win rate

[RBay]

Looking for advice. Since hitting high tiers and around the time rhe hunt for bismarck started my WR dropped from 52 to 49.

Especially my midway is awful at 20% after 63 games played. (I skipped essex to get a 10 to play with mates) i may be bad. But im not 20% bad.

Missouri i have fun in. Stats indicate im so bad in it.

GK 36%.

Etc

Lately the teams have been ultra awful or is it just me ? And at high tiers my teams usually camp and cower behind an island and take no caps, just wait to die.

 

Im not a total idiot in CVs either, I don't think. But midway i cannot get bloody wins in. Did i get to high tiers before being ready? Awful teams ? Both ?

 

The loss streaks have been so frustrating, or i wouldnt normally post.

[RBay]

I should add i have done quite well in the izumo for some reason

[22cm]

Check warships.today, average damage and XP for the average WR for the ships in question, to see if it s you or the teams. 

I have ships with better damage and XP than the average, but worse than the average WR, and in this case it is indeed becauss of the teams I get.

[loppantorkel]

Check warships.today, average damage and XP for the average WR for the ships in question, to see if it s you or the teams. 

I have ships with better damage and XP than the average, but worse than the average WR, and in this case it is indeed becauss of the teams I get.

That doesn't tell you that. High average damage/XP doesn't equate the same high WR. There's usually some correlation but it's not like you can tell you're getting bad MM because your WR doesn't keep up.

[22cm]

That doesn't tell you that. High average damage/XP doesn't equate the same high WR. There's usually some correlation but it's not like you can tell you're getting bad MM because your WR doesn't keep up.

 

It tells you that you do your part and don t expect to be carried by the team, and when you do your job and still have bad WR, it shows it s the teams fault.

[Prospect_b]

Looking for advice. Since hitting high tiers and around the time rhe hunt for bismarck started my WR dropped from 52 to 49.

Especially my midway is awful at 20% after 63 games played. (I skipped essex to get a 10 to play with mates) i may be bad. But im not 20% bad.

Missouri i have fun in. Stats indicate im so bad in it.

GK 36%.

Etc

Lately the teams have been ultra awful or is it just me ? And at high tiers my teams usually camp and cower behind an island and take no caps, just wait to die.

 

Im not a total idiot in CVs either, I don't think. But midway i cannot get bloody wins in. Did i get to high tiers before being ready? Awful teams ? Both ?

 

The loss streaks have been so frustrating, or i wouldnt normally post.

 

To be honest, looking at your shiprates (https://eu.warships.today/player/500492069/BigPapaLump) you havent got good rates with lower tier carriers or lower tier ships as well. For example gneisenau, fuso, hood, independance, lexington, etc. I also see you skipped more ships than alone the essex. So its just a case of going to the higher tiers too fast. When you are top tier, a hell of a lot more is expected from you yourself to help your team win.

 

Advice is as expected. Take a mid tier ship you really like and play it a lot more until you feel more comfortable to go up again.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

for sure t10 have more worst teams then t9

[tank276]

Looking for advice. Since hitting high tiers and around the time rhe hunt for bismarck started my WR dropped from 52 to 49.

Especially my midway is awful at 20% after 63 games played. (I skipped essex to get a 10 to play with mates) i may be bad. But im not 20% bad.

Missouri i have fun in. Stats indicate im so bad in it.

GK 36%.

Etc

Lately the teams have been ultra awful or is it just me ? And at high tiers my teams usually camp and cower behind an island and take no caps, just wait to die.

 

Im not a total idiot in CVs either, I don't think. But midway i cannot get bloody wins in. Did i get to high tiers before being ready? Awful teams ? Both ?

 

The loss streaks have been so frustrating, or i wouldnt normally post.

 

You probably did the mistake most of us did,u skipped a lot of ships in the tech trees thus missing the whole progression/learning phase to reach tier 10. And when u did reach t10,your WR fell considerably. Same thing has happened to me too, done the same mistakes and I am trying to play again more t7- t8 where I feel more comfortable. for a peculiar reason my WR in tier 9 is pretty good,at tier 10 it is that it becomes awful.

[fallenkezef]

 

You probably did the mistake most of us did,u skipped a lot of ships in the tech trees thus missing the whole progression/learning phase to reach tier 10. And when u did reach t10,your WR fell considerably. Same thing has happened to me too, done the same mistakes and I am trying to play again more t7- t8 where I feel more comfortable. for a peculiar reason my WR in tier 9 is pretty good,at tier 10 it is that it becomes awful.

 

I agree there, I do tend to stay with T6/7 but I do enjoy the Minotaur.

 

Having leveled crews helps aswell, skip too much and you skip vital crew exp.

[159Hunter]

 

It tells you that you do your part and don t expect to be carried by the team, and when you do your job and still have bad WR, it shows it s the teams fault.

 

Problem is that in games where you have BBs camping in the back and being the last to survive, they also tend to end up higher in the scoreboard because they live longer thus get to shoot more. However does that mean that they played good and that their team was bad?

To OP:

BLUF: Go back to tier 7/8 and start your grinding from that point and complete it without free xp-ing.

LONG start working on lower tier CVs first, you'll probably need to look into target prioritizing because that's where the CV stands out. Pick up kills on the important ships. Also, how's your spotting? My advice, work a bit longer on Shokaku before giving Midway another go.

Missouri isn't too bad damage wise, but your survival rate is very low? Do you tend to die a lot early on, or more late game? For BBs, honestly: go back to NC and start your route from there. Without skipping anything.

Your Izumo stats aren't bad, but compare them to your Amagi stats and you'll notice that Amagi did perform better. So, I'd say, get back to Amagi to get some more experience.

 

 

 

 

[RBay]

Hmm. Thanks for all the responses. I am a very aggressive player. I started with the German bbs. Well years back at launch i played us CVs and did badly. Changed that when i picked it up again. Youtube etc.

Generally my recents are better. Apart from missouri, midway and GK.   I Have more recently grinded IJN BBs and dine somewhat better i think than my German bbs. Tirpitz and scharn i acquired like an idiot when i was at tier 4-5 lol.

Recently the teams have been rubbish at any tier it seems though. But midway takes the cake fir me. I feel thete is nothing i can do to save a bad team. Even when i do 150k dmg and shur down the enemy CV we still lose.

For me the struggle with CVs start at tier 8.  it gets a lot harder then to be sure for me. Ans yes i definitely skipped more than i should. Less than 10 games in bayern lol. Used all my special xp camos on US CVs. Yeah.

But i feel like i improved... until hunt for bismarck and it took a nose dive.

 

[RBay]

Hmm. Thanks for all the responses. I am a very aggressive player. I started with the German bbs. Well years back at launch i played us CVs and did badly. Changed that when i picked it up again. Youtube etc.

Generally my recents are better. Apart from missouri, midway and GK.   I Have more recently grinded IJN BBs and dine somewhat better i think than my German bbs. Tirpitz and scharn i acquired like an idiot when i was at tier 4-5 lol.

Recently the teams have been rubbish at any tier it seems though. But midway takes the cake fir me. I feel thete is nothing i can do to save a bad team. Even when i do 150k dmg and shur down the enemy CV we still lose.

For me the struggle with CVs start at tier 8.  it gets a lot harder then to be sure for me. Ans yes i definitely skipped more than i should. Less than 10 games in bayern lol. Used all my special xp camos on US CVs. Yeah.

But i feel like i improved... until hunt for bismarck and it took a nose dive.

 

[22cm]

 

Problem is that in games where you have BBs camping in the back and being the last to survive, they also tend to end up higher in the scoreboard because they live longer thus get to shoot more. However does that mean that they played good and that their team was bad?

 

 

Not really, in BBs you do more damage from close and personal, and that s why I also mentioned XP too, because I also do capping when playing BBs. When your damage and XP are decent but your WR is not, it s the teams you get that are a problem.

[eliastion]

 

It tells you that you do your part and don t expect to be carried by the team, and when you do your job and still have bad WR, it shows it s the teams fault.

 

No it doesn't. Dealing damage is just one of the things you're supposed to do and it's also crucial to do the damage where and when it counts. Looking at things class by class:

1. A BB that sits back, lets friendly cruisers take the hit and just farms damage, and then spends the last couple minutes of already lost battle running away and shooting at pursuers that want to get these last couple hits in to buff their own gains - such a BB player can score decent damage numbers but that doesn't mean he carried his weight.

2. A DD that keeps clear of dangerous cap zones, doesn't spot, doesn't use smoke for the team, never engages enemy DDs and just tries to torp enemy BBs all game long can get decent DMG numbers but failing at all the other tasks of a DD means that such a player, again, didn't carry his weight.

3. A cruiser that didn't help with AA, didn't use Radar (if equipped with one) and didn't bother shooting at DDs and scored most of her damage through (easily healed) fire on several random BBs in the distance - once again, average damage numbers don't mean average performance.

4. And we're left with CVs - and here it might be more visible than anywhere else. Only attacking BBs for the sweet, sweet big damage numbers? Never using planes to screen friendlies for torps, disrupt enemy strikes or to keep enemy DDs spotted? Many CV tasks - just as if not more crucial than pure damage - actually hinder the damage-dealing potential, because, say, leaving an empty DB squadron to keep some pesky DD spotted might save some friendly lives or get the DD in question killed, but that's still one less squadron to deal damage with. And man, have I seen games lost exactly because our CV played selfishly and left such a DD alone, leading to enemy capping and/or someone dying to torps not that long afterwards.

 

So no. Good damage doesn't mean you deserve good winrate. Of course these stats do correlate, even XP does correlate despite being mostly useless as a stat for anything (due to both questionable rewards assignment and Premium being included in the result). But while it's useful to look at stats and say "well, I have low DMG, perhaps I should think about ways to improve it", it just doesn't work the other way around. If you have good damage and poor win% over many battles, the correct question isn't "why do my teams suck so hard while I do well", it should be "what am I doing wrong that the damage I get doesn't result in victories".

[loppantorkel]

Not really, in BBs you do more damage from close and personal, and that s why I also mentioned XP too, because I also do capping when playing BBs. When your damage and XP are decent but your WR is not, it s the teams you get that are a problem.

In a small sample size this may be true, but likely not in a large. I checked your stats - it doesn't look like you're getting shafted by the MM.

[22cm]

Check warships.today, average damage and XP for the average WR for the ships in question, to see if it s you or the teams. 

I have ships with better damage and XP than the average, but worse than the average WR, and in this case it is indeed becauss of the teams I get.

 

Now, guys, you really make me quote myself, as you cant read well enough, I mentioned both damage and XP, XP because farming damage is not enough. Give me a break and read properly before you write.

[22cm]

In a small sample size this may be true, but likely not in a large. I checked your stats - it doesn't look like you're getting shafted by the MM.

 

The OP was complaining, not me...

[Ferry_25]

Looking at your stats I'd say you're doing quite ok. I've learned to accept the losing streaks are part of the deal. Everybody has those periods in suddenly you seem the worst player in de world and nothing is working. You have, almost, 1800 battles under your belt. That is quite a few but not very many as well. A losing streak will hit your WR% "harder" then when you have more battles. Coming back is also easier in the "lower-ish" numbers. And don't worry: WR is telling a small part of the whole story. My advice: when you're getting frustrated in a session. Just quit for a while. When frustrated you'll be bound to make more mistakes and thus increasing the frustration.

 

Shotly: losing streaks are part of the whole thing.

[eliastion]

Looking for advice. Since hitting high tiers and around the time rhe hunt for bismarck started my WR dropped from 52 to 49.

Especially my midway is awful at 20% after 63 games played. (I skipped essex to get a 10 to play with mates) i may be bad. But im not 20% bad.

Missouri i have fun in. Stats indicate im so bad in it.

GK 36%.

Etc

Lately the teams have been ultra awful or is it just me ? And at high tiers my teams usually camp and cower behind an island and take no caps, just wait to die.

 

Im not a total idiot in CVs either, I don't think. But midway i cannot get bloody wins in. Did i get to high tiers before being ready? Awful teams ? Both ?

 

The loss streaks have been so frustrating, or i wouldnt normally post.

 

I must say I'm a bit surprised by your impression of how you're doing. I mean, you certainly had some harsh times but from, say, last week (well, 8 days) you managed an over 54% winrate over 160+ battles. You seem to consistently struggle with cruisers (and that's a common thing, cruisers are pretty hard to play at the moment) but your BBs don't seem to be out of line for someone who's just learning his ropes in top tiers. The meta changes at top tiers, that can hurt.

Your stats indeed seem to imply you being very aggressive, your survival rates with BBs are pretty low, leading us to a question: are you, perhaps, TOO aggressive? It would seem like you're too eager to push forwards, leading to you overextending and not being able to retreat in time to use your heals and stay in the battle long enough. You deal some damage but BBs have one often-underestimated quality: presence. Cruisers fear BBs. BBs fear BBs. CVs see BBs as both targets and strong AA spots. If you die too early, your presence is gone.

Take my analysis here with a grain of salt, since I'm not a high tier BB player, the highest I am is Bismarck and I suck with her, mostly using her for "secondary hits" missions (further hurting my already sub-par skills with the vessel in question) but basically your stats seem to imply that you die too easily.

 

Now, as for CVs. I'd say you made a big mistake in skipping t9. I pllay only the IJN line but I remember the t8-t9 transition to be a big change. It was a welcome change for me, the game became easier rather than harder, but there was a big difference I couldn't really put my finger on... I'm not sure what deck you're flying, but since you speak of shutting down the enemy CV and have above average plane kills, it might be that you overestimate the extent to which you manage to put enemy CV out of the game. You see, even if you effectively protect your team, it's pretty unavoidable with a decent enemy that a couple strikes over the course of the battle are going to come through. Even if you ruin enemy CV match, you still need to inflict enough harm on the rest of the enemy team to outweigh these strikes you didn't manage to stop: and if you do, it still means that you just barely pulled your weight - to carry the team, you need to do more. It might also be that you are so focused on protecting your fleet that you don't manage to provide enough vision - and that's another very important task.

Finally, you need to take into account that tX is where many dedicated CV players live. Which is another reason why skipping t9 can hurt you.

The 20% WR - looking at your stats alone - is probably to some extent a result of bad luck. 63 battles shouldn't have luck as the crucial factor, but at this point each victory is still about 1,5% - so basically just getting one really bad streak of 10 defeats is what divides 20% player from 35% player with that sample size. Still, there seems to be something pretty bad going on, despite not-that-bad damage coupled with above average plane kills. It could be that you don't help your team enough agains DDs - I don't necessarily say "kill them" (although you have some tools to hurt them badly) but spot, scare off, spot their torps etc. That might be just what you lack to get more in line with expected Midway performance.

[eliastion]

 

Now, guys, you really make me quote myself, as you cant read well enough, I mentioned both damage and XP, XP because farming damage is not enough. Give me a break and read properly before you write.

 

XP is a useless statistic because of faulty reward system as well as the fact that it accounts for Premium bonus... Although the latter concern doesn't necessarily apply here. What matters, however, is the obvious problem with how it's awarded. The only thing it does filter out is "false" damage numbers scored by scraping paint off BBs - many crucial contributions are hardly, if at all, rewarded. The main source of XP remains the damage - it's nice that we're talking %damage this time rather than pure numbers, but this does nothing to fix the problem of other important things you should be doing beside dealing damage.

[Skurfa]

Looking for advice.

 

Good, now you've found both the page with your statistics and the forum....

 

Now go into your browser, and block the page with your statistics.... never ever return to it again....

 

Go back into the game, and have fun instead 

[RBay]

Ranger AS is underestimated. The skill of CV players at that tier is awful, its very easy. More than once, I killed enemy CV in ONE attack with my measly two dive bombers. Simple, bomb - repair - bomb - fire -dead. 

Also, people understimate the value of a fighter scouting rather than an empty bomber. And at those tier, literally shutting down enemy CV to the extent he only ever got  his first attack off, if that, is quite easy imho. And my two dive bombers can do more damage than that. Of all my ships, I did do pretty well in ranger. And saipan. And kaga However, that whole thing, for me, changes at tier 8+

[fallenkezef]

Ranger AS is underestimated. The skill of CV players at that tier is awful, its very easy. More than once, I killed enemy CV in ONE attack with my measly two dive bombers. Simple, bomb - repair - bomb - fire -dead. 

Also, people understimate the value of a fighter scouting rather than an empty bomber. And at those tier, literally shutting down enemy CV to the extent he only ever got  his first attack off, if that, is quite easy imho. And my two dive bombers can do more damage than that. Of all my ships, I did do pretty well in ranger. And saipan. And kaga However, that whole thing, for me, changes at tier 8+

 

Scouting fighters are my nightmare.

[Aotearas]

 

It tells you that you do your part and don t expect to be carried by the team, and when you do your job and still have bad WR, it shows it s the teams fault.

 

Average damage alone isn't an accurate stat though. Damage value isn't equal. 10k damage to DDs is much more valuable than 10k damage to a BB due to the HP disparity. Getting high average damage when you target mostly BBs isn't nearly as important as getting the same average damage on mostly cruisers and destroyers.

 

If you know what ships you tend to focus in the ship whose stats you're checking then you can compensate, but just loking at the raw numbers can be deceiving.

 

Context is everthing.

[22cm]

 

XP is a useless statistic because of faulty reward system as well as the fact that it accounts for Premium bonus... Although the latter concern doesn't necessarily apply here. What matters, however, is the obvious problem with how it's awarded. The only thing it does filter out is "false" damage numbers scored by scraping paint off BBs - many crucial contributions are hardly, if at all, rewarded. The main source of XP remains the damage - it's nice that we're talking %damage this time rather than pure numbers, but this does nothing to fix the problem of other important things you should be doing beside dealing damage.

You dont have other useful statistics than damage and XP, what do you suggest to use?