing thing called brain.exe.

 

brain.exe is a special kind of thing for lots of players, that isn't even reserved to bad players it's also modest to good one's which just have something called brainfart.com. I myself am no stranger to those.

 

But ideally brain.exe will enable players to fully utilize this thing called minimap.hack ( make it BIGGER dummy! ) thus increasing their situational awareness. This increment will hopefully limit the frequency of one turning pink due to team killing people with torpedoes either directly or even indirectly due to forcing people to evade, turn around and shoot at you until all their damage is reflected on them and they kill themselves in a rage of furry 

 

So, the TL:DR version -> forcefully upgrade the wetware connected to the servers with brain.exe will definitely remove 99,9999999% of any toxicity connected to the game 

 

Spoiler

sarcasm might be present  

 

[Fat_Maniac]

34 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

But ideally brain.exe will enable players to fully utilize this thing called minimap.hack ( make it BIGGER dummy! ) thus increasing their situational awareness. This increment will hopefully limit the frequency of one turning pink due to team killing people with torpedoes either directly or even indirectly due to forcing people to evade, turn around and shoot at you until all their damage is reflected on them and they kill themselves in a rage of furry 

 

 O hell yes. The minimap is my biggest friend in the game. I'd love to be able to undock it and run it full screen on my second monitor.

 

The more I play the more strategy I see is needed. I cant help but compare battles to a speed chess game, positioning and strategy are key to winning on a consist basis. The only difference is instead of two players each chess piece is controlled by a player, some have brain.exe installed, some don't and some are in desperate need of a CPU and memory upgrade to improve performance. 

[mtm78]

Just now, Fat_Maniac said:

I'd love to be able to undock it and run it full screen on my second monitor.

 

When I played WoT this was my biggest wish already. I like the map as big as possible but I don't want it to obscure to much of my view. 

 

Ofc we have transparent minimap setting ect but it's still so much better if there was a 3'rd party program which worked with a mod for WoWs which just copies minimap output to a secondary screen 

[mikelight1805]

Play CV. you can play the whole match in map view!

[Fat_Maniac]

1 minute ago, mikelight1805 said:

Play CV. you can play the whole match in map view!

Looks more like an RTS and I'll play C&C if I want that. Plus I'm actually a huge CV fanboy. Back in the day I used to play Avalon Hills Flattop board game, simply the best CVV air ops game of its day. UNtil WG can let me do with planes and CV's what I could in there I can't bring myself to play the heavily watered down class we have in WOWS. And WG cant give us that because CV's would smash every other class out of the battle. 

[mtm78]

6 minutes ago, mikelight1805 said:

Play CV. you can play the whole match in map view!

 

ps. No offense to players favoring them, or pretending to be humans and playing them. 

[mikelight1805]

Maybe its time to add Oliver age 24's classic song "I am potato" to the games sound track.

[mtm78]

You mean flamu's theme song  

 

 

 

ps: nice new forum doesn't make thumbnails from YT links, I r8 8/8 

[mikelight1805]

yes, that's the very thing i was thinking of