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Was looking at this ship and thinking it would make a nice premium alternative to the Cleveland, that is all :).

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Was looking at this ship and thinking it would make a nice premium alternative to the Cleveland, that is all :).

 

So you want a Brooklyn class as a premium at T6?

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Brooklyn is more tier 7 / 8 material, unless you strap the same nerfs to her as Cleveland has laboured under for the past few years. 

Anyways, I would imagine it to be in the USN CL when that comes, with Helena as a T8 premium.

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I would rather see USS Albany CA-123.

 

That would need to be a T9. Do you really want another T9 premium to be "just available to be bought by anyone"? :sceptic:

 

Brooklyn is more tier 7 / 8 material, unless you strap the same nerfs to her as Cleveland has laboured under for the past few years. 

Anyways, I would imagine it to be in the USN CL when that comes, with Helena as a T8 premium.

 

Yup. Either crippled at T6, or it has to be T7-8 (depending on AA and detailed spec). Although to be in "chronological order" WG would have to shift (and strongly buff) Cleve to T7 and make "early-war" Brooklyn into T6...

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Brooklyn is more tier 7 / 8 material, unless you strap the same nerfs to her as Cleveland has laboured under for the past few years.

 

Yup. Either crippled at T6, or it has to be T7-8 (depending on AA and detailed spec). Although to be in "chronological order" WG would have to shift (and strongly buff) Cleve to T7 and make "early-war" Brooklyn into T6...

 

With 15 guns there is no nerf that will put that ship at T6. Maybe ROF of 2 to 3 RPM but that is highly unlikly.  It could fit both T7 & T8 depending on how WG choose to balance its guns. But if they are planing to put Cleveland at T8 I expect for Brooklyn to be T7, possibly with current Cleveland shell arcs.

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Awesome idea! Especially since Brooklyn is directly derived from the Dutch town of Breukelen. Really a step in the correct direction.

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Awesome idea! Especially since Brooklyn is directly derived from the Dutch town of Breukelen. Really a step in the correct direction.

 

First dutch ship confirmed?:trollface:

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Yup. Either crippled at T6, or it has to be T7-8 (depending on AA and detailed spec). Although to be in "chronological order" WG would have to shift (and strongly buff) Cleve to T7 and make "early-war" Brooklyn into T6...

 

Well, Brooklyn would probably have to have it's RoF neutered a bit, from 8RPM to 6RPM or so at tier 7. While Cleveland gets it's historical turret traverse, RoF (10RPM) and AA given back. Possibly that split citadel too. 

 

 

 

With 15 guns there is no nerf that will put that ship at T6. Maybe ROF of 2 to 3 RPM but that is highly unlikly.  It could fit both T7 & T8 depending on how WG choose to balance its guns. But if they are planing to put Cleveland at T8 I expect for Brooklyn to be T7, possibly with current Cleveland shell arcs.

 

Sure there is. BB reloads or turret traverse etc. can easily make it so unrewarding to play and theoretically balanced at the same time. But it is pointless to discuss since it would just be a Cleveland with a lower RoF and HP etc. 

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That would need to be a T9. Do you really want another T9 premium to be "just available to be bought by anyone"? :sceptic:

 

Why not? It's not like most people in tier IX and X are good anyway...

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While Cleveland gets it's historical turret traverse, RoF (10RPM) and AA given back. Possibly that split citadel too. 

 

 

Quite likely more range too. No reason not to. Her present range is woefully inadequate for T8 and above MM. I know, I know... hitting stuff out to that range isn't easy, but it can be done with practice. I remember having AFT on Cleveland before that nerf... and hitting was neither impossible nor that hard really, just don't expect to nail DDs at those ranges.

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Brooklyn was a response to the current tier 8 Mogami class cruisers. Putting it at tier 7 is already kind of a stretch, so tier 6 can never be done while keeping her historical integrity. 

 

How I see it play out in game is that we get Brooklyn at tier 7, probably USS Helena at tier 7 as a premium and we get USS St. Louis at tier 8 as a Brazilian (south american) premium or part of a mixed tech tree. How does that sound? If I remember correctly didnt Argentine get a Brooklyn class cruiser some time after the war as well? If so they could also get a premium or something. This way the Brooklyn class and variants can enjoy a spread between tier 7-8 and across multiple nations. Everyone is happy!

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Brooklyn was a response to the current tier 8 Mogami class cruisers. Putting it at tier 7 is already kind of a stretch, so tier 6 can never be done while keeping her historical integrity. 

 

How I see it play out in game is that we get Brooklyn at tier 7, probably USS Helena at tier 7 as a premium and we get USS St. Louis at tier 8 as a Brazilian (south american) premium or part of a mixed tech tree. How does that sound? If I remember correctly didnt Argentine get a Brooklyn class cruiser some time after the war as well? If so they could also get a premium or something. This way the Brooklyn class and variants can enjoy a spread between tier 7-8 and across multiple nations. Everyone is happy!

 

Absolutely, General Belgrano former CL46 Phoenix! which was sunk in combat by a RN submarine in the Falklands. CL 47 Boise was also sold to Argentine. CL49 St Louis as you write to Brazil with CL41 Philadelphia and CL 40 Brooklyn to Chile together with CL43 Nashville. CL50 Helena was sunk 6/7/43 by IJN and CL42 Savannah scrapped1960 together with CL48 Honolulu (source Silverstone: US Warships of World war II) 

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With 15 guns there is no nerf that will put that ship at T6. Maybe ROF of 2 to 3 RPM but that is highly unlikly.  It could fit both T7 & T8 depending on how WG choose to balance its guns. But if they are planing to put Cleveland at T8 I expect for Brooklyn to be T7, possibly with current Cleveland shell arcs.

 

Yeah, but thing is, historically Brooklyn gave up a turret for better firecontrol and better rate of fire to become Cleveland. We can discount all the "soft" factors (RoF, firecontrol) and make her a T Cleveland+1, or we can take those into account and put Brookly to T cleveland - 1 with the assorted reduction in range, accuracy and individual RoF. Either way is viable in a simple surface/surface scenario, but when it comes to utility, Cleveland clearly wins out with her better and more streamlined AA suite that allows her to be an effective escort vessel.

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Quite likely more range too. No reason not to. Her present range is woefully inadequate for T8 and above MM. I know, I know... hitting stuff out to that range isn't easy, but it can be done with practice. I remember having AFT on Cleveland before that nerf... and hitting was neither impossible nor that hard really, just don't expect to nail DDs at those ranges.

 

If I'm not wrong when added to the game Cleveland had much better arcs but over time they were nerfed because ship was really powerful. Giving Cleveland more range with the same arcs would be pointless. I expect that once they put it at T8 to give it much better arcs.  

 

 

Yeah, but thing is, historically Brooklyn gave up a turret for better firecontrol and better rate of fire to become Cleveland. We can discount all the "soft" factors (RoF, firecontrol) and make her a T Cleveland+1, or we can take those into account and put Brookly to T cleveland - 1 with the assorted reduction in range, accuracy and individual RoF. Either way is viable in a simple surface/surface scenario, but when it comes to utility, Cleveland clearly wins out with her better and more streamlined AA suite that allows her to be an effective escort vessel.

 

Well I expect that WG balance Brooklyn at T7 by RoF, turret traverse speed, range and armour. Late war Brooklyn class cruisers had quite strong AA. Majority have 4-6 quadruple 40mm mounts with 2 twin mounts and number of 20mm Oerlikon guns. USS Savannah and USS Honolulu had even better AA. These two ships had their eight single 5inch mounts replaced with 4 twin 5inch mounts, same that Cleveland had used with additional 24 40mm Bofors guns in 4 quadruple and 6 twin mounts.

 

Also once they move Cleveland to T8 WG could give it a radar as a trade for loss of one turret.  

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If I'm not wrong when added to the game Cleveland had much better arcs but over time they were nerfed because ship was really powerful. Giving Cleveland more range with the same arcs would be pointless. I expect that once they put it at T8 to give it much better arcs.  

 

 

You are wrong. 'The Great USN Arc Nerf' never happened, despite what people say. You can go back to early Beta videos and see the exact same arcs on Cleveland, Des Moines and the 5 inch guns.

The reason people got the idea that these guns were nerfed was an increase in the average maneuverability, leading to more ships being able to move out of the way int time, intentionally or unintentionally. Add to this that people simply got better and started to actually try and avoid shells and not play like T3 ships all the way to T10, resulted in USN shells arcs looking inadequate, but they had always been like that.

 

The shell arcs of Cleveland will not be buffed.

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I'm not a fan of Argentina or the Argentinian navy, but I certainly think a premium ARA General Belgrano would make a nice addition to the game. Or maybe we'll see the Brooklyn in a new line. Who knows.

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