Saipan Fix When?

[Zerstoeroer]

Or is T7 CV-Gameplay gonna stay pay to win forever? As it is, even a braindead monkey can "pwn" in that brokenly overpowered piece of crap. Its airplanes outgun you, they outrun you and they can cope much better with the CONSTANT uptier to T8/9 from which T7 CVs seem to suffer.

Plus, I am matched against it in 90% of my Hiryu matches. No fun at all.

 

I'd sincerely like to have a statement from WG on this issue in order to properly allocate my funds in the future.

[beercrazy]

when it rains in hell

this is wg and this is a premium ship that sells well so have a guess yourself

 

ps I don't think its broke I often see hiryu players way out perform a saipan in a lot of tier 7 battles

 

[SBS]

WG will never nerf premiums, since the last time they did, the players went in an uproar and demanded their gold/money back, despite WG having the full right to change any premiums as is stated in the EULA.

 

So yeh, it will never ever happen. Also, when ever a premium is just "okay" or "decent" it never sells well, it has to be REALLY good or borderline OP for people to apparently spend money on it.

Really, as much as WG is at fault for making the premiums as they do, the players are even more at fault in my opinion for their attitude towards premiums.

 

Apparently, having premiums just be for training crew/captains and earning XP is no longer good enough.

[pra3y]

Well it really still depend on how you play and the skill of the Saipan player. I was playing in my 1/1/1 Ranger the other day and kept on shredding this Saipan's planes. His fighters loss 1v1 engagements with me. He got  so frustrated that I got a report as well as a ticket for using "illegal mods"

 

 

[HotshotJimmy]

Saipan is easily beatable so I dont see the issue here. There are matches where my side loses due to the CV. Therw are some matches where we win and they had the Saipan. Its not OP in my opinion. It is strong not OP. Instead of complaining why not take the time to learn about it and how you can counter it effectively. 

[BIG6969]

Saipan don't need to a fix. It's most likely you who needs to learn to play more skilful. The hanger capacity of the ship is extremely small compared to other same tier CV and the number of planes in a squadron is also a deciding factor.

 

Hiryu loadout is no doubt superior to Saipan's and if you know how to play, you can still get your strike planes on target while making Saipan's plane busy with your own fighters. You have larger hanger so you can afford to lose some planes at times.

 

Ranger is unfortunately limited to AS loadount only, because the stupid US loadout, but again if you know how to work with your fighters, 12 fighters vs 6 or 14 vs 8 is still a tough fight for Saipan.

 

In sum, the current Saipan in my opinion is just FINE. Stop complaining and learn how to play better.

[BIG6969]

Oh and there is the new Kaga. I don't think more needs to be said considering the amount of striking power it has when you can keep Saipan's fighters busy with your own... plus the large hanger. Mostly like to happen berween two skilful captain is that Saipan kills Kaga's fighters but Kaga sinks Saipan or its friendly ships. But again, if there is potato vs competent player then it's different pictures...

[Zerstoeroer]

Saipan don't need to a fix. It's most likely you who needs to learn to play more skilful. The hanger capacity of the ship is extremely small compared to other same tier CV and the number of planes in a squadron is also a deciding factor.

 

Hiryu loadout is no doubt superior to Saipan's and if you know how to play, you can still get your strike planes on target while making Saipan's plane busy with your own fighters. You have larger hanger so you can afford to lose some planes at times.

 

Ranger is unfortunately limited to AS loadount only, because the stupid US loadout, but again if you know how to work with your fighters, 12 fighters vs 6 or 14 vs 8 is still a tough fight for Saipan.

 

In sum, the current Saipan in my opinion is just FINE. Stop complaining and learn how to play better.

 

Can a Hiryu's planes strafe out of a dogfight without losing a plane? Oh right, thought so.

 

I regularly shred 4 squads of Saipan planes. They just keep coming. So much for the "limited hangar capacity". And he just needs to point an click on my planes to beat them up, preventing me from dropping my torps and bombs effectively if the Saipan player knows just a little bit what he is doing.

In the meantime, his bombers are faster than my fighters and can just run away. Which of course is not true in a reversed situation.

 

Just cheap excuses, I'm afraid.

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

ps I don't think its broke I often see hiryu players way out perform a saipan in a lot of tier 7 battles

 

I don't. 

[Spellfire40]

Saipan don't need to a fix. It's most likely you who needs to learn to play more skilful. The hanger capacity of the ship is extremely small compared to other same tier CV and the number of planes in a squadron is also a deciding factor.

 

Hiryu loadout is no doubt superior to Saipan's and if you know how to play, you can still get your strike planes on target while making Saipan's plane busy with your own fighters. You have larger hanger so you can afford to lose some planes at times.

 

Ranger is unfortunately limited to AS loadount only, because the stupid US loadout, but again if you know how to work with your fighters, 12 fighters vs 6 or 14 vs 8 is still a tough fight for Saipan.

 

In sum, the current Saipan in my opinion is just FINE. Stop complaining and learn how to play better.

 

​Saipans planes are fast it dictates if and when it will fight. and even if you catch them with the Ammo and the strafe out of Jail Card as a icing for the cake there is very Little you can do agist her if the Saipan Player is even remotely competent...if you just Point and click ...yes then ist balanced but saipan is not bound to the T4/5 rules so its not balanced ,,,,,

[BIG6969]

 

Can a Hiryu's planes strafe out of a dogfight without losing a plane? Oh right, thought so.

 

I regularly shred 4 squads of Saipan planes. They just keep coming. So much for the "limited hangar capacity". And he just needs to point an click on my planes to beat them up, preventing me from dropping my torps and bombs effectively if the Saipan player knows just a little bit what he is doing.

In the meantime, his bombers are faster than my fighters and can just run away. Which of course is not true in a reversed situation.

 

Just cheap excuses, I'm afraid.

 

I dont have hiryu personally but i believe you have at least 10 - 20 more fighters in your hanger in 2/2/2. Assuming you don''t be a potato and lose your entire squadron in every engagement, you will have plenty of reverse to DO WHAT SAIPAN DOES TO U. Do the exit strafe and an attack strafe at the same time. I don't recall how many fighters I have in stock in the 2/2/0 loadout, but I am guessing you are talking about the 3/0/1 loadout. Obviously the AS loadout has more fighters so I don't see why you complain again. But in the 2/2/0 loadout, I don't think saipan has more than 3 or 4 spare squadron in reserve. 

 

It is cheap excuses to not learn how to encounter saipan and it's weakness. A good hiryu player is more than capable to restrict the striking capability of saipan. 

 

 

​Saipans planes are fast it dictates if and when it will fight. and even if you catch them with the Ammo and the strafe out of Jail Card as a icing for the cake there is very Little you can do agist her if the Saipan Player is even remotely competent...if you just Point and click ...yes then ist balanced but saipan is not bound to the T4/5 rules so its not balanced ,,,,,

 

its true and that is why you need to know when to engage and when not to engage. It is just saipan players are made to be more aware of this because of its lack of reserve. Same can be said to the german BB player who are less worried about their citadels when showing a broadside compared to the IJN and USN BBs because of the turtle back armor. 

[Spellfire40]

its true and that is why you need to know when to engage and when not to engage

 

​It that would be true Saipain still would be balaced you Need skill to make proper use of strafes. Strafing out with no penality takes that awly you now only Need a Basic understanding that there is a ALT Key to use. German BBs pay for their Turtleback with crap Dispersion and if you know were to aim you can devastate them still by hiting above the armor Belt with pens. Saipains strafe out ability is more like Germans Sonar on BBs having a weakness but installing a mechanic to nullify it by design.....

[El2aZeR]

According to a recent Q&A Saipan is not in need for adjustment.

Which truly shows how detached WG are to CV gameplay. Assuming players are of the same skill level, Saipan will outperform Hiryu in fighter combat, especially since they've actually made the one counter to her strafing out without casualties unusable (it was by simply strafing after and killing them off, which now doesn't work anymore because your fighters refuse to listen to commands right after an opposing fighter strafed out).

[Aotearas]

Saipan is easily beatable so I dont see the issue here. There are matches where my side loses due to the CV. Therw are some matches where we win and they had the Saipan. Its not OP in my opinion. It is strong not OP. Instead of complaining why not take the time to learn about it and how you can counter it effectively. 

 

Easily beaten? No.

 

It absolutely can be beaten by a competent player. Given equal skill between a Hiryuu and a Saipan, the Hiryu has the advantage (Ranger is crap out of luck though!). Even so if the Saipan is skilled enough to kite rather than directly engage, that cat and mouse game can go for the entire length of the match.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

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[Redcap375]

 

Easily beaten? No.

 

It absolutely can be beaten by a competent player. Given equal skill between a Hiryuu and a Saipan, the Hiryu has the advantage (Ranger is crap out of luck though!). Even so if the Saipan is skilled enough to kite rather than directly engage, that cat and mouse game can go for the entire length of the match.

 

Simply can not agree in the slightest  all players being equal in talent?

 

The Saipan will run circles around the Hiryu. Picking off their easy tier 6 torp planes and strafing out and outrunning any IJN fighters they wanna tigh up. If the Saipan what's your striking power dead, they will be.

 

If your a good CV player..The Saipan is the best CV, tier for tier, and will always serve you well. I've shut down nearly all the CVs I've been up against. The Kaga is deadly (got both), but I know that a good Saipan player will be a hard game.I'm glad when I see and Ranger or Hiryu on the red team.

 

Let's just check my stats...I enjoyed the Hiryu too if I recall (played it before the nerf)

 

[snipershot]

When they power creep silver sheeps, err i mean ships, past current ability of gold ships. They know they dont have to buff gold ships when they introduce game changing mechanics, but free to do as they wish on the silver ship lines. Maybe the next cv line will result on buffs across the board for silver cv's, in the name of game balance.

Im not a cv player, but the removal of stealthfire is the closest example i can think of. 

[Redcap375]

Saipan = 80%

Kaga = 91%

Hiryu = 50% (not played for years)

Ranger = 60% (AS, oh those days)

Win rate

If you didn't know which is the gold or silver CVs bet you could guess 

 

Just saying  that's an option off someone who has played them all. Completely unbiased as I liked them all in different ways, but some are just plain better in the right hands.

 

 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

Saipan = 80%

Kaga = 91%

Hiryu = 50%

Ranger = 60% (AS, oh those days)

Win rate

 

If you didn't know which is the gold or silver CVs bet you could guess 

 

Just saying  that's an option off someone who has played them all. Completely unbiased as I liked them all in different ways, but some are just plain better in the right hands.

 

 

 

Yep..Saipan is not the top off food chain any more.....Kaga is.....ah how those stats bites you in the [edited] .....khm khm does not Kaga have t6 planes?

 

It is not all in planes tier

 

 

[Redcap375]

 

Yep..Saipan is not the top off food chain any more.....Kaga is.....ah how those stats bites you in the [edited] .....khm khm does not Kaga have t6 planes?

 

It is not all in planes tier

 

 

 

Ho ho, nice one trying the twist that . Regarding the Saipan, its ALL about the planes tiers 

 

I'm pointed out as you well know that the Spain is better than the Hiryu (please see quote and replay). If you asked me if the Kaga is better then I would say defiantly yes. BUT, I shut down Kagas with Sapains, not always the other way around. 

 

If I had to play myself (sounds weird) with a Kaga and Saipan. I would choose the Saipan. If I was playing another player, then I would pick the Kaga.

 

Understand that?

[fallenkezef]

Premium does mor mean protection from stupidity. Was in a game in which Saipan moron repeatedly flew his planes over two Clevelands

[Redcap375]

Premium does mor mean protection from stupidity. Was in a game in which Saipan moron repeatedly flew his planes over two Clevelands

 

Will always be the case m8 in any ship, I've seen worse .

[WingedHussar_Adler]

 

Ho ho, nice one trying the twist that . Regarding the Saipan, its ALL about the planes tiers 

 

I'm pointed out as you well know that the Spain is better than the Hiryu (please see quote and replay). If you asked me if the Kaga is better then I would say defiantly yes. BUT, I shut down Kagas with Sapains, not always the other way around. 

 

If I had to play myself (sounds weird) with a Kaga and Saipan. I would choose the Saipan. If I was playing another player, then I would pick the Kaga.

 

Understand that?

 

Kaga and Saipan are bouth better than "regular" cvs and there is no argue.....but the thing is when peoples say "The Saipan will run circles around the Hiryu. Picking off their easy tier 6 torp planes and strafing out and outrunning any IJN fighters they wanna tigh up. If the Saipan what's your striking power dead, they will be.".....and is same time he CAN NOT do that to Kaga who eaven has tier down fighters and other planes....isnt first and second statement in some kind of contradiciton + stats for you and whole EU server is that Kaga wins over saipan in WR and total DMG.

 

 

[fallenkezef]

Teamplay helps. Was in a game with my Warspite against an enemy Daipan. His fighters engaged the birds of allied cv close bu so I stramed in to help. My aa wasnt great but I shredded enough planes to help tip the balance. I sometimes wonder if my stats would be better if I was more selfish and only played for myself

[Redcap375]

 

Kaga and Saipan are bouth better than "regular" cvs and there is no argue.....but the thing is when peoples say "Saipan dominates by his t9 fighters becasue he run circles around you and kill all yours stirke planes (Hiryu)".....and is same time he CAN NOT do that to Kaga who eaven has tier down fighters and other planes....isnt first and second statement in some kind of contradiciton + stats for you and whole EU server is that Kaga wins over saipan in WR and total DMG.

 

 

 

Contradiction? What? You didn't listen or just didn't take that in..i will give you time to read it again m8, don't rush this time.

 

I can/we Do do that in a Saipan against a Kaga  its just that the Kaga, as you know, doesn't face the Saipan in every game does it? And is every Saipan player a good player? 

 

I can do more damage in a Kaga than a Saipan, but when facing a Kaga in the Sapain I can close him down. You can't easily do it the other way around.