New Players Beware!

[Fat_Maniac]

Before I start, let me explain I am a new player, been here since March 2017, spent far too much time in PvE (500 battles), but have made the right decision now to play nothing but PvP (60+ battles and counting).

 

As a new player up to T4 has been pretty easy with the protected MM. Moving into T5 has been a really big step change, new maps, new more powerful foes, and many more experienced players. Don't get me wrong it's fun, a hell of lot of fun, but I feel like its a different game with new rules, and I have so much to learn.Hopefully I'm up to the challenge

 

In the last few days I have been weighed, I have been measured, and I have been found wanting. It's what I expected, but I am slowly getting the hang of it and my clan mates are a huge help,

 

Now to the real point of the post. There is a lot of talk about player quality in the game, I think we all want good close hard fought games, then it doesn't matter if you win or lose, you know you have had a damned good fight and a huge amount of fun along the way, and that's the point of WOWS isn't it ? 

 

As a new player just moving into T5 I can see a huge temptation to push through T5 and get to the higher tiers as quickly as possible. The logic behind that being, I'm in a T5 facing T6 & 7, if I was T6 and 7 I would do better, the ships are better.

 

That logic is hugely flawed. Any ship be it T1 or T10 is only as good as the person driving it. Thinking you can simply get into a bigger boat and do better is wrong. I actually think you will do worse and piss your team mates off along the way. That message also applies to premium ships. Don't think you can buy one and do better because it's premium, it must be better. I've only got one premium the T3 Kaiser Albert. She's not really any better or worse than other T3's, she is just 'a bit different'.

 

I really really want to get a Bismark, that is my first big target that I am aiming for. However I'm taking it slow and steady to get there, so I can enjoy her to her fullest potential when I finally get her. If I do badly in her, it's my fault not hers.

 

What do you guys think?

 

[Shirakami_Kon]

This should really be posted where everyone could see it.

[Fat_Maniac]

This should really be posted where everyone could see it.

 

I thought I had.

[creamgravy]

Welcome to the game and good luck on the Bismarck. 

 

 

[Heart] clan is dedicated to the US rock band right?

[philjd]

I think it should be posted on the main game start up screens until a player has clocked up 500-1k games

 

[Fat_Maniac]

Welcome to the game and good luck on the Bismarck. 

 

 

[Heart] clan is dedicated to the US rock band right?

 

No No No lol

 

Heart of Oak

 

[Fat_Maniac]

I think it should be posted on the main game start up screens until a player has clocked up 500-1k games

 

Wow thank you. But WG need people to rush and buy the premiums to keep the cash flowing, if I'm being cynical. 

[Shirakami_Kon]

 

I thought I had.

 

Yes, well, I meant things like this lately should be pinned so the post doesn't dissapear because of the next ones, slammed in the face of people and things like that. 

[MrWastee]

[...]

 

What do you guys think?

 

 

... that not all hope is lost, as well that such posts are waaaay to rare on any gamesforum i guess lol . njoy the ride, i'd wish to have such "newbies" on my team dear mr wg mm dude sir

[snipershot]

I think people should stay stuck at t4 until they achieve greater than 50%wr, just the silver ship lines though, a pay wall to higher teirs is acceptable. 

 

[Flid_Merchant]

On the other hand, playing one line of ships consistently is probably the best way to get good at them, and despite their overpopulation, German BBs is probably one of the best places for a new player to start. Having said that, knowing the strengths and weaknesses of the other ships you face also gives you a big advantage. And some people say there are P2Win ships (Kutuzov springs to mind) but personally that ship just isn't my style, I like to get close up and that is not how it is meant to be played. They also probably won't stay P2Win for long. At one time the Atago was considered OP, now more ships have been added it is comparatively average, even though it hasn't been nerfed in any way.

[ShuggieHamster]

I have a bismarck and ognevoi acquired through the recent missions and DD line change. Although I've been playing a while, I play all ship types and not religiously so I've only just got to T7 in BBs and nothing past T6 in all other lines.

I will NOT be playing T8s for a while. I know my limitations right now and facing T9/10 I think is a pleasure I will keep for a future date! I have enough issues with the gneisenau's guns! 

[Flid_Merchant]

A lot of people have issues with Gneisenau's guns, that's because they have trollish accuracy and there are only 6 of them so you can't negate that with volume of fire. Personally I found it quite a fun ship to play and was 75% of the way through it when I got the Bismarck from the Hood campaign.

[VC381]

The OPs advice is good but only up to a point. It depends how quickly you learn and also a lot of lines change from ship to ship. If going just one tier higher is a big shift to something that is either a very strong ship for its tier or fits your playstyle like a glove, then it might be worth it. A lot of lines, but cruisers especially, have a big step change in power or style at either T6 or T7. Also T5 MM sucks and T5-6-7 ships often end up in the same game. Which would you rather be in?

[Gnirf]

I have a bismarck and ognevoi acquired through the recent missions and DD line change. Although I've been playing a while, I play all ship types and not religiously so I've only just got to T7 in BBs and nothing past T6 in all other lines.

I will NOT be playing T8s for a while. I know my limitations right now and facing T9/10 I think is a pleasure I will keep for a future date! I have enough issues with the gneisenau's guns! 

 

It is a difference also between constantly playing as a useless player and dip the toes somewhat to sniff at the maps/meta. To experience high tier play etc and to know when you are ready it is good to play a game or two in your Tirpiz; bismarck Atago to see if you are good enough.At least when you are up to tier 6-7 something with intervals. The amount of games every player needs is different and also depending on ship.

 

A Broad approach across the shiptypes is recommended. I have made the mistake as many others did in the past because of lack of information. Bought not the Tirpitz but Atago, i think I was at T3,T4 in IJN cruisers and maybe t576 in BBs (i started with only IJN trees back in oct 2015 where the choices were limited). Predictable results, not that every game was catastrophic but many, but after some games I realized that it was no use and continued the game normally, broaden to US lines and have more or less progressed balanced across the board even though I naturally have prio some lines at a time.

 

It is just not the Meta and more experienced opposition it is also that the importance of high point captains premium consumables,flags etc that one is sadly noninformed about. A newbie is XP food anyway but you must not stack the odds against you more than necessary. Many small things one learns all the time, and it has to come with experience helped by the way of other peoples experience which shortens the learning curve/period.

 

So back then you learned the hard way, the forum I did not start to use until say 6 months into the game, youtube a little earlier as the Beta Youtube made me aware of the game, together with reviews/articles in PC Gamer.

 

I think that for many people especially here and also the OP, we share the same experience. But we must also accept that for some people it takes longer to reach the conclusion that perhaps I better take the progress more slowly.

Even very experienced (meaning many games) players like myself does horrible mistakes sometimes which can in a single game look stupid. My goal is to minimize criminal mistakes, but tactical mistakes one can always do. It is easy to get tunnelvisioned so personally I seldom look at single games, but trends. Do I have fewer games that I perform useless in and do I reach more games that I carry the team in? Do I have a common theme in a particular ship of my ship getting deleted or is it something that was more random event. If you are sunk by multiple enemies around you when your team is failing it is not so much analyzing to do, apart maybe from an early tactical decision. 

 

But do not overanalyze, the gutfeeling is useful combined with stats. And have realistic goals. To reach Flamu is not realistic goals for everybody - not for me at least. I am quite content with my around 55%, My goal right now is to perform better in higher tiers if only by a few percent.

[Ferry_25]

I think it should be posted on the main game start up screens until a player has clocked up 500-1k games

 

You beat me with this comment. I was exactly thinking the same thing. Good post OP. Looking at your stats (which aren't conclusive since you don't have that much battles yet) I think you're doing amazing. I think you timed your PvP step perfectly. Regarding the "jump into high tier premium ships when you're not ready for it" discussion. All we are trying to accomplish is a triple win scenario: 1 people don't get disappointed with their purchase, 2 you're not bugging teammates when you don't know what you're doing and 3 in order to do so it'll keep the cash flow running for WG: free to play. Sure. But they are not a charity. 

Don't let being uptiered scare you off! I always welcome it: the more xp/ credit income for me! Hitting higher tier ships is giving better income (reverse vv). I'd recommend you to build up some more experience in DD's in PvP. Love to meet you in combat OP. Thanks for your great thread.

[Fat_Maniac]

I will NOT be playing T8s for a while. I know my limitations right now and facing T9/10 I think is a pleasure I will keep for a future date! I have enough issues with the gneisenau's guns! 

 

 

 

Thats why I didn't try and do The Hunt for Bismark campaign

[Fat_Maniac]

Don't let being uptiered scare you off! I always welcome it: the more xp/ credit income for me! Hitting higher tier ships is giving better income (reverse vv). I'd recommend you to build up some more experience in DD's in PvP. Love to meet you in combat OP.

 

Doesn't scare me at all, I love a challenge! And yes that's the way I look at it too, I'm low tier, so what, more XP for me to earn. DD's I just haven't got used too at all, all the lines play so differently. I haven't found one I want to push and grind, although IJN is looking a likely candidate at the moment  I'm going to come back to DD's later, I simply have enough on my plate learning the BB and CC game play atm. I think my head would explode if I took on the DD challenge as well. Look forward to seeing you in battle too!

[fallenkezef]

I tespect the OP's opinion but must disagree.

[Purple_Alert]

I tespect the OP's opinion but must disagree.

Care to elaborate 

[fallenkezef]

Care to elaborate 

Currently taking my little one to ballet, will post in depth later. Suffice to say, my position is people should play whatever ship they want to, however they want to

[VC381]

Currently taking my little one to ballet, will post in depth later. Suffice to say, my position is people should play whatever ship they want to, however they want to

 

I generally agree with this and I went up a few lines fairly quickly without much trouble. If people can handle the learning curve then they can learn at any tier and I'm fine with that. I don't think the OPs advice should be the universally applicable first thing you tell people, but if players are genuinely struggling due to lack of experience then advising them to slow down can be the right thing to do. Even though there are plenty of bad players at high tiers, at least on average the understanding of basic game mechanics is better so the opposition is slightly more challenging.

[SteDorff]

Here you can see what level ships I had when I bought the Tirpitz and would do it again. 

 

 

[cherry2blost]

Care to elaborate 

 

Not a lot of point, as FK is the spiritual (if not actual) reincarnation of SBF......

 

@OP nice words, excellent outlook, have you met any of the 'notorious' sealclubbers at T5 yet?

@WG please place the OP in the header on top of the forums, as a mantra that ALL new players should adhere to......

[Kittykami]

Excellent post, OP.

 

High tiers are nothing to look forward to these days anyway.