Bevington Players 3 posts Report post #1 Posted June 18, 2017 Hi, I just played as a DD at T5 and was surprised to find myself spotted in smoke (and shortly thereafter sunk) by radar. I'm used to it playing at 8/9/10 and make a mental note of the ships to stay clear of. I could not see any ships in the opposite team that I thought could have radar. I asked the other team who had radar, but with no response. I took a screenshot of the players to double-check after and the wiki confirms none of them should? Has anything changed recently in this regard? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BRITS] fallenkezef [BRITS] Players 1,788 posts 1,955 battles Report post #2 Posted June 18, 2017 Was it radar or hydro? They have the same alert Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] loppantorkel Players 4,506 posts 15,942 battles Report post #3 Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) Indianapolis in tier 7, if there was one.. maybe Belfast too? Or maybe you were hydroed? edit: maybe Flint too or Atlanta..? Plenty of radars in tier 7... Edited June 18, 2017 by loppantorkel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bevington Players 3 posts Report post #4 Posted June 18, 2017 Ahh. The hydro icon is the same as the radar icon in the GUI? I was not aware of that. Thanks for clarifying Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #5 Posted June 18, 2017 Indianapolis, Atlanta and Belfast at tier VII have radar and can see tier V ships. But it sounds more like you got spotted by hydroacoustic search which every cruiser in your MM range gets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bevington Players 3 posts Report post #6 Posted June 18, 2017 Pretty sure it was a T6 German destroyer now. Can't believe I have never come across that before? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #7 Posted June 18, 2017 Hydro and radar have same icon on GUI , can't tell what is spoting you . And yes Gaede have hydro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #8 Posted June 18, 2017 Pretty sure it was a T6 German destroyer now. Can't believe I have never come across that before? Yeah, that one gets hydro with top hull and yes the "detected" icon is the same as radar. It's a nasty trick for the unprepared, quite a strong DD overall mostly because of this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ARRSE] cracktrackflak Weekend Tester 947 posts Report post #9 Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) WG really ought to differentiate the detection icons, so that the player knows if its radar or hydro that is illuminating him (albeit its usually easy to deduce with a bit of situational awareness). If WG needed a vaguely historical justification, then it would be that - in real life - radar and hydro work in different environments (atmosphere and water), and are thus transmitted and detected by completely different systems. Edited June 18, 2017 by cracktrackflak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] loppantorkel Players 4,506 posts 15,942 battles Report post #10 Posted June 18, 2017 WG really ought to differentiate the detection icons, so that the player knows if its radar or hydro that is illuminating him (albeit its usually easy to deduce with a bit of situational awareness). If WG needed a vaguely historical justification, then it would be that - in real life - radar and hydro work in different environments (atmosphere and water), and are thus transmitted and detected by completely different systems. Does hydro sound anything in the detected ship, in real life? In a quiet submarine - would you hear a destroyer hydroing you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #11 Posted June 18, 2017 Well, "hydroacoustic search" is a pretty ambiguous term anyway. Is it meant to be active or passive? If passive, the detected ship should have no idea. Then again, magically knowing when someone can see you also doesn't make sense. So I guess don't think about it too hard. In gameplay terms, it would kind of make sense to have different icons. I mean, you have different icons for planes and ships spotting you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSPDibbler Players 70 posts 11,255 battles Report post #12 Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) Does hydro sound anything in the detected ship, in real life? In a quiet submarine - would you hear a destroyer hydroing you? Depends. Active sonar (like 2WW ASDIC) is 'pinging' you, so you know it right away with ur ears - that is if ur in submerged submarine. Passive sonar (working on hydroacustics, that is sound generated mostly by prepellors of the ship) you cant be aware by any means, thats why it is called passive - with hydro you only listen without doing anything else. Radar - depends if you have propper equipment on board (that is a piece of eletronics that detects incoming radar waves; germans invented first of the kind i think during 2WW for their u-boots to prevent surprise air attacks by wild planes with radars) Regards Edited June 19, 2017 by GSPDibbler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 2,556 posts 1,924 battles Report post #13 Posted June 19, 2017 I really do think they should add 2 different symbols for when you are spotted by hydro or radar. Could help clarify a lot of cause a lot less confusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #14 Posted June 19, 2017 I really do think they should add 2 different symbols for when you are spotted by hydro or radar. Could help clarify a lot of cause a lot less confusion. I agree. The icons are bad as it is (I have to use mod just to make them more "visible") and having same icon for both only increases confusion. Unless its a part of the intended game play. Then I am too limited to understand it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM-S] Kann_Nix_Extreme Players 388 posts 15,432 battles Report post #15 Posted June 19, 2017 edit: maybe Flint too or Atlanta..? Plenty of radars in tier 7... Flint does not have radar. There has ben a lot of confusion going on during the last ranked season and I'd really like to see people get such simple things straight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] Jethro_Grey Players 5,207 posts 25,733 battles Report post #16 Posted June 19, 2017 Didn't we had two different symbols in the past? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,795 posts 12,260 battles Report post #17 Posted June 19, 2017 Didn't we had two different symbols in the past? I'm pretty sure we never did. In fact, having a special symbol for either of these is a relatively recent addition (previously you just knew you are spotted). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] Jethro_Grey Players 5,207 posts 25,733 battles Report post #18 Posted June 19, 2017 I'm pretty sure we never did. In fact, having a special symbol for either of these is a relatively recent addition (previously you just knew you are spotted). Odd, i was sure we had one for each, iirc there was an ussue with them overlapping or something. Might be wrong tho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YKING] shamelesscreature Players 1,202 posts 8,169 battles Report post #19 Posted June 19, 2017 Odd, i was sure we had one for each, iirc there was an ussue with them overlapping or something. Might be wrong tho. I think that issue was Incoming Fire Alert overlapping everything else (Priority Target, radar / hydro spotting symbol, plane spotting symbol). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dragnorak Players 617 posts 6,737 battles Report post #20 Posted June 20, 2017 Tier 5? I hardly ever get a pure Tier 5 match in my Fujin. I'm always with Belfasts, Atlantas and always expect radar etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BRITS] fallenkezef [BRITS] Players 1,788 posts 1,955 battles Report post #21 Posted June 20, 2017 Tier 5? I hardly ever get a pure Tier 5 match in my Fujin. I'm always with Belfasts, Atlantas and always expect radar etc T5 and T8 seem a bit iffy for the mm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dragnorak Players 617 posts 6,737 battles Report post #22 Posted June 20, 2017 T5 and T8 seem a bit iffy for the mm It has been happening more so of late for sure. I will see if I can monitor it and take some snapshots over 10 games to see if I'm imagining it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stockers101 Players 5 posts 14,571 battles Report post #23 Posted July 19, 2019 Still happening. Driving Clemson T4, got painted by RADAR not Hydro, and got sunk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] loppantorkel Players 4,506 posts 15,942 battles Report post #24 Posted July 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, stockers101 said: Still happening. Driving Clemson T4, got painted by RADAR not Hydro, and got sunk Do you perhaps have a replay, or some info of what radared you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EON] The_Finnster Players 190 posts 23,893 battles Report post #25 Posted July 19, 2019 No, no you didn’t. Unless you were in a fail div against T7. It was hydro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
