Is Jean Bart really the best option for a Tier VIII premium French battleship?

[ImperialAdmiral]

As topic says. 

Is she really the best choice for a premium? Maybe a better option would be one of the unfinished French battleships like Clemenceau or Gascogne which featured different gun layout. Personally I would like to see Gascogne as premium.

 

 

[Exocet6951]

That sounds like one of those ships that would have worked IRL (potentially), but an A-X turret configuration in this game at tier8?

Ouch

 

Add to that large, exposed 152mm secondaries barbettes that scream "regular penetration", and it would probably be a disaster.

[ImperialAdmiral]

That sounds like one of those ships that would have worked IRL (potentially), but an A-X turret configuration in this game at tier8?

Ouch

 

Add to that large, exposed 152mm secondaries barbettes that scream "regular penetration", and it would probably be a disaster.

 

Noone said it has to be easy to play ship. A little bit of challange will make this ship more fun to play.

Probably 

[Exocet6951]

 

Noone said it has to be easy to play ship. A little bit of challange will make this ship more fun to play.

Probably 

 

Maybe with nerfed attributes as a tier7?

None of the 152mm working as AA in order to keep it down, a 25mm bow, and dubious accuracy so it doesn't do too much carnage.

 

I wouldn't bet on it being particularily popular 

[Comrad_StaIin]

It has 8 powerful 38cm guns where is the problem in the A-X config?

[ImperialAdmiral]

 

Maybe with nerfed attributes as a tier7?

None of the 152mm working as AA in order to keep it down, a 25mm bow, and dubious accuracy so it doesn't do too much carnage.

 

I wouldn't bet on it being particularily popular 

 

It is still a Richelieu with different gun layout, more seconday guns and French AA systems so Tier VIII should be ok.

Inb4 Richelieu ends up as Tier VII in the regular tech tree. 

[Exocet6951]

It has 8 powerful 38cm guns where is the problem in the A-X config?

 

Well it's rather simple really.

 

Look at the other tier 8s.

NC can angle sufficiently to use all 9 guns and still have time to get back in at a safe angle.

Same for the Amagi, which also has the advantage of great turtleback, making it extremely safe.

Bismarck is trickier, but the turtleback and good turning makes it a bit safer.

The future high tier Italian BBs will have a 9 gun A-B-X layout with the same advantages as the NC.

 

 

This one?

Unless you angle at 45 degrees, all you have is one quad turret. You couldn't even time or spread out your salvo.

If you angle too much, you show nice flat all-or-nothing belt.

In short, you would combine all the disadvantages of tier8s, and stick it into one ship.

 

 

 

 

It is still a Richelieu with different gun layout, more seconday guns and French AA systems so Tier VIII should be ok.

Inb4 Richelieu ends up as Tier VII in the regular tech tree. 

 

 

It's different for the Richelieu, because it can safely show all 8 guns at all times.

The Gascogne would, in my opinion, only have 4 usuable guns.

[ShinGetsu]

Jean Bart is more interesting from an historical point of view. As long as we get a Richelieu in the standard tech tree of course.

Also as Exocet said, this A-X configuration would be horrible to play at tier 8. It may be ok as a tier 7 with sufficient nerfs, but in tier 8 it just can't fight anything without exposing huge weaknesses.

 

And I don't see the point of the Clemenceau compared to Richelieu or Jean Bart. It didn't even exist, so at least go for one of the two that were present during the war...

[Affeks]

Jean Bart 1955 AA:

 

12x2 100mm, 178dps@5 km

14x2 57mm, 357dps@4.5 km

20x1 20mm, 72dps@2km

 

This would be the best BB AA in the game by far. This is kind of dps is so high it would be difficult to balance in game. These values are all based on what AA dps these guns have in the game already. 

 

IDK personally I would say

Jean Bart - Tier 9 Premium, (needs buffs in a lot of areas if this happens)

Richelieu - Tier 8 Tech tree

Clemenceau - Tier 8 Premium

Goscogne - Tier 7 Premium, (quad turrets would have terrible angles, would have to expose lots of broadside to fire all guns. Better to be nerfed for tier 7)

I dont expect this to happen, but this would be the way to include all the variants while also spreading them to as many tiers as possible.

[ShinGetsu]

You're not obligated to give Jean Bart the 1955 AA refit. The 57mm are indeed way too powerful. I think a WW2 fitting would be better.

[Affeks]

You're not obligated to give Jean Bart the 1955 AA refit. The 57mm are indeed way too powerful. I think a WW2 fitting would be better.

 

Wouldn't they have to make up one?

 

I dunno I really want the 1955 refit, it wouldn't really be Jean Bart without it.

[22cm]

Now, why would we need a tier 8 premium French BB?!

 

There is Dunkerque at tier 6 as a captain retrainer. Tier 8 MM is not much better than tier 6.

[Mr_Mistery]

the jean bart with better the regular tree and the stock hull is the "if happen when finish in the war" and the B hull is the 1956 configuration this is my opinion and i hope the wg not do the same mistake like sharni/gneis gun.

[Exocet6951]

 

Wouldn't they have to make up one?

 

I dunno I really want the 1955 refit, it wouldn't really be Jean Bart without it.

 

Or they could save it for an alternative tierX, one with buffs to the guns to compensate from smaller caliber and small amounts of guns.

[Affeks]

 

Or they could save it for an alternative tierX, one with buffs to the guns to compensate from smaller caliber and small amounts of guns.

 

The AA would still be insane... so I would rather it be a tier 9 one.

[Affeks]

Now, why would we need a tier 8 premium French BB?!

 

There is Dunkerque at tier 6 as a captain retrainer. Tier 8 MM is not much better than tier 6.

 

This is not what the thread is about... This is merely speculation and discussion, not begging for WG to implement it now.

[rigawe]

I highly doubt WG will put two BB premium on the french tech tree.

 

If they decide to do it any way, I hope that the ship will have the same gameplay as the rest of the line.

I don't see the point of premium ship that need a specific captain.

 

But I would prefer a premium DD over a BB.

[Affeks]

I highly doubt WG will put two BB premium on the french tech tree.

 

If they decide to do it any way, I hope that the ship will have the same gameplay as the rest of the line.

I don't see the point of premium ship that need a specific captain.

 

But I would prefer a premium DD over a BB.

 

I'm talking very long term here. IJN has 3 premium BBs, USN even have 5 premium BBs. The french have more than enough ships to make 2 DD lines, a BB line and the already existing cruiser line. 

 

Were all speculating long term, because once we see one of these ships be a premium it will decide what happens to the rest of them further down the line.

 

Also dont worry, french will have their fair share of Premium DDs.

[Djansolo]

Its the obvious choice for another French Premium. Ofc no need to get it now, wait for it untill an eventual launch of a french BB tree.

T8 as a direct counter to the Bismarcks would fit nicely

[22cm]

 

I'm talking very long term here. IJN has 3 premium BBs, USN even have 5 premium BBs. The french have more than enough ships to make 2 DD lines, a BB line and the already existing cruiser line. 

 

And also GE 3 and UK 2...

 I m talking reality here. Those were big navies with some famous ships (Yamato, Bismarck, Hood) who have many fans.

French navy?!

[ShinGetsu]

And also GE 3 and UK 2...

 I m talking reality here. Those were big navies with some famous ships (Yamato, Bismarck, Hood) who have many fans.

French navy?!

 

French navy has its share of fans too. Richelieu is also famous ship on par with Roma and the whole Littorio class. At least I knew Richelieu for far longer than any South Dakota or North Carolina class.

There's a bunch of interesting French DDs too.

And French navy was one of the 5 most powerful in the world at the outbreak of WW2.

 

However, we're not talking about very long term IMO. Jean Bart is already modeled ingame, while even Roma WG promised as a premium isn't yet.

[Bicio]

A copy of the dankeerque that is played the same way but on a different level would be quite boring.

 

It takes the urge to play something different, especially if it is a premium ship.

[22cm]

2 hours ago, Bicio said:

A copy of the dankeerque that is played the same way but on a different level would be quite boring.

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[Exocet6951]

4 hours ago, 22cm said:

And also GE 3 and UK 2...

 I m talking reality here. Those were big navies with some famous ships (Yamato, Bismarck, Hood) who have many fans.

French navy?!

Ah, the "I haven't heard of them so they don't exist" technique.
Do tell how the German navy was big and important, with their 4 battleships, very small amounts of cruisers, and almost inexistant DDs, compared to what was ranked the 4th biggest and powerful navy at the time, with the Italian navy hot on their heels.(1)

(1) They were close enough in terms of strength that size didn't really matter. If Italy and France fought ,the first significant victory would have decided the victor.

 

 

 

A copy of the dankeerque that is played the same way but on a different level would be quite boring.

 

It takes the urge to play something different, especially if it is a premium ship.

Richelieu is as much of a copy of the Dunkerque as the Iowa is a copy of the NC the FdG a copy of the Bismarck, and Nagato of Kongo.

 

[tajj7]

14 hours ago, Affeks said:

 

Wouldn't they have to make up one?

 

I dunno I really want the 1955 refit, it wouldn't really be Jean Bart without it.

 

Couldn't they just copy Richelieu's AA from it's 1943 refit? 

 

2 hours ago, Bicio said:

A copy of the dankeerque that is played the same way but on a different level would be quite boring.

 

It takes the urge to play something different, especially if it is a premium ship.

 

Richelieu BBs actually have some armour unlike Dunkerque and have proper BB caliber guns.